• Trump announces ban on transgender people in U.S. military
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[QUOTE=myon;52508471]You know, [I]them.[/I] [I]Those people.[/I] [I]The enemy.[/I][/QUOTE] The Aliens? The Brown People? What does Trump think is the enemy of the state? I have no idea.
Now, I wonder where all the people here who insisted that trump was an lgbt friendly president are. Perhaps some would like to come out and apologize now that they see the blatant truth? Or are they going ignore this thread and stick their heads deeper into the sand?
[QUOTE=windows098;52508476]I had people yelling down my neck about how he was going to be LGBT, even people who were going out with trans folk were talking about how LGBT he is. Fuck this transphobic asshole.[/QUOTE] Every time this happens I can't help but think of good ol' Pvt. Martin who vehemently defended Trump because he was the most LGBT presidential candidate ever. Then again, Martin was pretty sheltered and probably didn't know better, which sums up a good portion of Trump's voters.
If Mattis doesn't support this, and I assume he won't, then there goes the majority of Trumps supporter base.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;52508495]If Mattis doesn't support this, and I assume he won't, then there goes the majority of Trumps supporter base.[/QUOTE] I expect he'll do a Mccain and toe the party line and keep any reservations he has to himself.
Look at the bright side: we'll have the country to ourselves when Trump drafts all the cis people to die in north korea/syria/iran
[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;52508448]So apparently nor the press office or Pentagon knew this before hand. Good lord, he IS dumb.[/QUOTE] This indicates it was probably Trump just coming up with it in the spur of the moment, or it's a distraction technique to pull attention away from Kushner and Manafort's hearings before the Senate Intelligence Committee about Trump-Russia this week. It wouldn't surprise me if he's doing this just because he wants to feel like he has power and can actually do things as President. He signed a whole bunch of executive orders, some of which he didn't even read, and most either don't define anything specific to be executed or were held up in court, and the Republican-dominated Congress has spent months failing to decide how badly it wants to fuck over America's health system. The government hasn't [I]done[/I] anything for a few months except pass a bipartisan near-unanimous bill up to him that says the sanctions he took off of Russia are back on and Congress has to approve anything he tries to do to change Russia's sanctions, pretty much daring him to veto it.
So if this comes to pass will all transgender people currently serving be kicked out? I dont think the military will stand for that.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52508540]This indicates it was probably Trump just coming up with it in the spur of the moment, or it's a distraction technique to pull attention away from Kushner and Manafort's hearings before the Senate Intelligence Committee about Trump-Russia this week. It wouldn't surprise me if he's doing this just because he wants to feel like he has power and can actually do things as President.[/QUOTE] i wonder if Trump has ever hurt a small animal?
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;52508488]The missive comes after Trump's defense secretary, retired Gen. James Mattis, delayed the implementation of the plan to accept transgender troops by six months. The decision came one day before the deadline for the military to update its medical standards to accommodate transgender service members.[/QUOTE] I saw that, that doesn't shed any light on this. All that says is "we don't have a plan, we're not making a decision yet, wait another 6 months" If literally nobody knew he was going to make this decision final today, then I want to know Mattis' thoughts on this. [QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52508499]I expect he'll do a Mccain and toe the party line and keep any reservations he has to himself.[/QUOTE] Mattis' displeasure at trump's stupidity is well known and he's quickly losing patience with him and rumors have circulated that he'll resign if this shit continues.
If you think Mattis isnt going to bend the knee to whatever God Emperor Trump wants, you've been fooled by the cult of personality
[QUOTE=Kyle902;52508547]So if this comes to pass will all transgender people currently serving be kicked out? I dont think the military will stand for that.[/QUOTE] I'd suspect that. Basically back to Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
This guy seriously has dementia with how he changes his opinions.
Good. The military isn't designed to cater to your specific needs.
[QUOTE=fredstin;52508600]Good. The military isn't designed to cater to your special needs.[/QUOTE] What? This makes no sense. It's not about special needs. It's about allowing a person to serve their country, regardless of their sexuality or whether, in this specific case, they're trans or not.
[QUOTE=fredstin;52508600]Good. The military isn't designed to cater to your special needs.[/QUOTE] Way to completely miss the point.
[QUOTE=fredstin;52508600]Good. The military isn't designed to cater to your special needs.[/QUOTE] What? To my knowledge people join the military in order to serve, not to have their "special needs" catered to.
[QUOTE=fredstin;52508600]Good. The military isn't designed to cater to your specific needs.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Killuah;52508594]This guy seriously has dementia with how he changes his opinions.[/QUOTE] He's never changed his opinion. He's just been lying through his teeth from the very beginning and a portion of the population actually believed him.
[QUOTE=myon;52508408]I can understand preventing transgender soldiers if they are currently in hormone therapy as it from what I've seen and been told mess with their mood and stability. However, pre and post op, there should be no fucking issue with and individuals should be judged on the same basis as anyone else. Fucking shite, Trump. Go pee your pants.[/QUOTE] even worse, this will probably be used to remove vets from the system much like don't ask don't tell did, so fucking our veterans even more.
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Worth mentioning that Mattis delayed implementation of transgender recruits by six months and is currently on vacation. The Pentagon is referring inquiries to the White House. Its possible Trump did this completely unilaterally, maybe in a bid to shore up his most devoted base.
My parents knew a lesbian transgender couple (both M to F, who were both gay before they both transitioned) in the Canadian military who had the military pay for their transitions when they served [i]in the 1980s.[/i] America is literally regressing 30 years with this decision.
The U.S. Military doesn't allow people with mental illnesses to enlist so I don't see how this this any different [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - icemaz))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of fredstin22 - Using this alt to troll" - icemaz))[/highlight]
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[QUOTE=fredstin;52508649]The U.S. Military doesn't allow people with mental illnesses to enlist so I don't see how this this any different[/QUOTE] And boom you've made sure no one here is going to take you seriously. Good job. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Don't reply to obvious trolls" - icemaz))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=fredstin;52508649]The U.S. Military doesn't allow people with mental illnesses to enlist so I don't see how this this any different[/QUOTE] Being transgender isnt a mental illness nor does it significantly impair you if treated lroperly. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Don't reply to obvious trolls" - icemaz))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=fredstin;52508600]Good. The military isn't designed to cater to your specific needs.[/QUOTE] The military caters to the special needs of those serving. I'm sure yours does as well. [QUOTE=fredstin;52508649]The U.S. Military doesn't allow people with mental illnesses to enlist so I don't see how this this any different[/QUOTE] Yes they do. Trans people aren't categorized as having a mental illness so its completely different. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Don't reply to obvious trolls" - icemaz))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=fredstin;52508600]Good. The military isn't designed to cater to your specific needs.[/QUOTE] ...did you rate your own post on your gold alt as a defense against its unpopularness?
[QUOTE=fredstin;52508649]The U.S. Military doesn't allow people with mental illnesses to enlist so I don't see how this this any different[/QUOTE] Suddenly I cant take what you say seriously and I dont know why. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Don't reply to obvious trolls" - icemaz))[/highlight]
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