• Trump announces ban on transgender people in U.S. military
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[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;52509215]I love how a lot of left-wingers/Democrats are opposed to the draft but then act like being a draft-dodger adds to Trump's negative characteristics. It was Vietnam, an incredibly unjust war that America shouldn't have been fighting. The draft SHOULD have been dodged. The way Trump carries himself and acts like he knows his shit when it comes to the military is a massive problem, but draft dodging is something that tons of people also did as protest against Cold War imperialism. [/QUOTE] I wouldn't call being a draft-dodger in of itself a bad thing, but when you do it and yet still support war (whilst most draft-dodgers did it to protest war), and more notably, talk smack about [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/trump-attacks-mccain-i-like-people-who-werent-captured-120317"]people who did serve[/URL], you present yourself not as someone who stayed out of war because they protested the fighting, but as a coward. And I wouldnt apply this logic to only trump, btw. [QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;52509215] On topic, what does this mean for Chelsea Manning?[/QUOTE] You cant be punished for a "crime" if it becomes a "crime" after you committed it. I think with Manning's situation, they have bigger things to worry about
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?
[QUOTE=Solomon;52509073]There's something going on here. [url]https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=80124D36-EF8B-4CBD-A75A-9C6C697CA235[/url] [editline]26th July 2017[/editline] McCain has released a statement in support of transpeople and said Trump made a mistake announcing via Twitter as it was unclear.[/QUOTE] No one cares what mccain has to say, get back in your deathbed and stay there
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52509236][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?[/QUOTE] twitter is literally dying right now holy shit can't even load the tweet edit: his link got taken out with it [img]http://i.imgur.com/aTb6KtT.png[/img]
Jesus Christ, has he finally lost it? I mean, moreso?
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52509236][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?[/QUOTE] Has trump finally snapped jesus fucking christ
[QUOTE=Wii60;52509232]trump needs more money to fund the 1 billion apiece F-35's, not the pesky hrt/srs that costs below $100k[/QUOTE] What do f35s gotta do with this? They started under Bush and started entering service under Obama.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52509236][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?[/QUOTE] What the fuck man
[QUOTE=Wii60;52509232]trump needs more money to fund the 1 billion apiece F-35's, not the pesky hrt/srs that costs below $100k[/QUOTE] the actual cost is well below that
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52509236][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?[/QUOTE] Now that I think about it, he's probably trying to sew doubt into the rest of the federal government and gettinf his delusional bible thumper base to put him on a pedestal above the law
[QUOTE=Judas;52509254]Now that I think about it, he's probably trying to sew doubt into the rest of the federal government and gettinf his delusional bible thumper base to put him on a pedestal above the law[/QUOTE] SSssssooooo he's encouraging rebellion within his own government? [B]IMPEACH[/B] [img]https://rutgershonorsblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/apupies.gif?w=676[/img] [editline]26th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Judas;52509239]No one cares what mccain has to say, get back in your deathbed and stay there[/QUOTE] Except you should care [quote]“The Department of Defense is [B]currently conducting a study on the medical obligations it would incur[/B], the impact on military readiness, and related questions associated with the accession of transgender individuals who are not currently serving in uniform and wish to join the military. I do not believe that any new policy decision is appropriate until that study is complete and thoroughly reviewed by the Secretary of Defense, our military leadership, and the Congress. “The Senate Armed Services Committee will continue to follow closely and conduct oversight on the issue of transgender individuals serving in the military.”[/quote] They're trying to figure it out right now, he's saying Tuba jumped the gun.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52509236][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?[/QUOTE] What is separation of church and state. Seriously though, someone get into his account or is he going (further) batshit?
[QUOTE=proboardslol;52509201]Either you heard what Trump said and agreed with him, making you an active racist ("grrr I hate muslims, etc.") , OR you heard what he said, and simply didn't care, making you a passive racist ("eh, who gives a shit about muslims?")[/QUOTE] Yes, of course. 62,984,825 Americans are all racists. I love how you easily dismiss millions of people just because they voted for a guy despite not knowing them.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52509236][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?[/QUOTE] Trump please. I've doubt you've done a Christian thing in your life.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52509236][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?[/QUOTE] Lmao what the fuck
[url]https://www.romper.com/p/what-will-happen-to-transgender-people-currently-serving-in-the-military-trump-just-altered-their-lives-72678[/url] [QUOTE] each trans soldier will be given a hearing, and then discharged without pension and a mark will be placed on their service record. It was not an honorable, but general discharge which read "mentally unfit for service." Each dismissal under DADT cost roughly $53,000 per soldier dismissed, and disproportionately affected female soldiers, according to military blog, Stripes.com. If every trans soldier currently serving in the military faced a similar dismissal and the costs related to it, then the military would be paying out over 350 million dollars in charges related to dismissals. This is a stark contrast to the estimated additional 8 million dollars annually it is estimated to cost the military to treat and supply services to its active trans soldiers.[/QUOTE] thanks for serving your country tranny heres a discharge for being you Edit: not dishonorable
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52509236][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890260758050856961[/media] Wtf is he doing?[/QUOTE] laugh or cry
[QUOTE=Wii60;52509319]thanks for serving your country tranny heres a dishonorable discharge for being you[/QUOTE] It's not a dishonorable discharge. A dishonorable discharge essentially labels you as a felon. Don't blow it more out of proportion than it already is
[QUOTE=Wii60;52509232]trump needs more money to fund the 1 billion apiece F-35's, not the pesky hrt/srs that costs below $100k[/QUOTE] How is $85 million dollars for an F-35 according to official sources 1 billion? Where the hell did you get that figure from?
[QUOTE=myon;52508486]Every time this happens I can't help but think of good ol' Pvt. Martin who vehemently defended Trump because he was the most LGBT presidential candidate ever. Then again, Martin was pretty sheltered and probably didn't know better, which sums up a good portion of Trump's voters.[/QUOTE] From what I remember Pvt. Martin was not a friend of trans folk, he could care less, I remember one of the last things he said was something absolutely horrible about them, though I can't remember the [I]exact[/I] words.
[QUOTE=Wii60;52509319][url]https://www.romper.com/p/what-will-happen-to-transgender-people-currently-serving-in-the-military-trump-just-altered-their-lives-72678[/url] thanks for serving your country tranny heres a dishonorable discharge for being you[/QUOTE] FYI that's not a dishonorable discharge
[QUOTE=Wii60;52509319][url]https://www.romper.com/p/what-will-happen-to-transgender-people-currently-serving-in-the-military-trump-just-altered-their-lives-72678[/url] thanks for serving your country tranny heres a dishonorable discharge for being you[/QUOTE] Why do people in this section straight up just hack apart articles to create their own context? [QUOTE]As of this moment, it appears as though the military has yet to receive any guidance as to how they are to proceed. Because the Pentagon has referred journalists to the White House for clarification, the American public is left at guessing until more information is forthcoming. However, if this treated like Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT), each trans soldier will be given a hearing, and then discharged without pension and a mark will be placed on their service record. It was not an honorable, but general discharge which read "mentally unfit for service."[/QUOTE] That's super fucking shady of you to start spinning shit based of speculation.
Yea, i don't have an issue with this at all. Huckabee summed it up nicely in the first Republican Primary Debate last year: [QUOTE]The military is not a social experiment. The purpose of the military is kill people and break things[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wii60;52509232]trump needs more money to fund the 1 billion apiece F-35's, not the pesky hrt/srs that costs below $100k[/QUOTE] As other people have already mentioned the unit cost of the F-35 has never come close to $1 billion. As for your other point though, [URL="https://www.rand.org/news/press/2016/06/30.html"]here[/URL] is a [B]conservative [/B]think tank saying the impact of allowing transgender personnel in the military would be small.
[QUOTE=Komodoh;52509344]Yea, i don't have an issue with this at all. Huckabee summed it up nicely in the first Republican Primary Debate last year:[/QUOTE] I'll take the bait. It is in no way a "social experiment" to allow LGBT people into the military. It wasn't a "social experiment" to allow women into the military. It wasn't a "social experiment" to allow blacks into the military. In fact, Huckabee does a shitty job of explaining the purpose of the US military. Killing stuff and breaking things are the actions of the Huns. The US military serves to defend its people, its nation's assets and interests, its allies and the innocent.
Shocking announcement. I get it from a budgetary perspective, and maybe rven from the point of view of maximizing military efficiency, if you want to go that far. This is just so out of left field. Surely someone had to consider the political implications of this sort of policy before it was announced? All this accomplishes right now is to torpedo one of the President's very small but very vocal minorities of supporters.
[QUOTE=Komodoh;52509344]Yea, i don't have an issue with this at all. Huckabee summed it up nicely in the first Republican Primary Debate last year:[/QUOTE] First off, Huckabee is an idiot. The military is more than just killers and people who break shit. But even if we wanted to assume that combat represents the totality of the military and not, you know, the 10% it does in reality, what if someone who is transgender just also happens to be really good at killing people and breakign shit? Why arbitrarily prevent people who are otherwise more than qualified from serving? [QUOTE=-nesto-;52509342]Why do people in this section straight up just hack apart articles to create their own context? That's super fucking shady of you to start spinning shit based of speculation.[/QUOTE] I often wonder the same thing nesto :thinking:
[QUOTE=Wii60;52509319][url]https://www.romper.com/p/what-will-happen-to-transgender-people-currently-serving-in-the-military-trump-just-altered-their-lives-72678[/url] thanks for serving your country tranny heres a discharge for being you Edit: not dishonorable[/QUOTE] Fucking wow dude. Trump is garbage but so is this post. You specifically removed this part preceding your quote: [quote] However, if this treated like Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT), [/quote] You literally posted blatant speculation as if it were fact. Great job!
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52509364]That's still bad lol. Being discharged because you are "mentally unfit" just cause you weren't born as the gender you identify with is unreasonable. They've served America. They're veterans. They deserve the pension like all others. They are soldiers. Should be equals.[/QUOTE] Yeah I think people are missing the forest for the trees by pointing out (correctly, to be fair) that a general discharge isn't a dishonorable discharge. It still means (possibly) that transgender soldiers who would otherwise qualify for an honorable discharge won't get it thanks purely to a bureaucratic decision. It's completely unfair.
[QUOTE=Kiwi;52509364]That's still bad lol. Being discharged because you are "mentally unfit" just cause you weren't born as the gender you identify with is unreasonable. They've served America. They're veterans. They deserve the pension like all others. They are soldiers. Should be equals.[/QUOTE] No one is being discharged for being trans(yet?). Dont ask dont tell was for gay soldiers and it was fuckin stupid. There's nothing indicating trans soldiers are going to face a similar fate to DADT. It's pure speculation from some random ass site that doesn't even come up on mediabiasfactcheck.
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