• Obama: U.S. combat mission in Iraq ends this month
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[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23790236]Do I need to post this again?[/QUOTE] good to know that you ignored my posts and all of the sources stating that Iraq dismantled their WMD program in the 90's a government site saying that they found WMDs in Iraq? wow, what a surprise.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23790221]they didn't have any WMDs According to The Guardian in late 2003, British officials in Whitehall began circulating a theory that Saddam Hussein and his senior advisers "may have been hoodwinked" by lower-ranking officers "into believing that Iraq really did possess weapons of mass destruction." And as most of the informers for British intelligence were the same high-level advisers close to Saddam, the British were also fooled. The paper adds that this hypothesis "is open to the interpretation that the government is searching for an excuse, however implausible, for failure to discover any WMD in Iraq. "Commenting on the findings of the Butler intelligence review six months later, USA Today reported that Britain's Secret Intelligence Service had "shockingly few reliable human sources inside Saddam's regime." Documents since captured inside Iraq by coalition forces are reported to reveal Saddam's frustration with weapon inspections. Meeting transcripts record him saying to senior aides: "We don't have anything hidden!" In another, he remarks: "When is this going to end?" And another: "Don't think for a minute that we still have WMD. We have nothing." [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1112467,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-07-14-both-sides-usat_x.htm[/url] [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188665,00.html[/url][/QUOTE] You have a terrible mix up, like always. All those news articles are about Saddam not complying with us. That was all before we found chemical weapons. Research better next time.
[quote]In his final report in October 2004, Charles Duelfer, head of a post-invasion U.S. team of weapons hunters, concluded Iraq and the U.N. inspectors had, indeed, dismantled the nuclear program and destroyed the chemical and biological weapons stockpiles by 1992, and the Iraqis never resumed production.[/quote] [url]http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918[/url] [editline]08:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;23790288]You have a terrible mix up, like always. All those news articles are about Saddam not complying with us. That was all before we found chemical weapons. Research better next time.[/QUOTE] they had no WMDs I've posted at least five different sources stating that. the Iraq Intelligence Commission concluded that the US was wrong.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23790282]good to know that you ignored my posts and all of the sources stating that Iraq dismantled their WMD program in the 90's a government site saying that they found WMDs in Iraq? wow, what a surprise.[/QUOTE] Dismantled or not, the possession of weaponized uranium, biological compenents and other materials for large scale devices constitutes to having weapons of mass destruction. Even if the actual systems are in a million pieces.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23790347]Dismantled or not, the possession of weaponized uranium, biological compenents and other materials for large scale devices constitutes to having weapons of mass destruction. Even if the actual systems are in a million pieces.[/QUOTE] so that justifies making up bullshit in order to invade and occupy the country? Iraq WAS NOT a threat.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23790291]I've posted at least five different sources stating that. the Iraq Intelligence Commission concluded that the US was wrong.[/QUOTE] Let me explain again, but slowly. That was all propaganda [B]before[/B] troops found barrels of chemical weapons. Read slowly.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23790370]so that justifies making up bullshit in order to invade and occupy the country? Iraq WAS NOT a threat.[/QUOTE] Yes, because we all know that the presence of materials is complete bullshit... You tell that to the thousands upon thousands of kurds killed...
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;23790244]The man murdered an entire town in his country. Why would a despot, obviously on a losing war, [I]not[/I] use WMD that he had? And even then, why would he care if they got into the hands of "worse groups"?[/QUOTE] Once Saddam knew we we're entering, he knew it was over. Why he didn't use them is, because it would have had no effect on the invasion. Our troops were already fully prepared for a chemical weapon attack. Saddam knew he didn't stand a chance, that's why he hid like the rat he was.
[QUOTE=orgornot;23784278]Even though I think this is good progress I will kind of miss the war :/[/QUOTE]You can't be serious.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23790412]Yes, because we all know that the presence of materials is complete bullshit... You tell that to the thousands upon thousands of kurds killed...[/QUOTE] iraq had no WMDs post early 90's, period. everyone in the world admitted that the US was wrong. [QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23790412]You tell that to the thousands upon thousands of kurds killed...[/QUOTE] uh, except iraq dismantled its WMD program AFTER that.. so in 2003 they didn't have WMDs anymore. how hard is that to grasp? they were punished for what they did. why 10 years later did the US decide to invade and occupy the country? because of 9/11 obviously, even though none of the 19 hijackers were from Iraq and Saddam had absolutely nothing to do with the attack. [editline]08:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragy;23790390]Let me explain again, but slowly. That was all propaganda [B]before[/B] troops found barrels of chemical weapons. Read slowly.[/QUOTE] no, not really. all you posted was one government source that is citing from a CLASSIFIED document. that's not really reliable. a government citing a classified document defending their invasion and occupation of a country? what a surprise.
I remembered reading this a while ago, not sure if it means anything towards WMDs or not. [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html[/url]
[QUOTE=JDK721;23790497]iraq had no WMDs post early 90's, period. everyone in the world admitted that the US was wrong. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://smallwarsjournal.com/documents/ngicwmdreport.pdf[/URL]
they were made before 1991 so that's still not proof that Iraq was manufacturing WMDs post early 90's
[QUOTE=JDK721;23790735]they were made before 1991 so that's still not proof that Iraq was manufacturing WMDs post early 90's[/QUOTE] No one said anything about manufacture, just the possession of multitudes of chemicals agents was the reason for the invasion. [editline]09:12PM[/editline] You're just avoiding the point now.
they weren't even in useable condition and they weren't the weapons the US was looking for, and they weren't the reason the US invaded [quote]Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions. "This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."[/quote] [url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Ragy;23790454]Once Saddam knew we we're entering, he knew it was over. Why he didn't use them is, because it would have had no effect on the invasion. Our troops were already fully prepared for a chemical weapon attack. Saddam knew he didn't stand a chance, that's why he hid like the rat he was.[/QUOTE] Why did his army put up a fight then, if it was so [I]obvious[/I] that he was going to lose?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;23790944]Why did his army put up a fight then, if it was so [I]obvious[/I] that he was going to lose?[/QUOTE] Ragy is being dumb again Iraq had no useable WMDs in 2003
And it's going to be in a worse condition than when we got there, once we're out, the Sunnis and Shiites will just go back to killing each other.
Is the Iraqi government even administrating the entire country right now?
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;23791662]And it's going to be in a worse condition than when we got there, once we're out, the Sunnis and Shiites will just go back to killing each other.[/QUOTE] they're still killing each other even with the US there
[QUOTE=JDK721;23790954]Ragy is being dumb again Iraq had no useable WMDs in 2003[/QUOTE] Is that why he used chemical weapons to kill a whole village? Seriously, what goes through your head? All the facts are presented right in front of you and yet, you still deny them.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23791845]Is that why he used chemical weapons to kill a whole village? Seriously, what goes through your head? All the facts are presented right in front of you and yet, you still deny them.[/QUOTE] Obviously he thinks WMDs are only nukes. People seem to forget sarin etc (which Iraq DID have as they proved multiple times) are classed as WMDs. I just did a bit of research and apparently insurgents detonated a shell containing sarin in 2004, so some was around then at least. (Apparently it didn't have much of an effect as it mixes when the shell spins as it flies through the air)
[QUOTE=RacistRace;23790064]Saddam said he had WMD's So Bush pretty much raped his ass.[/QUOTE] More like we supplied Saddam with the materials necessary to make WMDs.
How is this good news? Keeping the insurgency oppressed is the only way to secure a safer future.
[QUOTE=JDK721;23791707]they're still killing each other even with the US there[/QUOTE] Then they'll do it even harder.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23790140]We still had to eliminate the threat tho for the neighboring regions and us.[/QUOTE] God forbid Iraq attack Iran, Syria or Jordan, the only countries they border that they can realistically defeat. Also lol mustard gas being a threat to the US.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23791845]Is that why he used chemical weapons to kill a whole village? Seriously, what goes through your head? All the facts are presented right in front of you and yet, you still deny them.[/QUOTE] I said that he had no WMDs [B]post early 90's[/B] learn how to fucking read
[QUOTE=GrubFlyer;23793467]How is this good news? Keeping the insurgency oppressed is the only way to secure a safer future.[/QUOTE] The insurgency and hatred is against America, the sooner they GTFO the sooner (in theory) it will die down. [editline]04:54AM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;23793531]I said that he had no WMDs [B]post early 90's[/B] learn how to fucking read[/QUOTE] Then how come insurgents got hold of sarin as late as 2004?
[QUOTE=Ragy;23790195]Having those WMDs fall into worse groups is well, much worse.[/QUOTE] Who the Hell is gonna' get chemical weapons from the iron dictatorship that was the Iraqi government, the Kurds?
[QUOTE=Billiam;23793521] Also lol mustard gas being a threat to the US.[/QUOTE] Gas is an easy thing to transport, and its not like when you go through an airport scanner they check for chemical weapons. It wouldn't be that hard for someone to get hold of it and ship it to somewhere where its more useful.
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