Mass sex assault in Sweden, Kalstad during music festival
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[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;50644467]According to your flagdog you were in China 2 posts ago and in Japan during this one. Man you move fast if you're back home already[/QUOTE]
Cyka...
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50644501]I agree but the war still rages on. We've bombed them for decades and the problem is worse than ever.
We need to fight the radical ideology but unsure how. We fought USSR/totalitarian socialism with the Marshal plan maybe we need something similar, offer them something better than bombs, dust and disrespect. Look at polls about how the muslim world sees the US, its overwhelmingly negative, they see the US as trying to embarrass and enthrall the muslim world, that needs to be changed before we can do anything. Saying US but that applies much to the UK and france also.[/QUOTE]
COIN operations are tried regularly, with infrastructure being attempted to become workable and friendly relations with locals established
We need to work on propaganda more, more assasinstions in quick timing for ISIS commanders and their ilk. There would be nothing more enjoyable for me to help erase them from the earth, no matter how edgy that sounds honestly.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50644501]I agree but the war still rages on. We've bombed them for decades and the problem is worse than ever.[/QUOTE]
Hmm. We could occupy, secure cities and send a ton of construction workers / resources and rebuild, but that would have to be done [I]after[/I] all the crazy people with explosives are dealt with. I honestly don't see a peaceful resolution after all the fuck ups and mucking around.
Re-education camps? These people are dead serious about their religious beliefs and practices, and all the propaganda against western life and executions of what I'm assuming to be the more ... understanding Muslims and Christians in the middle east.
But this would be seen as unethical I guess.
I dunno this is a fluster cuck - pun intended?
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50644550]Hmm. We could occupy, secure cities and send a ton of construction workers / resources and rebuild, but that would have to be done [I]after[/I] all the crazy people with explosives are dealt with. I honestly don't see a peaceful resolution after all the fuck ups and mucking around.
Re-education camps? These people are dead serious about their religious beliefs and practices, and all the propaganda against western life and executions of what I'm assuming to be the more ... understanding Muslims and Christians in the middle east.
But this would be seen as unethical I guess.
I dunno this is a fluster cuck - pun intended?[/QUOTE]
Dammed if u do dammed if u don't etc etc
[editline]4th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Toyhobo;50644570]aren't proxies bannable? Hmmm...[/QUOTE]
Vatican next please swebony I need more flags for my rare flag collection
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50644088]Sweden has been going downhill super bad and went from a really nice place to live in to a warning example on how not to do things[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, it's totally having it's fair share of big issues. But going as far as to say it's a "shithole" and a "bad place to live" is an extremist point of view. There are more cities in this country than the bad ones you read about in every newsletter.
I hate to say it, but yeah, immigration is a big cause of a lot of the current issues, and I feel that is a reason the problems in this country has been getting a lot of attention from media outside the country as well, but no country is perfect, obviously, but I feel like a lot of people are taking it to the extreme when they themselves are ignorant of their own country having a lot of crime and rape that goes unnoticed and undocumented because it's already so common.
People make it sound like you can't go out on the street without getting mugged or shanked.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50644550]Hmm. We could occupy, secure cities and send a ton of construction workers / resources and rebuild, but that would have to be done [I]after[/I] all the crazy people with explosives are dealt with. I honestly don't see a peaceful resolution after all the fuck ups and mucking around.
Re-education camps? These people are dead serious about their religious beliefs and practices, and all the propaganda against western life and executions of what I'm assuming to be the more ... understanding Muslims and Christians in the middle east.
But this would be seen as unethical I guess.
I dunno this is a fluster cuck - pun intended?[/QUOTE]
Reeducation camps would give the bad guys a legit propaganda thing to use against us. We would again be an invading force of evil.
We offer the people a better thing to do than to fight, overwhelm them with a better quality of life, make fighting and extremism seem like a waste of effort, make it obvious the damage it does, make normal life seem better and perhaps "they will go willingly rather than being pushed" to freedom.
They need pride. I'm against nationalism but maybe now is the time for it. help them value their country and respect their government. help them want to make the country better and feel pride when they see it flourish. Reassociate Afghanistan with its history, one time it was an exotic hub of trade and communication, make people think of colourful gardens in Kabul rather than dusty bomb city. Reassociate Iraq with the cradel of civilisation, its great history. Help them become a hub for technology or communications. Don't oppose islam there, its too deeply rooting, embrace it, use sufi spiritualism to help islam rebecome a personal thing to combat violent extremism, give them an alternative form of government other than corrupt feudalism or fundamentalist islamo-fascism.
I'm an optimist but I think helping people do things themselves is better than pushing and having them fight you every inch of the journey.
We've tried it before but we didn't respect. We tricked them into buying "magic wand" bomb detectors and pmcs scammed our governments and shot at their police. We gave them crappy weapons (afghanistan more than iraq) we didn't help them enough with infrastructure - afghanistans entire economy makes less than the US gives it for its army.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50644610]Reeducation camps would give the bad guys a legit propaganda thing to use against us. We would again be an invading force of evil.
We offer the people a better thing to do than to fight, overwhelm them with a better quality of life, make fighting and extremism seem like a waste of effort, make it obvious the damage it does, make normal life seem better and perhaps "they will go willingly rather than being pushed" to freedom.
They need pride. I'm against nationalism but maybe now is the time for it. help them value their country and respect their government. help them want to make the country better and feel pride when they see it flourish. Reassociate Afghanistan with its history, one time it was an exotic hub of trade and communication, make people think of colourful gardens in Kabul rather than dusty bomb city. Reassociate Iraq with the cradel of civilisation, its great history. Help them become a hub for technology or communications. Don't oppose islam there, its too deeply rooting, embrace it, use sufi spiritualism to help islam rebecome a personal thing to combat violent extremism, give them an alternative form of government other than corrupt feudalism or fundamentalist islamo-fascism.
I'm an optimist but I think helping people do things themselves is better than pushing and having them fight you every inch of the journey.
We've tried it before but we didn't respect. We tricked them into buying "magic wand" bomb detectors and pmcs scammed our governments and shot at their police. We gave them crappy weapons (afghanistan more than iraq) we didn't help them enough with infrastructure - afghanistans entire economy makes less than the US gives it for its army.[/QUOTE]
It's an unending cycle, the only people who win are arms manufacturers and dealers and death itself
[editline]4th July 2016[/editline]
Your ideas seem good tho
How you do it is block by block, westernise their beliefs by force and rebuild their nation 1 block at a time with full military occupation. Then make their people WISH they were on the western side of the border.
Oh, and tear down their slums, put down good reliable infrastructure independent houses and gift them to the people whos slum you torn down on the condition of not getting into serious trouble with the law for 10 years.
Thats also the minimum commitment you would need... 10 years
[QUOTE=Swebonny;50644530]I mean of course the unrestricted immigration has quite large negative impacts. Especially when it's handled in not a very good way. In general there's a large mishmash of legit issues mixed together with meme crap and a lot of exaggerations. I'm fairly certain that many in Sweden, no matter if it's an ethnic Swede or an immigrant, thinks that having this kind of mass immigration from 3rd world countries isn't very good.
Things are being done but quite slow, like what I linked earlier. You gotta remember that we got a left leaning government at the moment. And even they are passing laws that'd be deemed inhumane, racist and so on a few years back.
And personally I think it's terrible, no other way you can feel really. I think it's quite reasonable to deport anyone that commits a crime in Sweden, if they only have temporary residency permits. Not sure how it works now.[/QUOTE]
how come people are still voting left with all this shit happening? are all the right/center-right parties insane or something? in denmark we elected "liberal-conservatives" and shortly after we closed our borders, we've stopped almost a million people from coming in since January so that we can focus on integrating the people we've already taken in. personally i think this was the best choice we couldve made and sweden should do the same at this point. You've done your part, but its impossible to keep taking in that many people and also keep your own citizens safe and happy, which in my opinion should be the first priority.
I feel bad for Germany, their horrific past has ended up making a nation that reacts to the bare minimum national pride with hate. Having a German flag in your car? Here comes notes on your Windows talking about Nazis and nationalism
[QUOTE=Ax3l;50644604]People make it sound like you can't go out on the street without getting mugged or shanked.[/QUOTE]
Well, I think it has to do with the ... less reported / covered up news that's got everyone on edge.
The rapes and molestation's,
Condemning national / Swedish pride,
the child grooming in schools and social worker murders,
The sabotaging of electrical grids, radio masts and cyber attacks (could just be conspiracy shit)
Not to mention the blatant (i don't even know what to call it) government doing stupid things.
The hell is going on over there?
[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50644640]I feel bad for Germany, their horrific past has ended up making a nation that reacts to the bare minimum national pride with hate. Having a German flag in your car? Here comes notes on your Windows talking about Nazis and nationalism[/QUOTE]
but those kind of people are extremist left crazies and only represent a very small (but vocal) part of german politics, just like there's also extremist right crazies who think leftists are liberal muslim-loving cucks
both sides are equally shit really
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50644644]Well, I think it has to do with the ... less reported / covered up news that's got everyone on edge.
The rapes and molestation's,
Condemning national / Swedish pride,
the child grooming in schools and social worker murders,
The sabotaging of electrical grids, radio masts and cyber attacks (could just be conspiracy shit)
Not to mention the blatant (i don't even know what to call it) government doing stupid things.
The hell is going on over there?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you mean by child grooming or radio mast sabotaging(???).
But yeah, our government is doing a piss poor job at taking care of all of this. I can't and won't deny that.
But once again, I think the majority of people living in this country is content with our nature, culture and living conditions, which is what people seem to think gets ruined together with the immigration crisis.
We're not exactly on fire 24/7.
[QUOTE=Ax3l;50644692]I'm not sure what you mean by child grooming or radio mast sabotaging(???).
But yeah, our government is doing a piss poor job at taking care of all of this. I can't and won't deny that.
We're not exactly on fire 24/7.[/QUOTE]
I've read a few sensationalised article pieces that may not be legit I personally have to research more, but if you're down there could you do some digging too? I'd be very appreciative if you ask your police or maybe there's groups that exists?
Edit: gunna PM you some pics I've been sent.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50644851]I've read a few sensationalised article pieces that may not be legit I personally have to research more, but if you're down there could you do some digging too? I'd be very appreciative if you ask your police or maybe there's groups that exists?
Edit: gunna PM you some pics I've been sent.[/QUOTE]
what does this have to do with anything though, we're talking about the dangers of un-screened mass immigration
there's no planned effort, grooming or conspiracy going on, it's just politicians being idiots thinking they can save the whole middle east effortlessly and refusing to acknowledge any of the problems that some refugees bring with them. it's like they dont talk about any of the issues because they hope actual racists and bigots go away when you just ignore them, but it doesn't work like that. it's why you'll probably see a lot of swedes who suddenly will start voting right no matter how insane the party is, because in their eyes it's better than being ignored by people with rose tinted glasses who refuse to talk about the negatives of immigration
this article/opinion is pretty interesting and talks about cultural heritage in immigrants that commit crime, but its in swedish
[url]http://www.dn.se/debatt/kulturarv-ligger-bakom-invandrarnas-brottslighet/[/url]
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50644851]I've read a few sensationalised article pieces that may not be legit I personally have to research more, but if you're down there could you do some digging too? I'd be very appreciative if you ask your police or maybe there's groups that exists?
Edit: gunna PM you some pics I've been sent.[/QUOTE]
No offense, but I'm not going to be taking my time and get information from the police about things I have no business with. Again, I'm not denying that there's shit in this country, I'm just stating that there's not group rape, rampant violence and other things deemed criminalizing in every single city. I live in one of the 10th most populated cities in the country and it's a super calm, peaceful and downright nothing-ever-happens city. That's it, I got nothing else to say.
[QUOTE=Piciul;50644931]what does this have to do with anything though, we're talking about the dangers of un-screened mass immigration
there's no planned effort, grooming or conspiracy going on, it's just politicians being idiots thinking they can save the whole middle east effortlessly and refusing to acknowledge any of the problems that many refugees bring with them. it's like they dont talk about any of the issues because they hope actual racists and bigots go away when you just ignore them, but it doesn't work like that. it's why you'll probably see a lot of swedes who suddenly will start voting right no matter how insane the party is, because in their eyes it's better than being ignored by people with rose tinted glasses who refuse to talk about the negatives of immigration[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
[QUOTE=Wormy;50645020]Do we have a problem with immigration? Yes. Does that make Sweden a third world country? Absolutely not. I'd like to hear your arguments for that one.[/QUOTE]
i dont think the first part of that post is actually serious
Hopefully any party in Sweden that is pro-immigration gets kicked to the curb come the election season.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50645038]Hopefully any party in Sweden that is pro-immigration gets kicked to the curb come the election season.[/QUOTE]
They almost certainly will be because the only immigration "friendly" parties left are the ones that are reigning and they will not be elected again unless something really drastic happens. The Moderates and the other alliance parties now supports a more restrictive immigration policy than the Sweden Democrats that are considered to be the biggest far right party by a lot of people even though they are somwhere in the middle in everything but immigration.
As it looks right now we will either have a reigning minority/very small majority coalition with alliance parties or a big majority coalition with alliance parties and the Sweden Democrats. I would personally like to see the second option because when you strip away the immigration policy of the Sweden Democrats they are basically realistic Social Democrats and could keep the Moderates in check and no matter what you think about the party they have the best party leader in Sweden who would make the strongest prime minister.
[QUOTE=Toyhobo;50644570]aren't proxies bannable? Hmmm...[/QUOTE]
I get Russian and Swedish flagdogs from 4G
This thread is full of people who sound like they never get out and exclusively build their worldviews from sensationalist news articles and enjoy posts about how shit things have become because the attention for that scare mongering melodrama is the only they get
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[QUOTE=Killuah;50649435]This thread is full of people who sound like they never get out and exclusively build their worldviews from sensationalist news articles and enjoy posts about how shit things have become because the attention for that scare mongering melodrama is the only they get[/QUOTE]
good job once again smearing everyone who disagrees with you, yes you are right we are all basement dwelling losers who hate brown people, because 24 girls being sexually assaulted by foreign men in scandinavia, europes most peaceful and generally happy region is sensationalist news
no problem here folks
I recomend ignoring Killuah, he's no better than the far-right or even the alt-right.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50649435]This thread is full of people who sound like they never get out and exclusively build their worldviews from sensationalist news articles and enjoy posts about how shit things have become because the attention for that scare mongering melodrama is the only they get[/QUOTE]
Same thing as believing world consists only of good people.
allah akbar
Killuh is master shitposter: liberal edition
[QUOTE=Tomvdr;50643990]Sweden yes
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[QUOTE=Swebonny;50644546]Cyka...[/QUOTE]
meme-reply, offtopic
double standards
looks like I'm about to get Sweboned again :nope:
[QUOTE=Fourier;50649500]Same thing as believing world consists only of good people.[/QUOTE]
Not at all and I don't.
All the posts about how western country xxx turned into "insert melodramatic negative name" are just pathetic.
I am currently returning from Spain and France, not long ago people have been posting about how Spain turned into a "hellhole" because of the crisis.
Guess what it was like.
As someone who comes from a third world country, and that is migrating to Sweden (Legally, as a European, or at least European until Brexit actually happens), some of the opinions of this thread really bother me. I won't say all immigrants are good, I won't say that they are unable to commit crimes, I won't say they are guilt free. But I will say they're easy to scapegoat all the blame on them, it's far easier to think that the native population is free of sin and that these barbaric immigrants are guilty of ruining Sweden instead of considering the possibility that maybe there wasn't a media frenzy before this and just many of these events weren't coming to light.
I find it more troubling in the article to read that the offenders are identified, some were even arrested, but released. Like, what are they waiting for?
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