• Russia reveals giant nuclear torpedo in state TV 'leak'
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Tactical is one thing, its a fucking cobalt bomb, that's just unacceptable even for nuclear war
[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49102727]Wouldnt Russia as it is now be considered de facto facist? Serious question.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;49103089]We are not making ourselves better than other races, if you are talking about broad meaning of fascism. If you meant the original one, untainted by Hitler... We are still kinda far.[/QUOTE] The quote above captures none of what Fascism [I]is.[/I] Yes, it is entirely justifiable to argue that Russia is a de facto fascist power currently. There is a single major party which controls and directs state efforts on multiple levels, a single ethno-cultural/national group are favored time and again in legislation and direction of government efforts, legislation is directed more towards the promotion and strengthening of 'the state' in order to 'raise the level' for the common people without making granular/low level efforts to improve those conditions, and political power and authority which are derived principally by force rather than will of the people or will of law. The only 'real' elements missing are the trappings of fascism like war for the sake of conquest/honor, total state control of social and political spheres, and justification of authority purely by power.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49103231] The only 'real' elements missing are the trappings of fascism like war for the sake of conquest/honor[/QUOTE] Dunno, Crimea and Georgia got them some conquest goin'.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;49102077]A nuclear torpedo? Thats a new one[/QUOTE] I love how you are being sarcastic yet everyone else is taking you seriously. lol
[QUOTE=Riller;49103272]Dunno, Crimea and Georgia got them some conquest goin'.[/QUOTE] Ostensibly (read, thinly veiled pretext) those operations are humanitarian in nature, to support the freedom and independence of the oppressed. This is always the case with so-called Fascist groups or organizations though. It is much easier to identify them long after the fact, once the pretenses come off. Currently though, it would be fair [B]but ridiculous[/B] to argue that Russia really is interested in the freedom to self-express by those regions, and it's entirely coincidental that those self-expressions support and favor Russia.
[QUOTE=Faunze;49102191]Dear World Superpowers. Please stop fucking with the future of humanity, your dick waving is not worth reversing the progress we have made as a species, and the poor animals that have to deal with our shit on a regular basis need a break from mass death and destruction. Please put your dicks back in your trousers, and make things better for all. Kind regards, Concerned Human[/QUOTE] TPP passed, and the US congress is now discussing space becoming commercial. The sooner you accept nihilism, the sooner you grow more comfortable with the end.
Russia right now: [video=youtube;9HilyOLWzrM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HilyOLWzrM[/video]
[QUOTE=Medevila;49104129]you act like either of those were either bad or non-inevitable[/QUOTE] Nuclear war is non-inevitable. Same effect, different cause.
[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;49104174]Nuclear war is non-inevitable. Same effect, different cause.[/QUOTE] On what basis do you make this claim? It has been put to the absolute brink, as in just-need-a-serviceman-to-push-a-button a handful of times, and every single time, they've refused.
[QUOTE=Riller;49104245]On what basis do you make this claim? It has been put to the absolute brink, as in just-need-a-serviceman-to-push-a-button a handful of times, and every single time, they've refused.[/QUOTE] That's like assuming the Weimar will never fail, or the Mongol hordes will never end. It's all dice rolls, and we as a species only matter on chance itself to survive. Do you know how likely it is a black hole will form any second from now?
[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;49104259]Do you know how likely it is a black hole will form any second from now?[/QUOTE] If we define 'any second' to be between 0 and 59 seconds from this moment (beyond which it would be any minute), and we need this black hole to be close enough to earth to have a destructive effect on our lives, I think the chance is so small that you basically could not rearrange all the matter in the universe into the pure binary on's and off's it would take to create the amount of zeroes needing to follow my zero point zero before we get to a one.
[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;49104259] It's all dice rolls, and we as a species only matter on chance itself to survive. Do you know how likely it is a black hole will form any second from now?[/QUOTE] Uuuh, very unlikely actually, at least very unlikely for one to form in the earth proximity.
[QUOTE=residualgrub;49102956]Come on guys I know Fallout 4 was just released but I want to play it not live it.[/QUOTE] Dur hur hur, because video games references. This talk about a Colbat bomb is serious as that kind of thing could legit make us all go extinct.
[QUOTE=Medevila;49105234]I think that's pretty funny, we're as stable as we've ever been post-WWII[/QUOTE] That, I would say, is a modified truth. Sure, we certainly are more stable than we were during the cold war, but still a lot less so than we were post-iron-curtain, pre-9/11.
[QUOTE=OvB;49102622]Whoa. I'm leaning towards the idea that this leak was intentional.[/QUOTE] Most likely. The only way for nuclear deterrence to work is if the other side knows you have them. I wouldn't be surprised if it never leaves the planning stage and was just "leaked" to make it seem like they have more nuclear capabilities than they have. The whole reason they're seemingly developing a new nuclear torpedo is because of NATO's proposed missile defense system that Russia always throws a shitfit about.
Meh, a flimsy scare tactic at best. A weapon of this design is hideously impractical. It looks and sounds scary but most people are probably laughing at this thing.
[QUOTE=OvB;49102622]Whoa. I'm leaning towards the idea that this leak was intentional.[/QUOTE] It would have to be. The only purpose of such a weapon is to use it as a threat. To keep such a weapon a secret would defeat the objective. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Medevila;49105417]well no crap but the near decade of "peace" (which it really wasn't if you're familiar with the 90's) and unquestioned, unchallenged US dominance was bound to end[/QUOTE] I'm glad the US will be opposed in future. I hoped it would be Europe to stand up (not to fight but to just be able to say to them "stop invading/interfering/making things worse for people") and expected it would be China. Russia seems too... economically weak to really be much of a challenge. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49106370]Meh, a flimsy scare tactic at best. A weapon of this design is hideously impractical. It looks and sounds scary but most people are probably laughing at this thing.[/QUOTE] The whole submarine thing means it will be hard to detect and counter. the whole pollution thing means if it is use it will just ruin a large area for a very long time. They don't intend to ever fire it but having it means they have a really nasty thing which is hard to counter, making them safe from conventional/nuclear attacks. I think they've done this to keep the status quo MAD scenario thing going. USA builds missile bases to defend against nukes, MIRV could theoretically be countered by a similar active defence system; but its bloody hard to counter a torpedo being launched for somewhere unknown in the sea.
[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;49102388]I highly, HIGHLY, doubt a communist country that controls everything everyone sees, fucked up bad enough so that top secret military documents were aired saying it was an "accident" and that "it wont happen again".[/QUOTE] Russia is a communsit country? Hahaha good luck proving that point. Also there were so many leaks during the Ukrainian crysis where Russians aired the rebels shooting from civillian houses that it's not even unrealistic. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] But yeah the leak is intentional
[QUOTE=Twistai;49102323]Not even close to being anything new. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov[/URL][/QUOTE] Mind you, most nuclear submarines carry nuclear ICBMs rather than torps. (though many are actually launched from the torpedo tube) A nuclear torpedo would mean the sub has to get much much closer, but the device would be much much harder to shoot down. As to why it's a low yield long half time weapon - it's due to the economic nature of it. It means it completely turns of the area in question and it can't even be rebuilt for a very long time.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;49108741]Mind you, most nuclear submarines carry nuclear ICBMs rather than torps. (though many are actually launched from the torpedo tube) [/QUOTE] Smaller missiles like tomahawks can be launched through torpedo tubes, and there's nuclear variants of tomahawks, but they aren't ICBMs. No actual ICBM can be launched through a torpedo tube, ICBMs are much larger than torpedos. Also, modern torpedoes have some insanely long ranges on them, often carrying their own sonar and navigation suites for hundred-plus mile cruises. They aren't just much harder to intercept, they're pretty much impossible to intercept except at extremely close ranges (nullified by the nuclear nature of the warhead). Torpedoes are a bitch.
I kind of doubt they've actually built it. It seems to me like they just thought of the scariest thing they could and then put it out there to scare people. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than actually building the damn thing and serves the same purpose.
[QUOTE=piddlezmcfuz;49102939]You'd think so based on the ideals of governance, but just observing how governments actually work, even in democracies and republics, you will see that they do not, in fact, represent the people. It's all idealist circlejerking and money that run politics. Not the people. Before I get too Chomsky up in here let me say that at least we get the opportunity to vote for which psycho (out of two) gets to make poor decisions for us [editline]12th November 2015[/editline] Actually I already went full Chomsky oops Pls forgive me for the inevitable derailment[/QUOTE] I haven't read Chomsky. I am however aware of his book concerning consent. I am also knowledgeable about propaganda and cults. I have my own theories and yes they do conclude its all the people's fault.
[QUOTE=Faunze;49102191]Dear World Superpowers. Please stop fucking with the future of humanity, your dick waving is not worth reversing the progress we have made as a species, and the poor animals that have to deal with our shit on a regular basis need a break from mass death and destruction. Please put your dicks back in your trousers, and make things better for all. Kind regards, Concerned Human[/QUOTE] Nukes are a useful to have because of the fear of nuclear war aren't they?
[URL="http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/11/russia-we-didnt-mean-show-everyone-our-massive-new-nuclear-torpedo/123635/"]http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/11/russia-we-didnt-mean-show-everyone-our-massive-new-nuclear-torpedo/123635/ [/URL][QUOTE]Russia: We Didn’t Mean to Show Everyone Our Massive New Nuclear Torpedo After airing images on two state-run TV stations, Putin's spokesman said in the future, authorities would 'undoubtedly take preventive measures so this does not happen again.' [/QUOTE] I-It's not like I wanted to show you my massive new nuke. B-baka.
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