• Trump announces ban on transgender people in U.S. military
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Whats wrong with being a draft dodger
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52508998]Whats wrong with being a draft dodger[/QUOTE] Holy shit...
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52508998]Whats wrong with being a draft dodger[/QUOTE] So this is the angle you're going with..... interesting....
There is nothing wrong with being a draft dodger but thats completely irrelevant to trump's actions as president
[QUOTE=proboardslol;52508397]Donald Trump was elected on 100% cultural lines. Nobody voting for him gave a shit about economics or healthcare; this election was entirely about LGBT people, Muslims, Latinos, Blacks, liberals, young people.[/QUOTE] Really, you're going to say that, you are so incredibly wrong to dismiss the centre voters. If you're dismissing economic voters as just another bunch of anti-progressives, say welcome to term 2 of Trump. This painting every Trump supporter as part of this extreme faction is going too far.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52508998]Whats wrong with being a draft dodger[/QUOTE] Nothing, nominally, but being a chickenhawk is wrong.
Not like i would want to serve in trump's military anyway. The US military is all about defending the right to let people express anything you want and if you can't do that in your own ranks then what the fuck is the point
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52508998]Whats wrong with being a draft dodger[/QUOTE] Really the issue is that he never served in the military
It's time to say it: if you voted for Donald Trump believing he'd be a friend to the LGBT community, you should probably sit down and consider that you're not the most perceptive motherfucker around.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52509029]Really the issue is that he never served in the military[/QUOTE] Neither did Obama or Clinton? Whats the issue. Mil service isnt a prerequisite to the office.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52509046]Neither did Obama or Clinton? Whats the issue. Mil service isnt a prerequisite to the office.[/QUOTE] How do you feel about this ban itself
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;52509050]How do you feel about this ban itself[/QUOTE] Reserving judgement until after todays press conference where Im hoping they go into greater detail about why theyre doing it. Razzums post in this thread brings up some good points but if they dont then no I wouldnt support it.
There's something going on here. [url]https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=80124D36-EF8B-4CBD-A75A-9C6C697CA235[/url] [editline]26th July 2017[/editline] McCain has released a statement in support of transpeople and said Trump made a mistake announcing via Twitter as it was unclear.
[QUOTE=Cone;52508552]i wonder if Trump has ever hurt a small animal?[/QUOTE] Come to think of it, I don't think he has any pets. Not that I'd trust him with anything more complex than a fern.
[QUOTE=Solomon;52509073]There's something going on here. [url]https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=80124D36-EF8B-4CBD-A75A-9C6C697CA235[/url] [editline]26th July 2017[/editline] McCain has released a statement in support of transpeople and said Trump made a mistake announcing via Twitter as it was unclear.[/QUOTE] [quote]“The President’s tweet this morning regarding transgender Americans in the military is yet another example of why major policy announcements should not be made via Twitter."[/QUOTE] They need someone whos job is to look at his tweets before they go through.
Make the guillotine red again.
He really needs to stop the twitter shit.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52509046]Neither did Obama or Clinton? Whats the issue. Mil service isnt a prerequisite to the office.[/QUOTE] Yeah but he fucking talked to the Pentagon about shit like this
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52508998]Whats wrong with being a draft dodger[/QUOTE] Well normally not much unless you're any of the following: 1. A hot headed warhawk 2. The Commander In Chief of the US Armed Forces 3. both of the above 4. A few other things that are probably applicable to this conversation but I'm not investing that much time into making a list considering I'm sure you're just being intentionally obtuse. I served, I get it, I respect anyone who can't handle it for getting out of it on the level of knowing their limits and keeping those of us who can from suffering due to them probably having a mental breakdown and becoming absolutely useless the second anyone starts actually shooting at them. But I have zero fucking respect for anyone who goes on to be a fucking warhawk scumbag post-fact. I have even less respect for braggadocious scumfucks like Ted Nugent. If you're a warhawk you should be forced to put on boots and get fucking marching before your opinion is at all valid in my eyes.
[QUOTE=Solomon;52509073]There's something going on here. [url]https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=80124D36-EF8B-4CBD-A75A-9C6C697CA235[/url] [editline]26th July 2017[/editline] McCain has released a statement in support of transpeople and said Trump made a mistake announcing via Twitter as it was unclear.[/QUOTE] Trump does terrible shit, McCain remains "deeply concerned" but votes along with whatever his party wants anyway. No, strikes me as business as fucking usual.
[QUOTE=Solomon;52509073]There's something going on here. [url]https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=80124D36-EF8B-4CBD-A75A-9C6C697CA235[/url] [editline]26th July 2017[/editline] McCain has released a statement in support of transpeople and said Trump made a mistake announcing via Twitter as it was unclear.[/QUOTE] I literally couldn't care less what McCain says at this point tbh. Not that you shouldn't have posted it lol. Just that he sucks.
[QUOTE=Pascall;52509158]I literally couldn't care less what McCain says at this point tbh. Not that you shouldn't have posted it lol. Just that he sucks.[/QUOTE] You should prolly read it. It goes into detail about what the DoD is actually doing regarding trans.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52509068]Reserving judgement until after todays press conference where Im hoping they go into greater detail about why theyre doing it. Razzums post in this thread brings up some good points but if they dont then no I wouldnt support it.[/QUOTE] while depression and anxiety rates are higher in the trans community than is the cis community, that is not sufficient cause to prevent all trans people from serving at all. The black community in the US has higher rates of depression than does the white community, yet we do not ban black citizens from serving. Why is the trans community different?
[QUOTE=-nesto-;52508998]Whats wrong with being a draft dodger[/QUOTE] It's not the draft dodger part that's wrong, it's the hypocrisy
[QUOTE=Solomon;52508818]there are about 3000 people serving openly right now that are going to be discharged and innumerable more that wanted to serve[/QUOTE] And this is why Trump has shot himself in the foot today. He's not gaining any supporters through this decision, everyone who wanted the ban were probably on his side anyway. However, he's just sent a big "fuck you" that'll alienate thousands of trans people (military and not), their friends, families, and so on and so forth. He's given basically everyone that supports for LGBTQ rights a reason to despise him.
[QUOTE=RB33;52509010]Really, you're going to say that, you are so incredibly wrong to dismiss the centre voters. If you're dismissing economic voters as just another bunch of anti-progressives, say welcome to term 2 of Trump. This painting every Trump supporter as part of this extreme faction is going too far.[/QUOTE] Either you heard what Trump said and agreed with him, making you an active racist ("grrr I hate muslims, etc.") , OR you heard what he said, and simply didn't care, making you a passive racist ("eh, who gives a shit about muslims?")
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52509001]Holy shit...[/QUOTE] I love how a lot of left-wingers/Democrats are opposed to the draft but then act like being a draft-dodger adds to Trump's negative characteristics. It was Vietnam, an incredibly unjust war that America shouldn't have been fighting. The draft SHOULD have been dodged. The way Trump carries himself and acts like he knows his shit when it comes to the military is a massive problem, but draft dodging is something that tons of people also did as protest against Cold War imperialism. [editline]26th July 2017[/editline] On topic, what does this mean for Chelsea Manning? She got discharged, right?
Transgender personnel already in the military will not be discharged according to McCain's statement.
Also how many jobs is he killing if this actually happens
trump needs more money to fund the 1 billion apiece F-35's, not the pesky hrt/srs that costs below $100k
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