• Proof Russia has sent troops into Ukraine? - Vice News
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[QUOTE=karimatrix;46481745]That and we[B] ALSO[/B] getting full legal PMC. Just to make sure that when unofficial forces fail we can officialy use other official force but not soo official as army. This is a whole new definition to the [I]"just a tip"[/I] tactic.[/QUOTE] At least you don't deny it anymore, but I still find it disgusting that you support this
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46481817]At least you don't deny it anymore, but I still find it disgusting that you support this[/QUOTE] FFS where did i [B]EVER[/B] deny unofficial support? Please, find this post and quote it for me! I am serious! As for whenever i support it or not - as i said, in geopolitics, to [B]understand[/B] motives behind certain events you gotta stop thinking as a caring citizen, and attempt to grasp thnking of calculative cold blooded person, cause it's a kind of a person who is in charge of decisions that can affect nations. I am merely aknowledging goverment's perspective.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46481861]FFS where did i [B]EVER[/B] deny unofficial support? Please, find this post and quote it for me! I am serious! As for whenever i support it or not - as i said, in geopolitics, to [B]understand[/B] motives behind certain events you gotta stop thinking as a caring citizen, and attempt to grasp thnking of calculative cold blooded person, cause it's a kind of a person who is in charge of decisions that can affect nations. I am merely aknowledging goverment's perspective.[/QUOTE] I can actually hear Putin saying this
Do you think Russia should leave Ukraine entirely?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46481884]I can actually hear Putin saying this[/QUOTE] Soo i asked you to back your statement of me denying support and you just... ugh... But you know what, it's ok Poroshenko, you hear Putin everywhere nowadays, just take a deep breath, hide under your bedsheet, and Putin will go away.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46481929]Soo i asked you to back your statement of me denying support and you just... ugh... But you know what, it's ok Poroshenko, you hear Putin everywhere nowadays, just take a deep breath, hide under your bedsheet, and Putin will go away.[/QUOTE] Okay, you might have never denied their involvement, maybe I'm confusing you for someone else, but it still doesn't make your support for this hypocrisyfest less disgusting
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46482043]Okay, you might have never denied their involvement, maybe I'm confusing you for someone else, but it still doesn't make your support for this hypocrisyfest less disgusting[/QUOTE] Again, read pleeease - [QUOTE=karimatrix;46481861]FFS where did i [B]EVER[/B] deny unofficial support? Please, find this post and quote it for me! I am serious! As for whenever i support it or not - as i said, in geopolitics, to [B]understand[/B] motives behind certain events you gotta stop thinking as a caring citizen, and attempt to grasp thnking of calculative cold blooded person, cause it's a kind of a person who is in charge of decisions that can affect nations. I am merely aknowledging goverment's perspective.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]to [B]understand[/B] motives[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I am merely aknowledging goverment's perspective[/QUOTE] Seriously, if you expect me to just pounder my fist in anger i am not that kind of a person. Expecially in regards of modern politics. There is no definitive "good or evil" in this world and whatever side you choise is only yours decision since everyone have dirt and blood on their hands. Soo why should i get angry at goverment of my country at that case specifically, expecially when i completely understand motives for such behavior in a world where every country pursues their own agenda with variety of unfair tactics? Maybe i am just less emotionally impacted or simply do not care as much as i should. Maybe it's a bad thing, but i would not know difference.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46482104]Again, read pleeease - Seriously, if you expect me to just pounder my fist in anger i am not that kind of a person. Expecially in regards of modern politics. There is no definitive "good or evil" in this world and whatever side you choise is only yours decision since everyone have dirt and blood on their hands. Soo why should i get angry at goverment of my country at that case specifically, expecially when i completely understand motives for such behavior in a world where every country pursues their own agenda with variety of unfair tactics?[/QUOTE] Because Ukraine was always a peaceful country that did not pursue any agenda and Russians stabbed us in the back when they had the slightest opportunity. And to add insult to injury, your media paints every single Ukrainian as some sort of evil fascist now, and this is what most Russians actually believe these days Russia does seem a whole lot more evil than us, doesn't it?
This internet detective "let's examine the pictures" bullshit is so tiresome. It makes you all look like idiots.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46482215]Because Ukraine was always a peaceful country that did not pursue any agenda and Russians stabbed us in the back when they had the slightest opportunity. And to add insult to injury, your media paints every single Ukrainian as some sort of evil fascist now, and this is what most Russians actually believe these days Russia does seem a whole lot more evil than us, doesn't it?[/QUOTE] you literally spinned out my words and apparently disregarded my previus post. [QUOTE=karimatrix;46481561]Cause why not? Seriously, why everyone expects Russia to be soo charmingly caring about country that had no-block status for soo long but then suddenly flipped? When you go about geopolitics you gotta leave all the emotional crap aside to understand reasons for many actions, cause there is no place for "love and caring" in politics. An unofficial support was never denied, and Russian goverment knows about it, i wrote and i write about this soo many times - there are no idiots in goverments, everyone knows what they achieving. Unofficial support for rebels is a thorn up the ass that will ensure Ukraine won't crawl out of this mess, EU and NATO see Ukraine damaged, semi out of block status secured and Ukraine is too busy to even fucking try anything about Crimea. Black Sea is out of question, now to ensure no one to places rockets on it's gulf closer to Russia as it is. I really hope i was able to deliver my personal opinion on subject.[/QUOTE] Here you go, also, all your talks about "backstabing" only mean that you can't understand my point of view. soo let me put that in bold [B]POLITICS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY OR ANY OTHER BESIDES THE ONE THAT SUITS THEIR AGENDA[/B] and to grasp that you gotta, like i said, think without emotional whining, cause that is why i understand their methods and you don't! If you don't want to, don't, but then don't say that you find my stance disgusting - you can't even understand it to judge in a first place.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46482272]you literally spinned out my words and apparently disregarded my previus post. Here you go, also, all your talks about "backstabing" only mean that you can't understand my point of view. soo let me put that in bold [B]POLITICS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY OR ANY OTHER BESIDES THE ONE THAT SUITS THEIR AGENDA[/B] and to grasp that you gotta, like i said, think without emotional whining, cause that is why i understand their methods and you don't! If you don't want to, don't, but then don't say that you find my stance disgusting - you can't even understand it to judge in a first place.[/QUOTE] I understand it entirely, I know why they did it, and it's still disgusting If Ukraine made it its agenda to genocide all Russians, would that not be disgusting? It would definitely help Ukraine, surely it's okay then?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46482292]I understand it entirely, I know why they did it, and it's still disgusting If Ukraine made it its agenda to genocide all Russians, would that not be disgusting? It would definitely help Ukraine, surely it's okay then?[/QUOTE] I am sorry, are you implying there is genocide of Ukranians by Russians right now or is it just badly choses example? Cause as far as i remember DNR and DPR are like what, less then 10% of your territory? And to make sure - if you call genocide an unofficial rebelion support and land annexation you are free to try. I won't find that disgusting.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46482334]I am sorry, are you implying there is genocide of Ukranians by Russians right now or is it just badly choses example? Cause as far as i remember DNR and DPR are like what, less then 10% of your territory?[/QUOTE] War is not that far from genocide on the evil scale
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46482104] Maybe i am just less emotionally impacted or simply do not care as much as i should.[/QUOTE] Something is not matching here.. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/iE7djS1.png?1[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46482215]Because Ukraine was always a peaceful country that did not pursue any agenda and Russians stabbed us in the back when they had the slightest opportunity. And to add insult to injury, your media paints every single Ukrainian as some sort of evil fascist now, and this is what most Russians actually believe these days Russia does seem a whole lot more evil than us, doesn't it?[/QUOTE] Because Russia is good at propaganda, and good at silencing other voices. Some Russians support the Ukrainian government but you won't hear much about them. They paint you guys as fascist because they want to get people against your government by spreading lies, etc.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;46482403]Because Russia is good at propaganda, and good at silencing other voices. Some Russians support the Ukrainian government but you won't hear much about them. They paint you guys as fascist because they want to get people against your government by spreading lies, etc.[/QUOTE] Roughly half of my region believes that joining Russia would instantly raise their wages and living standart, so yeah.
Soo i try to expain reason for my lack of direct hatred toward modern governments by that i am capable of understanding reason behind methods and thinking of politicians who are in charge of decisions that might be not plausible to other countries and not should by definition since in modern world everyone for their own and all i get "Well if i would genocide your country how would that feel huh?" [QUOTE=Pilot1215;46482403]Because Russia is good at propaganda, and good at silencing other voices. Some Russians support the Ukrainian government but you won't hear much about them. They paint you guys as fascist because they want to get people against your government by spreading lies, etc.[/QUOTE] As if Ukranian Television doesn't do the same. Seriosly, there are levels of bullshit but they are not exclusive to our media.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46482456]Soo i try to expain reason for my lack of direct hatred toward modern governments by that i am capable of understanding reason behind methods and thinking of politicians who are in charge of decisions that might be not plausible to other countries and not should by definition since in modern world everyone for their own and all i get "Well if i would genocide your country how would that feel huh?"[/QUOTE] Understanding the reasoning is one thing, we all understand the reasoning. You always defend the way your country acts, and it is not acting very good. That is the only problem
you seem to be angry karimatrix maybe you should stop so blindly your country defending your country like a dog defending a t-bone steak
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46482456]Soo i try to expain reason for my lack of direct hatred toward modern governments by that i am capable of understanding reason behind methods and thinking of politicians who are in charge of decisions that might be not plausible to other countries and not should by definition since in modern world everyone for their own and all i get "Well if i would genocide your country how would that feel huh?"[/QUOTE] The thing is that your posts are literally ripped from propaganda agencies like Russia 24 or RT. P.S i think you missed a part about Putin's M N O G O H O D O V O C H K As
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46482478]Understanding the reasoning is one thing, we all understand the reasoning. You always defend the way your country acts, and it is not acting very good. That is the only problem[/QUOTE] Soo that's what it's all about. That i am not saying "Russia is bad". Well, here you go - Russia is bad for amount of corruption in police force, lack of political diversity, troubled healthcare spread, illegal immigration, ludacris amount of holes and contradictions in our citizen law, poor media culture, amount of alchohol and drugs, national tensions and resurce dependant economy. Here you go! And again, if you'd check my posts, you would see that i never denied existance of such problems and evne adressed them a few times! [QUOTE=SexualShark;46482482]you seem to be angry karimatrix maybe you should stop so blindly your country defending your country like a dog defending a t-bone steak[/QUOTE] A thread on FP can't anger me, concern, maybe but nothing to make me go mad. If it annoys you that i just do not back off from discussion you are always welcome to participate.
[QUOTE=ViPeRD;46482502]P.S i think you missed a part about Putin's M N O G O H O D O V O C H K As[/QUOTE] I'd rather you didn't use Russian imageboard memes here, no one can understand them around here and it might get you banned
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;46482512]I'd rather you didn't use Russian imageboard memes here, no one can understand them around here and it might get you banned[/QUOTE] lets just say it's an acronym
[QUOTE=karimatrix;46482511]Soo that's what it's all about. That i am not saying "Russia is bad". Well, here you go - Russia is bad for amount of corruption in police force, lack of political diversity, troubled healthcare spread, illegal immigration, ludacris amount of holes and contradictions in our citizen law, poor media culture, amount of alchohol and drugs, national tensions and resurce dependant economy. Here you go! And again, if you'd check my posts, you would see that i never denied existance of such problems and evne adressed them a few times![/QUOTE] These issues don't have much to do with the Ukrainian conflict
[QUOTE=ViPeRD;46482542]lets just say it's an acronym[/QUOTE] Lets just say you tried, here have a winner for attempt. [QUOTE=Laserbeams;46482546]These issues don't have much to do with the Ukrainian conflict[/QUOTE] Then i think you should rephphrase. The only thing that bothers you is that i am not saying "Russia is bad, Ukraine is a victim". Well again, same question - did i ever said that "Hey Ukraine, Annex of Crimea is good for your health!" Or did i proposed "Rebels go liberate all Ukraine, Rebel Ukraine, Better Ukraine!" No, i only expressed view of Russian goverment's perspective, since i live in Russia and i can filter through barrage of misinformation. Call it my immunity to russian propaganda if you want. Does it mean i deny it there damage to Ukraine? Heck no. We took your land and we unofficially supported rebels! It's bad... bad... [B]for you[/B] I hope now i was able to deliver my point on subject, and please, read posts before go with your accusations. I never called you brainwashed or nazi or whatever, neither did i ever called you to go grump to your goverment as far as i can tell.
What we have here is a thread full of differing opinions. If you don't agree with my XYZ opinion you're an idiot who deserves to step on a landmine.
glad to see you are using your unban wastefully [editline]13th November 2014[/editline] maybe you should spend more days in the rc
Karimatrix, what should the official policy of the Russian government be towards Ukraine? At present there are a cluster of unrecognized republics in the east of the country, while another province has been annexed. What should be done with them?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46482677]glad to see you are using your unban wastefully [editline]13th November 2014[/editline] maybe you should spend more days in the rc[/QUOTE] What are you trying to achieve with this post?
[QUOTE=laserguided;46482697]What are you trying to achieve with this post?[/QUOTE] What are you trying to achieve with misleading titles? [QUOTE=laserguided;46482702]Not directed at me but Russia should annex all the countries and declare Soviet Union complete.[/QUOTE] ^Quality post. [QUOTE]What are you trying to achieve with this post?[/QUOTE]
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