• Debt Ceiling Negotiation Megathread
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[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425683]both parties have a plan to avoid defaulting these plans are different both parties reject the other's plan how is one party more liable than the other[/QUOTE] Because the Democrats worked towards a compromise and changed their plan to such a point that it is effectively the Republican's old plan.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;31425748]I really don't get the logic of this... It doesn't seem to be in the best interests to just let people who are being tyrannical be tyrannical. but hey, it's gotta work, it just sounds so stupid it has to. You even fucking said so yourself, they're bad at their jobs, but you won't blame them? You'd rather blame people who are being good at their jobs by changing and compromising? do you hear yourself?[/QUOTE] yes, i hear myself. don't hear myself saying the democrats' are more at fault - can you please quote that bit for me? [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31425772]Because the Democrats worked towards a compromise and changed their plan to such a point that it is effectively the Republican's old plan.[/QUOTE] yeah, maybe - but regardless of WHAT the plans are, aside from the fact that both involve raising the ceiling, there are still two plans that the other party need only accept to raise the ceiling.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425779]yes, i hear myself. don't hear myself saying the democrats' are more at fault - can you please quote that bit for me?[/QUOTE] No, you're saying their EQUALLY at fault. They're not.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425779]yes, i hear myself. don't hear myself saying the democrats' are more at fault - can you please quote that bit for me?[/QUOTE] You're not saying they're more at fault, you're saying neither one is more at fault. That isn't true either.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425779]yes, i hear myself. don't hear myself saying the democrats' are more at fault - can you please quote that bit for me? yeah, maybe - but regardless of WHAT the plans are, aside from the fact that both involve raising the ceiling, there are still two plans that the other party need only accept to raise the ceiling.[/QUOTE] [quote]the democrats could solve the crisis by accepting the republicans' plan - but they won't.[/quote] You rang?
I honestly don't give a shit who's bill passes at this point just as long as we don't default. Because that's a terrible deadline that's creeping up incredibly fast. We always think there will be more time, and then it runs out.
[QUOTE=Dalndox;31425793]You rang?[/QUOTE] Even in that quote, it won't solve the crisis, it'll put it off to a later date where they'll do the same fucking thing all over again.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;31425785]No, you're saying their EQUALLY at fault. They're not.[/QUOTE] changed your tune [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31425788]You're not saying they're more at fault, you're saying neither one is more at fault. That isn't true either.[/QUOTE] i'm saying they equally have a chance to solve the crisis, and that it's unfair to try and burden the republicans with the sole ability to do so. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dalndox;31425793]You rang?[/QUOTE] You quoted me out of context? 'Spose you haven't read my previous comments.
if the default happens how will it effect regular folk such as us
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425779] yeah, maybe - but regardless of WHAT the plans are, aside from the fact that both involve raising the ceiling, there are still two plans that the other party need only accept to raise the ceiling.[/QUOTE] The debt ceiling isn't the biggest most important part of this. by just giving in and letting tyrants do as they please, you're going to cause problems. It's as much a problem of appeasement as it is anything else. You can't just let them say "LALALALALALALLALA WE DON'T FUCKING CARE WE DO WHAT WE WAN'T". That isn't helping. That's counter productive. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425803]changed your tune i'm saying they equally have a chance to solve the crisis, and that it's unfair to try and burden the republicans with the sole ability to do so. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] You quoted me out of context?[/QUOTE] Nope, I never changed my tune, [QUOTE]you quoted me out of context[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;31425799]I honestly don't give a shit who's bill passes at this point just as long as we don't default. Because that's a terrible deadline that's creeping up incredibly fast. We always think there will be more time, and then it runs out.[/QUOTE] That's what I have been trying to say through this whole thread. Boehner's plan sucks, but it's better than what will happen if the US does default.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;31425814]The debt ceiling isn't the biggest most important part of this. by just giving in and letting tyrants do as they please, you're going to cause problems. It's as much a problem of appeasement as it is anything else. You can't just let them say "LALALALALALALLALA WE DON'T FUCKING CARE WE DO WHAT WE WAN'T". That isn't helping. That's counter productive. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] Nope, I never changed my tune,[/QUOTE] 1. "tyranny" is debatable 2. it'll solve the crisis - that's the only thing i've ever been arguing and yes, you did. you went from claiming I said the democrats' are more at fault, to claiming i said the democrats are equally at fault. there's a marked difference.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425803]i'm saying they equally have a chance to solve the crisis, and that it's unfair to try and burden the republicans with the sole ability to do so.[/QUOTE] Perhaps not sole ability, but sole responsibility, because no matter what happens a bill has to get past their House. However I can certainly say they are more at fault for how stagnated and polarized the negotiations have become. Hell, their Senate leader is completely unwilling to discuss it with anyone other than the president.
What I gathered from the news is that the dems did nothing but give in the whole time while the reps kept raising higher demand.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;31425810]if the default happens how will it effect regular folk such as us[/QUOTE] I've heard several times worse than the great depression. I've also heard not really at all. The most immediate impacts will be large parts of the government will shut down such as social security. We'll also lose our borrowing power and our credit rating will drop, as will the value of the dollar. The economy will basically take the express train to shitsville.
[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;31425835]I've heard several times worse than the great depression. I've also heard not really at all. The most immediate impacts will be large parts of the government will shut down such as social security. We'll also lose our borrowing power and our credit rating will drop, as will the value of the dollar. The economy will basically take the express train to shitsville.[/QUOTE] do I get to keep being a useless fuck on the internet all day
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;31425810]if the default happens how will it effect regular folk such as us[/QUOTE] Interest rates go up (mortgages, credit cards, etc.), overall state of the economy goes down, certain members of the military aren't paid, Social Security/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid/Unemployment Insurance don't go out when they're supposed to if at all. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Killuah;31425832]What I gathered from the news is that the dems did nothing but give in the whole time while the reps kept raising higher demand.[/QUOTE] That's about it, yeah.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31425831]Perhaps not sole ability, but sole responsibility, because no matter what happens a bill has to get past their House. However I can certainly say they are more at fault for how stagnated and polarized the negotiations have become. Hell, their Senate leader is completely unwilling to discuss it with anyone other than the president.[/QUOTE] and the bill WILL get past their house, if it's their house - thus, it's not their sole responsibility. had enough, later folks.
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;31425810]if the default happens how will it effect regular folk such as us[/QUOTE] i believe interest rates and stuff will go up, the dollar might go down, which will lead to increased prices of all goods. also some government services will shut down. but i don't know for sure [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31425846]Interest rates go up (mortgages, credit cards, etc.), overall state of the economy goes down, certain members of the military aren't paid, Social Security/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid/Unemployment Insurance don't go out when they're supposed to if at all. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] That's about it, yeah.[/QUOTE] well i was late, and less informative.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425851]and the bill WILL get past their house, if it's their house - thus, it's not their sole responsibility. had enough, later folks.[/QUOTE] it's like you want retarded bipartisan ship and complete lack of communication
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;31425842]do I get to keep being a useless fuck on the internet all day[/QUOTE] Depending on how well off you are maybe, maybe not. If it gets really bad the middle class and lower could be unemployed and or homeless by majority. That's if it's really bad.
How would the default effect the education system?
[QUOTE=Sottalytober;31425870]How would the default effect the education system?[/QUOTE] No funding of government schools, so I guess those that go to public schools will have a rather lengthy holiday as schools close down, due to not being able to pay teachers to work.
[QUOTE=Alvaldi;31425852]i believe interest rates and stuff will go up, the dollar might go down, which will lead to increased prices of all goods. also some government services will shut down. but i don't know for sure[/QUOTE] I believe I was the guy who told you about that in a similar thread to this one, so no harm no foul. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31425851]and the bill WILL get past their house, if it's their house - thus, it's not their sole responsibility. had enough, later folks.[/QUOTE] sigh
you'll probably be forced into affordable ghettos and help your parents at work [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] sounds fun and family building! you know what'll be even funner? rationing electricity, don't even think you'll have access to the internet
[QUOTE=Antdawg;31425894]No funding of government schools, so I guess those that go to public schools will have a rather lengthy holiday as schools close down, due to not being able to pay teachers to work.[/QUOTE] Well fuck, my college is already underfunded, lacking teachers, classes, etc. Goddammit.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31425898]I believe I was the guy who told you about that in a similar thread to this one, so no harm no foul. [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] sigh[/QUOTE] yeah i remember. do you think they will eventually default, or will the democrats fold last minute?
[QUOTE=Magistrate;31425907]you'll probably be forced into affordable ghettos and help your parents at work [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] sounds fun and family building![/QUOTE] Rated funny because the idea of US Facepunchers working is funny. Also funny because the average age of Facepunchers is around 13 anyways.
[QUOTE=Magistrate;31425907]you'll probably be forced into affordable ghettos and help your parents at work [editline]30th July 2011[/editline] sounds fun and family building! you know what'll be even funner? rationing electricity, don't even think you'll have access to the internet[/QUOTE] I'll probably just kill myself serious
[QUOTE=Antdawg;31425823]That's what I have been trying to say through this whole thread. Boehner's plan sucks, but it's better than what will happen if the US does default.[/QUOTE] What kind of mindset is that? If you go reps way the dept limit rises and more taxes on middle class go higher. Bushs extra taxes for the rich and wealthy stay in place (that "bait to get more industry into the country" didn't work to well eh?) and more depts are made. Democrats way is basically Clintons way who managed to get the first positive budget in like forever. And if it doesn't work: at least it changes the current program because obviously the current one fails. And you can't argue that a default and crisis now is better than a much bigger and damaging one later.Because you deal with it NOW not later.
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