Obama: U.S. combat mission in Iraq ends this month
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[QUOTE=Jsm;23793543]Then how come insurgents got hold of sarin as late as 2004?[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
and that's not what the US was looking for nor was it the reason for the invasion
[QUOTE=JDK721;23793603][citation needed]
and that's not what the US was looking for nor was it the reason for the invasion[/QUOTE]
Citation: [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/[/url]
The invasion was over WMDs, the term WMD was formally defined in 1990 by the UN when they were discussing Iraq and sarin was one of the first things to be classed as one.
Not to mention I seem to recall that sarin was mentioned in the build up to the war as being a reason to invade.
[QUOTE=Jsm;23793568]Gas is an easy thing to transport, and its not like when you go through an airport scanner they check for chemical weapons. It wouldn't be that hard for someone to get hold of it and ship it to somewhere where its more useful.[/QUOTE]
Transporting enough mustard gas for a large attack would be no easy task, you might as well use explosives. Deploying mustard agents is pretty difficult too.
Also I'm pretty sure security would take note of air-tight containers. Imo, it's probably best use as a fear inducing weapon.
[QUOTE=Jsm;23793632]Citation: [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/[/url]
The invasion was over WMDs, the term WMD was formally defined in 1990 by the UN when they were discussing Iraq and sarin was one of the first things to be classed as one.
Not to mention I seem to recall that sarin was mentioned in the build up to the war as being a reason to invade.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Two former weapons inspectors — Hans Blix and David Kay — said the shell [B]was likely a stray weapon that had been scavenged by militants and did not signify that Iraq had large stockpiles of such weapons.[/B][/quote]
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;23778504]they'll probably pull out of iraq but stay in afghanistan[/QUOTE]
Afghanistan is arguably justifiable, Iraq is not.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;23788155]...And?
You've fought wars in many, many other places and not left bases there. Take Grenada and Panama, for example.
And that's not to mention you fought far more nations than Germany and Japan in World War II.[/QUOTE]
Yeah we didn't stay stationed in tiny countries where we fought itty bitty squabbles, what does that have to do with anything. We spent nine years in this shit, and it benefits us to stay stationed there, so why would you think we wouldn't set up permanent bases?
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[QUOTE=Ragy;23789727]Actually WMDs were found. :downs:
There's a ton more too, but it's just buried in the sand.[/QUOTE]
Tthat's because WMD is a broad term that takes tiny little gas bombs in the same category as a hydrogen bomb. It's a term that exists to make you think the worst when it's actually something little.
[QUOTE=Mexican;23794210]Yeah we didn't stay stationed in tiny countries where we fought itty bitty squabbles, what does that have to do with anything. We spent nine years in this shit, and it benefits us to stay stationed there, so why would you think we wouldn't set up permanent bases?[/QUOTE]
What strategic advantage would you think the US would gain by building permanent military facilities in a country that's unstable and such bases would be targeted daily by Taliban fighters?
[QUOTE=Lerlth;23778475]We've heard something similar to this about 10 times. In a couple of weeks he's just going to say, 'ACTUALLY, WE NEED MORE TROOPS.'[/QUOTE]
As a soldier who is currently in Iraq, it's pretty true. 2nd ID, 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team Along with 3rd ID, is the last combat unit to be in Iraq for Operation Iraqi Freedom.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;23794528]What strategic advantage would you think the US would gain by building permanent military facilities in a country that's unstable and such bases would be targeted daily by Taliban fighters?[/QUOTE]
As a passageway for the other middle east, that and coupled with Iraq they have Iran nearly surrounded.
[QUOTE=Mexican;23794210]Tthat's because WMD is a broad term that takes tiny little gas bombs in the same category as a hydrogen bomb. It's a term that exists to make you think the worst when it's actually something little.[/QUOTE]
Your "little tiny gas bombs" are chemical weapons and they are so deadly and cheap to produce, they have been banned by most countries. Ever heard of VX? It's seriously scary how deadly these chemicals are and how easy and cheaply any country can produce them. There's already enough VX gas to kill everyone on this planet (if I remember correctly).
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkbBnvz0rw0[/media]
Sarin gas attack.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ3prE4sG3E[/media]
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[QUOTE=Billiam;23793566]Who the Hell is gonna' get chemical weapons from the iron dictatorship that was the Iraqi government, the Kurds?[/QUOTE]
WMDs can be sold. If some country was producing WMDs (Iraq) and they wanted to sell them for profit, who do you think their gonna sell them to? Terrorist groups and crazy countries. That's why they are limited so much, we don't want them falling into the wrong hands.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23795106]Your "little tiny gas bombs" are chemical weapons and they are so deadly and cheap to produce, they have been banned by most countries. Ever heard of VX? It's seriously scary how deadly these chemicals are and how easy and cheaply any country can produce them.[/QUOTE]
No shit they're scary, but they pose no threat to any of us.
One less country I have to go to on my tour :3
[QUOTE=Mexican;23795301]No shit they're scary, but they pose no threat to any of us.[/QUOTE]
Oh god the ignorance. You're target number one buddy.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23795317]Oh god the ignorance.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because Iraq is going to send in an invading force to detonate chemical weapons on U.S. soil
[QUOTE=Mexican;23795328]Yeah because Iraq is going to send in an invading force to detonate chemical weapons on U.S. soil[/QUOTE]
You don't need a invading force to deploy gas my friend. If just one small canister was ever released in a populated city, the death would be huge.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23795357]You don't need a invading force to deploy gas my friend. If just one small canister was ever released in a populated city, the death would be huge.[/QUOTE]
how do you propose they would get the gas here
Watch the video I edited in.
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[QUOTE=Mexican;23795364]how do you propose they would get the gas here[/QUOTE]
[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDIYtl9f5c9RrpEG0NSLc4Ij_dYjOzjO2T3V1OcXBQoZlS3WE&t=1&usg=__0QvoNacw37gGyVqSpoXGkuCHicc=[/img]
oh that explains it thank you
I'm giving you a chance to prove me wrong so take it since you obviously know
[QUOTE=Mexican;23795382]oh that explains it thank you
I'm giving you a chance to prove me wrong so take it since you obviously know[/QUOTE]
You're already wrong. You're just making up silly arguments now.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23795397]You're already wrong. You're just making up silly arguments now.[/QUOTE]
uh just tell me how they would get in nerve gas I'm just curious
-snip-
oh wait I just got it the terrorists buying it thing
I thought you were talking about the Iraq military, I misunderstood.
[QUOTE=Mexican;23795408]uh just tell me how they would get in nerve gas I'm just curious[/QUOTE]
Well since you obviously can't use your little brain, lets see. Millions upon millions of pounds of drugs are imported into the United States every yea and other illegal materials. Can you see where I'm going or do I need to explain more for you?
[QUOTE=Ragy;23795440]Well since you obviously can't use your little brain[/QUOTE]
that's kind of harsh
are you just excited at the opportunity of actually being right for once?
[QUOTE=Mexican;23795429]oh wait I just got it the terrorists buying it thing
I thought you were talking about the Iraq military, I misunderstood.[/QUOTE]
Saddam had VX gas and he used it once with deadly results. VX gas can be made by anyone and obtained easily. It's a WMD.
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[QUOTE=Mexican;23795463]that's kind of harsh
are you just excited at the opportunity of actually being right for once?[/QUOTE]
I'm right all the time excluding opinions, but it just amazes me of the ignorance of some members (not saying who).
[QUOTE=Ragy;23795474]Saddam had VX gas and he used it once with deadly results. VX gas can be made by anyone and obtained easily. It's a WMD.[/QUOTE]
yeah but Iraq wouldn't use it against the U.S., or else they obviously would have before.
terrorists that purchase it is a more reasonable threat.
[QUOTE=Mexican;23795497]yeah but Iraq wouldn't use it against the U.S., or else they obviously would have before.
terrorists that purchase it is a more reasonable threat.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying Iraq would have, I'm saying that almost [B]anyone[/B] who wanted to could. Threats like that in today's world have to be dealt with. You can't just let everyone run around with WMDs, aka Iraq.
It's not like we sold south Vietnam outlawed chemical agents that they used during the Vietnam war.
[QUOTE=Cassettic;23789653]It does amount to a whole lot Saddam's reign was a huge strain on the entire world. WMD's were not found because Saddam had gotten rid of them and in all honesty due to an obvious American mistake we thought he was continuing to produce them. Saddam's regime had WMD's during and shortly after the gulf war.
I'm not your stereotypical over patriotic American but I do believe that Saddam paid Syria to harbor and hide these WMD's during it's last inspection.[/QUOTE]
Saddam had American paid WMDs until the UN disarmed them. Had them or not, the idea that they can assemble and fire one in 45 minutes is fucking ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23789727]Actually WMDs were found. :downs:
There's a ton more too, but it's just buried in the sand.[/QUOTE]
In what magical land, Ragy?
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[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23789990][URL]http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918[/URL]
Try again.[/QUOTE]
what worse source can you choose?
[QUOTE=Ragy;23790027]Typical FacePuncher talking about what he doesn't know.[/QUOTE]
this is like the 5th post where you didn't prove shit.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23789979]Chemical weapons were found. You're as bad as him.[/QUOTE]
no?
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[QUOTE=RacistRace;23790064]Saddam said he had WMD's
So Bush pretty much raped his ass.[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty... ignorant description of the Iraq war.
[editline]07:38AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ragy;23790140][B]North Korea is crazy enough to use it[/B]. Saddam had a brain and realized if he ever actually used one, it would be over for him. We still had to eliminate the threat tho for the neighboring regions and us.[/QUOTE]
Kim Jong Il is a sociopath but his advisers and himself are not stupid. If they use it, they die.
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[QUOTE=Ragy;23790229]Saddam wouldn't comply with us, so we went in.
automerge broke.[/QUOTE]
The UN held its Resolution and said the US should not go into Iraq.
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[QUOTE=JDK721;23790282]good to know that you ignored my posts and all of the sources stating that Iraq dismantled their WMD program in the 90's
a government site saying that they found WMDs in Iraq? wow, what a surprise.[/QUOTE]
A 2006 department of defence article to be exact.
[editline]07:41AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23790347]Dismantled or not, the possession of weaponized uranium, biological compenents and other materials for large scale devices constitutes to having weapons of mass destruction. Even if the actual systems are in a million pieces.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck are they going to do with it? To dig up and build one again would take years and there was ZERO indication they were doing so
[editline]07:42AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ragy;23790390]Let me explain again, but slowly. That was all propaganda [B]before[/B] [B] troops found barrels of chemical weapons.[/B] Read slowly.[/QUOTE]
Ok, 15 posts later, and still no source.
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[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23790412]Yes, because we all know that the presence of materials is complete bullshit... You tell that to the thousands upon thousands of kurds killed...[/QUOTE]
killed before any action was taken.
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[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23790749]No one said anything about manufacture, just the possession of multitudes of chemicals agents was the [B]reason for the invasion[/B].
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You're just avoiding the point now.[/QUOTE]
uhh, not at all?
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[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;23790670][URL]http://smallwarsjournal.com/documents/ngicwmdreport.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
you negate the part where in the NGIC report, it says they found WMDs... but the chemicals in them were A: ability to be used locally and B: the chemicals were degraded.
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[QUOTE=Ragy;23791845]Is that why he used chemical weapons to kill a whole village? Seriously, what goes through your head? All the facts are presented right in front of you and yet, you still deny them.[/QUOTE]
he used it about 25 years before.
Local chemical weapons are not WMDs
if that is a WMD then a bunker buster is a WMD or napalm.
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[QUOTE=GrubFlyer;23793467]How is this good news? Keeping the insurgency oppressed is the only way to secure a safer future.[/QUOTE]
The US CREATED the insurgency.
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[QUOTE=Jsm;23793543]The insurgency and hatred is against America, the sooner they GTFO the sooner (in theory) it will die down.
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Then how come insurgents got hold of sarin as late as 2004?[/QUOTE]
excess chemicals and bits of WMDs are floating around Iraq, but everyone knew that even before plans to go into Iraq.
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[QUOTE=Jsm;23793568]Gas is an easy thing to transport, and its not like when you go through an airport scanner they check for chemical weapons. It wouldn't be that hard for someone to get hold of it and ship it to somewhere where its more useful.[/QUOTE]
mustard gas is pretty ineffective in modern warfare.
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[QUOTE=Ragy;23795357]You don't need a invading force to deploy gas my friend. If just one small canister was ever released in a populated city, the death would be huge.[/QUOTE]
you just posted a video where a few people were killed by a large amount of gas...
and here you are saying an entire city will be wiped out by a little bit? I'm pretty sure Tokyo is still up and running.
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[QUOTE=Ragy;23795474]Saddam had VX gas and he used it once with deadly results. VX gas can be made by anyone and obtained easily. It's a WMD.
[editline]06:23AM[/editline]
I'm right all the time excluding opinions, but it just amazes me of the ignorance of some members (not saying who).[/QUOTE]
again, 25 fucking years ago.
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