I saw something on the news about something happening in about an hour from now?
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;31479642]I saw something on the news about something happening in about an hour from now?[/QUOTE]
Senate debate, methinks.
Being an asthmatic, i am quite worried about recieving my inhalors. I know it might sound stupid and people might tell me that i should be worried about more than this, but its essentially my lungs so.
[QUOTE=Cairn Trenor;31479848]Being an asthmatic, i am quite worried about recieving my inhalors. I know it might sound stupid and people might tell me that i should be worried about more than this, but its essentially my lungs so.[/QUOTE]
What?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31479852]What?[/QUOTE]
Sorry i really have no clue how the depression or whatever will effect medical supplies such as inhalors and such. Thats if senate does not pass that is
[QUOTE=Atlascore;31479946]I think he means, if shit hits the fan and we default the medicine he needs might become hard to come by.[/QUOTE]
Thats exactly what i mean
Even though we've avoided default, why does this deal leave a sour taste in my mouth?
[QUOTE=deathstarboot;31480111]Even though we've avoided default, why does this deal leave a sour taste in my mouth?[/QUOTE]
Because it goes to show how many idiots run our government.
[QUOTE=deathstarboot;31480111]Even though we've avoided default, why does this deal leave a sour taste in my mouth?[/QUOTE]Because this is not shit that should go down to the wire in the first place.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31478855]technically correct as in if you said them with no implications you would be 100% right
heavy taxation on corporations will not only cut jobs but increase the prices of goods and services, essentially taxing the poor. this is one of the reasons corporations have huge trouble in the united states, we have a very high corporate tax rate
and economies will fix themselves over time in a free market system, the problem is that when an economy is shrinking or hitting the bottom point in a recession or depression a free market will take a lot longer to pull itself out, which is where most people agree government intervention should come in. however when the economy begins growing again government intervention can stymie growth in certain areas and be ineffective in others, free market should be allowed to go as unimpeded as possible in those times
most arguments against free market in general tend to be morality driven, that corporations and companies dont provide services and exploit poor people in order to obtain profits[/QUOTE]
#1 The US doesn't have that high corporate taxes, and if it did, that's certainly not the reason the companies or people aren't doing well.
#2 While yes it does increase the cost of goods and services, this is more a fault of the corporations than it is the taxes.
#3 So if it takes LONGER to pull itself out, and longer to get started going again, government intervention in all of this just makes it worse? Right, because somehow, helping the people that need to get THROUGH the problem is foolish and backwards
#4 so you believe the corporation has the best interests of the people in mind? NO. It is LEGALLY BOUND TO PUT PROFITS AHEAD OF ANYTHING ELSE.
[QUOTE=rilez;31478335]Steve King is also an awful human being
This is why I can't watch C-SPAN; I've only been watching for an hour and I'm already upset with the people running our country[/QUOTE]
Don't worry; a lot of Americans and other people the world over agree with you.
I don't get the whole "Freak out about the ceiling" thing.
Kennedy did it
Nixon did it
Reagan did it
Clinton did it
Bush did it
Why not Obama? I'm not a fan of the guy but it's kind of backwards, don't you think?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;31481010]I don't get the whole "Freak out about the ceiling" thing.
Kennedy did it
Nixon did it
Reagan did it
Clinton did it
Bush did it
Why not Obama? I'm not a fan of the guy but it's kind of backwards, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
one of these things isn't the same....
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;31481010]I don't get the whole "Freak out about the ceiling" thing.
Kennedy did it
Nixon did it
Reagan did it
Clinton did it
Bush did it
Why not Obama? I'm not a fan of the guy but it's kind of backwards, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
It's the biggest increase in a long time and the deficit is on the path of becoming 17 trillion very soon.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;31480432]#1 The US doesn't have that high corporate taxes, and if it did, that's certainly not the reason the companies or people aren't doing well. [/quote]
actually it has arguably the highest corporate tax rate in the world, at least in some states
[url]http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22917.html[/url]
and yes that is exactly the reason corporations in the united states have so much trouble and have been for a long time
[quote]#2 While yes it does increase the cost of goods and services, this is more a fault of the corporations than it is the taxes. [/quote]
no its the fault of the taxes. you cant expect a company or corporation to just sit on its ass and let its profits go away. taxes are a necessary evil, but they are evil, at least economically
[quote]#3 So if it takes LONGER to pull itself out, and longer to get started going again, government intervention in all of this just makes it worse? Right, because somehow, helping the people that need to get THROUGH the problem is foolish and backwards[/quote]
no the intervention tends to be harmful in the recovery period, when the economy begins to grow again. government intervention in some way is needed when the economy is in a downturn. but remember that in an economic downturn taxes should be absolutely minimum, the government should be running at a deficit, spending as much as needed, and taxing as little as it possibly can, only increasing taxes when it wont be as harmful to the economy, and only to pay off debt and run surplus in preparation for the next recession
really humanabyss, do you know anything about economics or are you just talking out your ass?
[quote]#4 so you believe the corporation has the best interests of the people in mind? NO. It is LEGALLY BOUND TO PUT PROFITS AHEAD OF ANYTHING ELSE.[/QUOTE]
ok i never said it wasnt lol
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31481656]actually it has arguably the highest corporate tax rate in the world, at least in some states
[url]http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/22917.html[/url]
and yes that is exactly the reason corporations in the united states have so much trouble and have been for a long time[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2008/08/tax_foundation_state_rankings.php"]Uh...[/URL]
[QUOTE]If history is any indication, the Tax Foundation's [B]inconsistent methodology[/B] and [B]reliance on early projections without hard data[/B] will lead to further rankings revisions in the future. The problem is that when state and national media pick up a juicy story along the lines of, "Your taxes are too high," they don't report the numbers as estimates or tentative. They report them as fact and don't report it when figures for previous years are revised. [/QUOTE]
Not the source I'd have used, hoss. Especially when somebody [URL="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/the-tax-foundation-is-not-a-reliable-source/"]who won a Nobel in economics thinks they're full of shit[/URL], and they've been [URL="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Tax_Foundation#History"]biased since inception.[/URL]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31481656]no its the fault of the taxes. you cant expect a company or corporation to just sit on its ass and let its profits go away. taxes are a necessary evil, but they are evil, at least economically[/QUOTE]
So, what, does this justify tax dodging at a personal level too since it cuts into my disposable income?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31481656]really humanabyss, do you know anything about economics or are you just talking out your ass?[/QUOTE]
Strong words coming from a guy who needs a buttplug.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;31481832][URL="http://www.ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2008/08/tax_foundation_state_rankings.php"]Uh...[/URL][/quote]
um thats in reference to a different chart
[quote]Not the source I'd have used, hoss. Especially when somebody [URL="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/the-tax-foundation-is-not-a-reliable-source/"]who won a Nobel in economics thinks they're full of shit[/URL],[/quote]
i cant even see an article of him explaining anything, is this it? [url]http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2008/08/the-greek-menac.html[/url]
at the very worst its saying that the tax rate is comparable to countries like germany and the uk, where corporations are also having a lot of trouble.
[quote] and they've been [URL="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Tax_Foundation#History"]biased since inception.[/URL][/quote]
says who? how are they biased?
[QUOTE=Thom12255;31481323]It's the biggest increase in a long time and the [b]deficit is on the path of becoming 17 trillion very soon.[/b][/QUOTE]
that was quick
wasnt it 14 trillion like two months ago
This Republican-Democrat two party system has pretty much always been fucking stupid when one opposes another out of custom.
Things could be seriously better if you had a third wheel in there.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31481656]
really humanabyss, do you know anything about economics or are you just talking out your ass?
[/QUOTE]
Apparently about as much as you do.
I'd also really like to question you as to why you believe it's simply the taxes that are making the companies and corporations suffer when those same companies are making record breaking profits. And how those taxes even apply when they'er the most dodged taxes around.
[QUOTE=Thom12255;31481323]It's the biggest increase in a long time and the deficit is on the path of becoming 17 trillion very soon.[/QUOTE]
Uh no I think if the deficit was anywhere near 17 trillion the US really would be fucked
The debt on the other hand is around $14.3 trillion
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31482034]
at the very worst its saying that the tax rate is comparable to countries like germany and the uk, where corporations are also having a lot of trouble.
[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously going to try to compare an LME from a CME?
[editline]2nd August 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;31482577]Apparently about as much as you do.
I'd also really like to question you as to why you believe it's simply the taxes that are making the companies and corporations suffer when those same companies are making record breaking profits. And how those taxes even apply when they'er the most dodged taxes around.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't the US government end up paying back companies like GE with tax breaks?
Fuck have they voted or not?
There's barely more than 5 hours left ffs.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31484216]Fuck have they voted or not?
There's barely more than 5 hours left ffs.[/QUOTE]
Guess.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31482034]says who? how are they biased?[/QUOTE]
It's like you have to be spoonfed information since you can't even read.
[QUOTE=Biased]The Tax Foundation received considerable financial support from conservative political group Citizens for a Sound Economy[18] in the early 1990s, and has "operate[d] as a separate unit" of the same group.[19[/QUOTE]
Guess who they are/were?
[QUOTE=The answer]Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE) (1984–2004) was a conservative political group operating in the United States, whose self-described mission was "to fight for less government, lower taxes, and less regulation." In 2004, Citizens for a Sound Economy split into two new organizations, with Citizens for a Sound Economy being renamed as FreedomWorks, and Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation becoming Americans for Prosperity.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about you but after reading this (unlike you) I would feel that they are kinda biased.
So I'm at work and just walked by the TV where some dude (I don't know who) was like "The Democrats are holding a gun to the Republican's heads by forcing us to make spending cuts."
:suicide:
Just a head's up, the bill will be voted on in the Senate in about 2 hours.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31486349]Just a head's up, the bill will be voted on in the Senate in about 2 hours.[/QUOTE]
I was wondering when they were going to get to that...
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