Mass sex assault in Sweden, Kalstad during music festival
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I love how this thread is ridden with virgin white cishead bigots who don't agree with me. Face it your decadent lifestyle will come to an end soon.
[B]Edit:[/B] racists
I find it troubling that the rules clearly state that English sources are a must for the OP
I find it more troubling that you are desperately trying to find a way to not get stuff like this posted
Post it all you want . I am not a mod.
but I have refrained from posting several things because I had no English source
[QUOTE=Killuah;50650548]I find it troubling that the rules clearly state that English sources are a must for the OP[/QUOTE]
Mods, I know that this thread has verifiable well known sources but please delete this because it doesn't fit with my narrative.
English
[url]http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/04/dozens-of-teens-sexually-assaulted-by-foreign-men-at-popular-music-festival-5985131/[/url]
[url]http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/teen-tells-how-mob-of-foreign-youths-grabbed-her-genitalia-at-swedish-music-festival/news-story/8b1456ee7131bbbe042799b30fe4f7a4[/url]
People who actually think Sweden of all places has rape and sexual assault rates significantly higher than some third-world nations don't understand how crime reporting works.
Australia and Canada technically have the highest kidnapping rate in the world. Much higher than Mexico and Colombia. That can't be right - and it isn't, because parental disputes and such are counted as kidnappings. The definition is broader, more cases are reported, and more cases are actually investigated by police. The exact same goes for sexual assault in Sweden. It's not a third-world country where going out of your house at 9PM means a rampaging mob of dark skinned serial rapists will rape you on your doorstep and kill your dog.
It means the definition is broader. All sexual assault in Sweden is considered rape, even without penetration, unlike most of the rest of Europe and the rest of the western world. It is more willingly reported. Police take those reports seriously. None of those three things are true in Nigeria. Plus, if you go to police and say "my husband raped me every day for the last 10 years," they'll record 3650 individual rapes. No other country does this.
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372[/url]
[QUOTE=Killuah;50650266]Not at all and I don't.
All the posts about how western country xxx turned into "insert melodramatic negative name" are just pathetic.
I am currently returning from Spain and France, not long ago people have been posting about how Spain turned into a "hellhole" because of the crisis.
Guess what it was like.[/QUOTE]
I've been to Belgium a few months ago, had a good time, yet I don't go and pretend that shitholes like Molenbeek don't exist.
Just pretending that the problem isn't there doesn't solve jackshit.
[QUOTE=Jordax;50650908]I've been to Belgium a few months ago, had a good time, yet I don't go and pretend that shitholes like Molenbeek don't exist.
Just pretending that the problem isn't there doesn't solve jackshit.[/QUOTE]
"the problem exists"
is much more reasonable than
[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;50643931]Oh Sweden, how far you guys have fallen[/QUOTE]
don't you think?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50650548]I find it troubling that the rules clearly state that English sources are a must for the OP[/QUOTE]
Haven't you yourself fucking posted news stories with german-only sources?
I hope you're offering your own head on the chopping block, too.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50650982]"the problem exists"
is much more reasonable than
don't you think?[/QUOTE]
When I look at Sweden personally, I see a massive housing crisis, rise in both Far Left/Right politicians, increasing rape and murders across the board, large busts of homemade firearms/drugs, several instances of child grooming not being addressed(Europe as a whole has this problem :v:) out of fear of being racist, and plenty of problems where police are unable to handle issues without falling into a hole of controversy. Not to even account for the inability of police forces to actually deal with radicalism of groups akin to ISIS recruiting in their towns and cities, while politicians are pushing to allow these types of idiots come back from Syria with training in war, to raise a new generation of radicals.
Not to mention you also have politicians which outright state that Sweden doesn't belong to the people who made it so great in the first place, but in fact belongs to the bigots that are going around firebombing houses owned by LGBT couples. If you ask me, yes Sweden is starting to regress in a sense that it's willingly bending over to people who want to destroy every bit of progress it has made in the last thirty or so odd years.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50649435]This thread is full of people who sound like they never get out and exclusively build their worldviews from sensationalist news articles and enjoy posts about how shit things have become because the attention for that scare mongering melodrama is the only they get
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Shit, i just got compromised.
Welp, time to get out.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;50644530]I think it's quite reasonable to deport anyone that commits a crime in Sweden, if they only have temporary residency permits. Not sure how it works now.[/QUOTE]
Surely that just allows the problem to continue?
If someone from the middle east sexually assaults someone, and you send them back, you're just sending them to a place where they can continue to sexually assault people with impunity. Sweden undoubtedly cracks down harder on sex crimes than Islamic nations do, and if someone willingly goes to Sweden they're willingly subjecting themselves to these laws. If they break them they should face the consequences instead of getting a free ticket back to where their crimes are just a cultural norm and avoiding punishment for the crimes they committed in Sweden.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50653680]Surely that just allows the problem to continue?
If someone from the middle east sexually assaults someone, and you send them back, you're just sending them to a place where they can continue to sexually assault people with impunity. Sweden undoubtedly cracks down harder on sex crimes than Islamic nations do, and if someone willingly goes to Sweden they're willingly subjecting themselves to these laws. If they break them they should face the consequences instead of getting a free ticket back to where their crimes are just a cultural norm and avoiding punishment for the crimes they committed in Sweden.[/QUOTE]
But on a technicality when you deport them back to their host country you're punishing them harder than simply jailing them while keeping costs to a minimum due to not housing them in a jail. It is a punishment given to the crimes that they've committed in Sweden and it's one of the best that sets an example and doesn't cost a lot while permanently disenfranchising the offender from the life that they could've led.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;50653852]But on a technicality when you deport them back to their host country you're punishing them harder than simply jailing them while keeping costs to a minimum due to not housing them in a jail. It is a punishment given to the crimes that they've committed in Sweden and it's one of the best that sets an example and doesn't cost a lot while permanently disenfranchising the offender from the life that they could've led.[/QUOTE]
But it builds Sweden's reputation as a place you can go to sexually assault people then come home without facing jailtime.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50653908]But it builds Sweden's reputation as a place you can go to sexually assault people then come home without facing jailtime.[/QUOTE]
Unless you want the government to abuse them by subjecting them to cruel and unreasonable punishments, it's a matter of picking a poison. Short of killing them or starving them, which most people would agree is not morally justifiable, you really don't have an option besides jail, or deportation. There really isn't a good compromise to a situation such as this. It's unreasonable to force a country to pay for their continued survival (which is what jail is), and simply deporting them won't help much either.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50653908]But it builds Sweden's reputation as a place you can go to sexually assault people then come home without facing jailtime.[/QUOTE]
honestly sending them back home is ten times worse than jailing them here. have you seen scandinavian jails? theyre basically hotels. our jails are meant for rehabilitation more than punishment, but trying to rehabilitate savages who commit rape in countries that take them in for free, provide housing, food and money isn't worth our time.
[QUOTE=Piciul;50656239]honestly sending them back home is ten times worse than jailing them here. have you seen scandinavian jails? theyre basically hotels[/QUOTE]
Yeah that journey across europe/the med is pretty harsh + theres a chance they'll end up in a Turkish refugee camp which is horrible.
Maybe the UN should put together some kind of funding/taskforce to deal with people like that - send a sexual abuser/pedophile/terrorist back to their own country and they're p much free to carry on doing their crimes and its not really fair for a country to have to pay for that person to be in jail with no hope of them ever contributing.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50653908]But it builds Sweden's reputation as a place you can go to sexually assault people then come home without facing jailtime.[/QUOTE]
It builds Sweden as a reputation that doesn't fuck around when you try to apply for asylum. It's highly unlikely that Sweden will be seen as a place to go for sexual assault when you can be immediately arrested and deported, never to be there again.
The idea of wanting Sweden to punish people by housing them in their jails is only a burden on the average Swede. Why would a Swede allow someone to sexually assault and then be placed in a Scandinavian prison where it's considered to be one of the best rehabilitation places in the world?
If you had a choice between deporting an deranged asylum seeker, tourist, etc and keeping them away from Sweden for the rest of their life or jailing them and making more of a tax burden on the people in an attempt to rehabilitate someone who went into an area like this with premeditated thought, which would you choose?
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;50656269]It builds Sweden as a reputation that doesn't fuck around when you try to apply for asylum. It's highly unlikely that Sweden will be seen as a place to go for sexual assault when you can be immediately arrested and deported, never to be there again.
The idea of wanting Sweden to punish people by housing them in their jails is only a burden on the average Swede. Why would a Swede allow someone to sexually assault and then be placed in a Scandinavian prison where it's considered to be one of the best rehabilitation places in the world?
If you had a choice between deporting an deranged asylum seeker, tourist, etc and keeping them away from Sweden for the rest of their life or jailing them and making more of a tax burden on the people in an attempt to rehabilitate someone who went into an area like this with premeditated thought, which would you choose?[/QUOTE]
For people who have valid grounds for asylum, deportation would be a gross human rights violation.
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Additionally you need some level of cooperation with the countries you're deporting them too, you can't just push them over the border, you can't deport people who have no passport, etc.
You're also not solving the problem if they are on somebody-else their doorstep a month after you successfully deported them.
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