Bill to temporarily fund Homeland Security does not pass The House of Representatives, DHS to run ou
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[QUOTE=latin_geek;47228592]a sudden lack of people patrolling the borders would most likely result in increased illegal immigration and other, more severe criminal activity, not to mention all the other stuff that's under them.
I know people love to think US government agencies are just budget that could go to NASA instead but the DHS is pretty important. And you've also gotta remember that salaries are a huge chunk of the budget they get, that'd be a quarter of a million people with no salary all of a sudden.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly my point. Give the American people a real reason to sit up and take notice, and maybe fire every person in the House and Congress.
[QUOTE=Flash;47228589]Well my mom won't be getting paid it seems :([/QUOTE]
Sounds like we won't be furloughed for another week.
Payday is tomorrow for feds (at least with my bank it is, some of my coworkers get paid later in the week), so at least there's a whole two weeks after tomorrow for Congress to sort this out before we're in danger of not getting a paycheck on time.
I dunno if your mom is an essential employee or not, but last year those considered not essential who got furloughed were basically given a paid vacation only they didn't get paid until after the furlough. It's nice if you have some savings to rely on, but I feel bad for those living paycheck to paycheck like a couple of my friends, and of course Congress has to vote to approve to pay people for their lost wages during the furlough so it's not a guarantee.
[QUOTE=Saber15;47228511]The DHS also runs the Coast Guard and FEMA, which receive the majority of its funding.[/QUOTE]
Those bastards at the Plum Island Animal Disease Center had it coming.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;47228644]Those bastards at the Plum Island Animal Disease Center had it coming.[/QUOTE]
But all dat NASA money tho
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;47228339]As long as it burns with a Democrat as president to serve as a scapegoat they don't care.[/QUOTE]
Too right.
[QUOTE=woolio1;47228313]That's entirely the point. The Republican party does not represent the interests of the public. They do not represent the interests of their greater constituency. Their very foundation is to represent the corporate sector, to allow for greater freedom for businesses, lower taxes for industry, etc. None of this benefits the general population.
Which is why it's so very strange that their strongest constituency is the middle class. The party does nothing for them, but their "temporary embarrassed millionaires" mindset keeps them voting for a party that doesn't care about them.[/QUOTE]
Many middle class families don't believe they're middle class, though. A great deal, if I remember, actually honestly believe they're upper class when in reality they're not.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47228730]Many middle class families don't believe they're middle class, though. A great deal, if I remember, actually honestly believe they're upper class when in reality they're not.[/QUOTE]
They don't want to think of themselves as middle-class.
So, gullible egotists.
Who wants to bet they wont be able to make a long term funding deal by next week?
Congress is fucking broken and we can blame the Republicans and the Tea Party.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47228131]DHS workers ought to just walk off the job. Fuck working without pay. And maybe a sudden lack of the people patrolling the borders and keeping the system running will get Americans angry enough to put the Republican party down like the rabid dog it is and open the way for new parties.[/QUOTE]
I'm crossing the border next week, can't wait to see if CBP still has that drug sniffing dog and x-raying everyones coats.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47229121]I'm crossing the border next week, can't wait to see if CBP still has that drug sniffing dog and x-raying everyones coats.[/QUOTE]
Yes. They'll be there. They're emergency response personnel, they are required to report to work during a shutdown, you know this full well when you take the job. You still get paid, so its not too big a deal if you have savings to rely on for a week or two.
The biggest downside is not being to take leave during a furlough because the employee's who process your leave requests aren't there.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47228498]Fox News is a dinosaur. Nobody who watches it and takes it seriously is considered entirely rational by most Americans and most non-Americans, and the GOP's politicians in the USA are the laughing stock of the entire civilized world.[/QUOTE]
But here's the thing you must remember: They may not be considered rational by most Americans/non-Americans (couldn't we have just said "most people"? Damned bi-partisan global politics...), but they still have voting power.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;47229121]I'm crossing the border next week, can't wait to see if CBP still has that drug sniffing dog and x-raying everyones coats.[/QUOTE]
They will. Just because DHS doesnt have funding does not mean that all employees disappear. If you are considered essential you are required to show up to work without a paycheck -- until they get funding again.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47231808]They will. Just because DHS doesnt have funding does not mean that all employees disappear. If you are considered essential you are required to show up to work without a paycheck -- until they get funding again.[/QUOTE]
but they can't expect that to work out for the long term - terrorists don't wait politely in single file for you to get back on your feet before they resume blowing up hospitals, but if their paychecks aren't being honoured they'll have to survive on whatever assets they have. i don't know how long i'd be able to buy bread and Tide with my bank account if i was in that situation but i doubt they could pay their bills if they're furloughed for more than six months.
[QUOTE=Ivef;47228042]They were joined by nearly all Democrats, who opposed the measure because it doesn't keep DHS open through the end of the fiscal year.[/QUOTE]
I love how all of you on Facepunch ignore the facts just so you can rant about shitty conservatives. Both parties suck, and denying an organization funding is a legitimate way of getting shit done in politics. None of you seem to know what the fuck you're talking about.
Before you judge me with your 2 sided view on things, I'm not a Republican or a Democrat.
[QUOTE=_jesterk;47232328]but they can't expect that to work out for the long term - terrorists don't wait politely in single file for you to get back on your feet before they resume blowing up hospitals, but if their paychecks aren't being honoured they'll have to survive on whatever assets they have. i don't know how long i'd be able to buy bread and Tide with my bank account if i was in that situation but i doubt they could pay their bills if they're furloughed for more than six months.[/QUOTE]
I've been told that some federal credit unions will give out loans equal to paychecks to cover the time lost. When they do get their backpay, it just goes to the bank instead of their wallets.
Conversely, some people opt just not to show up. Because fuck working without a paycheck.
[QUOTE=space1;47232387]I love how all of you on Facepunch ignore the facts just so you can rant about shitty conservatives. Both parties suck, and denying an organization funding is a legitimate way of getting shit done in politics. None of you seem to know what the fuck you're talking about.
Before you judge me with your 2 sided view on things, I'm not a Republican or a Democrat.[/QUOTE]
Don't waste your breath. These same people would blame republicans for not signing a democrat bill that funded the BATF, but included gun control language. People here have the "I wish people who disagreed with me didn't have a voice in their own government" way of thinking.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47232419]I've been told that some federal credit unions will give out loans equal to paychecks to cover the time lost. When they do get their backpay, it just goes to the bank instead of their wallets.
Conversely, some people opt just not to show up. Because fuck working without a paycheck.[/QUOTE]
You won't have a job if you don't show up during a furlough. You can't take leave and you are required to report to work.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47228131]DHS workers ought to just walk off the job. Fuck working without pay. And maybe a sudden lack of the people patrolling the borders and keeping the system running will get Americans angry enough to put the Republican party down like the rabid dog it is and open the way for new parties.[/QUOTE]
Except the alternatives are even further right than the Republicans, in the form of the Libertarian Party ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_crew]skeleton government[/url]) and the Constitution Party (theocratic far-right). But perhaps the closest match is just to the left a bit, that's right, the centre-right Democratic Party.
defunding an agency because you disagree with a lawful presidential order is like blowing up your front yard because you are tired of mowing the grass
[QUOTE=Ta16;47228073]The fuck does that have to do with DHS?[/QUOTE]
Nothing. Instead of having a vote, passing/rejecting the notion, and then that notion going into law, or not, like a fucking democracy, the majority is just straight up voting No on other things unless they get their way with something else.
They did this when the government shut down about Obamacare. Obamacare passed and was to become law. But when it came time to vote to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a government shutdown, they said unless Obamacare is repealed we won't raise the debt ceiling. So the government shut down for two weeks. This was worse than what they're doing now. They were literally holding the country hostage with a ransom demand and all, and the only person who could actually call a vote for something was a single republican guy who refused
They still didn't get their way, though. Fuck'em
[QUOTE=TheTalon;47239158]Nothing. Instead of having a vote, passing/rejecting the notion, and then that notion going into law, or not, like a fucking democracy, the majority is just straight up voting No on other things unless they get their way with something else.
They did this when the government shut down about Obamacare. Obamacare passed and was to become law. But when it came time to vote to raise the debt ceiling to avoid a government shutdown, they said unless Obamacare is repealed we won't raise the debt ceiling. So the government shut down for two weeks. This was worse than what they're doing now. They were literally holding the country hostage with a ransom demand and all, and the only person who could actually call a vote for something was a single republican guy who refused
They still didn't get their way, though. Fuck'em[/QUOTE]
This shows a complete lack of understanding- both of politics and how the house and senate work.
So if you don't vote through whatever funding bill is in front of you its your fault? How about not waiting until the very last moment?
And only one guy can call a vote? Really? Since when...
Tl/dr one side is made at the other/ and visa versa. This is not exactly surprising.
I sure am glad Facepunch is full of comfortable middle-to-upper-class teenagers ready to tell me all about how useless DHS is and how good it is that they're about to run out of funding.
Meanwhile in West Virginia, there are thousands of people who might like to share a contrary opinion but can't, because their power has been out for days or even weeks, while FEMA officers like my mother have been working overtime to provide response and get services back up. Now they're facing the looming threat of being left out to dry because petty political bickering could shut down the agency.
But hey, fuck DHS because of TSA, right? Never mind that TSA isn't even 12% of DHS's budget.
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Oh, and for the record:
[QUOTE=Ta16;47228073]The fuck does that have to do with DHS?[/QUOTE]
US Customs and Border Protection and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement are both under DHS. Surprise, DHS is more than just TSA. In fact, CBP alone has almost double the funding of TSA.
Border protection and immigration policy is written into the yearly budget, since the budget defines the scope of operations for any given agency. If one party in Congress doesn't like the way money is being allocated for the fiscal year, they reject the budget. In this case the Republicans don't like the way the budget is handling immigration.
If the house of represenatives is republican majority, doesnt this mean republicans voted against it too?
[QUOTE=bitches;47228065]Republicans shutting down the government funds, again, because they can't force in bullshit, again.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure we're supposed to be blaming the minority party, like last time.
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[QUOTE=Fort83;47228201]It's like the Republican party wants the United States to burn. How very un-American[/QUOTE]
The US survived 225 years without it's people getting their crotch fondled by government workers, I don't think this will be the end of it.
[QUOTE=DJrorok;47241458]If the house of represenatives is republican majority, doesnt this mean republicans voted against it too?[/QUOTE]
No, what happened was the republican house passed a budget bill with a tacked on rider nullifying Obamas immigration actions, as a result the senate which lacks a filibuster proof majority is not passing the budget (unless the republicans use the nuclear option and strip filibusters from budgets) so unless the republican house can send the senate a clean bill which is lacking the immigration rider, the dhs is shuttering. Now the house is filled with a bunch of tea parties who love the sight of big gubment sitting down and probably will sit around while republican leaders scramble to keep the ship afloat and in the end they'll pass some 2-3 month funding bill and kick the can down the road
not to sound bleak but it just hit me that they managed to negotiate that DHS employees will continue to get their pay in full for one week - what happens then? i keep imagining that this right here is the hiccup before the sudden collapse of the entire agency.
while we're on the subject of budgets though, i seriously doubt the petrodollar will just 'crash' like an 88 year old woman who took the second-to-last stair too fast but i agree with some of what i've read, that we're seeing it decline to be usurped in the near future by euros and yen. that's the problem with having such close economic ties with your neighbour, when their economy goes yours usually goes with it.
[QUOTE=_jesterk;47241497]not to sound bleak but it just hit me that they managed to negotiate that DHS employees will continue to get their pay in full for one week - what happens then? i keep imagining that this right here is the hiccup before the sudden collapse of the entire agency.
while we're on the subject of budgets though, i seriously doubt the petrodollar will just 'crash' like an 88 year old woman who took the second-to-last stair too fast but i agree with some of what i've read, that we're seeing it decline to be usurped in the near future by euros and yen. that's the problem with having such close economic ties with your neighbour, when their economy goes yours usually goes with it.[/QUOTE]
No funding, no pay. End of story. If they keep fucking doing 1 week extensions, then that's how it will be, the Republicans will get fucked in the ass on the news until they pass a clean funding bill.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;47241871]No funding, no pay. End of story. If they keep fucking doing 1 week extensions, then that's how it will be, the Republicans will get fucked in the ass on the news until they pass a clean funding bill.[/QUOTE]
The Republicans already get thrashed in the news sand Fox anyway, so that shouldn't worry them too badly. However, it is interesting how they were responsible for a shutdown in 2013 and the next year won a historic victory.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;47242326]The Republicans already get thrashed in the news sand Fox anyway, so that shouldn't worry them too badly. However, it is interesting how they were responsible for a shutdown in 2013 and the next year won a historic victory.[/QUOTE]
Fox News will collectively loose their shit if DHS shuts down because 50 republicans would not vote yes.
Of course they will spin it saying its all the Democrats fault (even though the republicans have enough of a majority to pass it normally) but loose their shit they will.
The House Republican Whip is shit also. Cant even count properly OR whip people into line.
As for the 2014 win, non presidential voting years always have low dem turnout. Add in the horribly gerrymandered districts EVERYWHERE and you get what we are in now. Democrats are trying to flip the tables on the Republicans for 2020 when districts are redrawn by getting as many seats as possible so they can get districts in their favor but this is a horrible cycle that should just be destroyed and lines be drawn evenly instead of this shit:
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[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;47240435]This shows a complete lack of understanding- both of politics and how the house and senate work.
So if you don't vote through whatever funding bill is in front of you its your fault? How about not waiting until the very last moment?
And only one guy can call a vote? Really? Since when...
Tl/dr one side is made at the other/ and visa versa. This is not exactly surprising.[/QUOTE]
Any motion pursuant to clause 4 of rule XXII relating to House Joint Resolution 59 may be offered only by the Majority Leader or his designee. Resolution 59 was the bill to fund the government, basically. And he was hell bent on not doing it until Obamacare was defunded and being pressured by other republicans to do this. The really funny and sick part about this is, just before this happened, the ability for anyone in the house to call a vote was taken away and that power was given exclusively to the majority leader.
Fucked up, no?
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