Dog and owner sent to hospital after cat attacks seven pitbulls
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[QUOTE=Kyle902;50905337]Who the hell leashes a cat?
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uhh.. i do? My cat is a trained assassin, gotta keep it on a leash.
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[QUOTE=helifreak;50905698]I knew cats were pretty dumb that's a whole new level. They have these harnesses too that cats can't commit suicide with.
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Yeah they also make the harnesses for dogs, due to a lot of them also managing to choke themselves. It's more of the cat being incredibly uncomfortable with a leash around it's neck and trying to get away.
Also it seems that the cat's owners are paying for the Vet bill, so there's that.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50906299]TBH I think it would be better to confiscate the cat or destroy it, if this person raises cats that do shit like this they have no fucking business continuing to own one.[/QUOTE]
The thing about that is, you don't really "raise" cats to do anything. Cats aren't like dogs in that sense. Yes, it's possible to abuse them to the point of aggression (it's also possible to teach them a few basic obedience commands), but this was likely a case of either territorial aggression or the cat felt threatened.
The solution to issues like these is to keep cats indoors, especially if they're domesticated. Feral cats who are born and bred in the wild are fine for outdoor living because it's all they know, but a pet cat never really has much business being outdoors unless it's in some kind of enclosed area they can't weasel their way out of. Domestic cats aren't familiar with the outdoors (despite a lot of people thinking that they might be) and are much more likely to get hit by a car or eaten by a predator. Declawed cats especially are at risk of just blatant starvation.
My point being, keeping cats indoors prevents this. Can't really change a cat's nature by the way you raise them. Cats will be cats.
What kinda fucked up cat is this? :v: The owners must have mistreated it pretty badly.
[QUOTE=helifreak;50905698]I knew cats were pretty dumb that's a whole new level. They have these harnesses too that cats can't commit suicide with.
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its not like they just keep walking until they choke themselves, cats have a tendency to climb everything and if they jump over something and the leash isn't long enough for them to make it to the ground they'll end up hanging themselves. more an issue with leashing a cat to a pole or something than just walking it
[QUOTE=Pascall;50907489]The thing about that is, you don't really "raise" cats to do anything. Cats aren't like dogs in that sense. Yes, it's possible to abuse them to the point of aggression (it's also possible to teach them a few basic obedience commands), but this was likely a case of either territorial aggression or the cat felt threatened.
The solution to issues like these is to keep cats indoors, especially if they're domesticated. Feral cats who are born and bred in the wild are fine for outdoor living because it's all they know, but a pet cat never really has much business being outdoors unless it's in some kind of enclosed area they can't weasel their way out of. Domestic cats aren't familiar with the outdoors (despite a lot of people thinking that they might be) and are much more likely to get hit by a car or eaten by a predator. Declawed cats especially are at risk of just blatant starvation.
My point being, keeping cats indoors prevents this. Can't really change a cat's nature by the way you raise them. Cats will be cats.[/QUOTE]
I mean I've only got experience of cat rearing in a semi-rural English environment, but I think it's super dependant on your surroundings. I've bred cats all my life and never had a problem with them being semi-feral. Obviously there's no real risk of predators here, and in a small village there's not massive amounts of traffic, and my cats enjoy hunting and because there's quite a few of them, they're able to get their own space.
Obviously if you're in an urban setting you should really keep your cats indoors, though.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;50907686]I mean I've only got experience of cat rearing in a semi-rural English environment, but I think it's super dependant on your surroundings. I've bred cats all my life and never had a problem with them being semi-feral. Obviously there's no real risk of predators here, and in a small village there's not massive amounts of traffic, and [b]my cats enjoy hunting[/b] and because there's quite a few of them, they're able to get their own space.
Obviously if you're in an urban setting you should really keep your cats indoors, though.[/QUOTE]
Of course, bolded is a problem too and cats have been linked to the decline of garden birds because of that. (And as a more Scottish concern, the decline of the Scottish Wildcat is linked to pet and feral cats wandering free, passing them diseases and diluting their gene pool)
Keep your cats indoors, better for everyone that way (and the environment!)
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;50907686]I mean I've only got experience of cat rearing in a semi-rural English environment, but I think it's super dependant on your surroundings. I've bred cats all my life and never had a problem with them being semi-feral. Obviously there's no real risk of predators here, and in a small village there's not massive amounts of traffic, and my cats enjoy hunting and because there's quite a few of them, they're able to get their own space.
Obviously if you're in an urban setting you should really keep your cats indoors, though.[/QUOTE]
Ye it depends on the environment. Meant to say that too. If you're in an urban or suburban environment, cats are better off indoors. Rural areas have plenty of cats that roam but typically they are used for mousing or catching pests on properties, which is totally cool because they do that from a young age and are familiar with their rural territory. Semi-feral cats are good for farms or places out in the country where traffic is minimal. Predators are still a threat, of course, but cats who know how to fend for themselves from a young age are usually fine.
But yeah I meant if you live in high traffic or urban areas, domestic cats who are let outdoors tend to wander VERY far from home, regardless if they tend to come back. There are a few articles roaming around on the web with GPS tracked maps of where cats tend to roam and they're pretty interesting to see. They don't always leave the neighborhood but even wandering up and down neighborhood streets, they have the capacity to get hit by a car or attacked by a stray dog.
This is a neat little article about it. Was looking for one from a better source lol but didn't think it mattered too much.
[url]http://mashable.com/2016/05/26/cat-roam-maps/#eAxHg1DQhGq5[/url]
Our previous cat used to chase foxes away from our house.
Was pretty neat.
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He also hated all form of life, and could open doors.
It was pretty scary.
He couldn't meow for whatever reason, so his way of saying "I'm hungry" in the middle of the night was to open the bedroom door, then sneak into the bed and bite our toes.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;50907731]Of course, bolded is a problem too and cats have been linked to the decline of garden birds because of that.[/QUOTE]
That's true. I kind of miss having birds in my garden.
Cats have been linked to a decline in mice as well, which I'm not quite as upset about.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50906299]TBH I think it would be better to confiscate the cat or destroy it, if this person raises cats that do shit like this they have no fucking business continuing to own one.[/QUOTE]
roflmao, you don't raise a mutt cat to do shit, they have distinct personalities and exercise them. You train a cat as a kitten with positive reinforcement and then you hope the hormones don't turn them into assholes.
[QUOTE=cwook;50906373]Maine fucking Coons
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now THAT is a cat, i'll take three :D
[QUOTE=killover;50906486]This is why I laugh when people say "dogs will rip cats to shreds". Cats are the true masterrace imo[/QUOTE]
I've known a dog which literally ate cats a couple of times. It really depends on the dog and cat.
I get very frustrated with people who have "outdoor cats."
The average life expectancy of an outdoor cat is four years, compared to seventeen for an indoor cat. That's really all that needs to be said. Parasites, viruses, predators, weather, and traffic pose serious risks to cats, which is to say nothing of cats going out and reproducing, leaving litters of kittens out there at risk. It's especially bad this time of year. Our shelters are absolutely overloaded with rescued strays. I've already fostered three litters this season, and that's nothing compared to my sponsor, who often have six or seven at a time.
If you have an "outdoor cat," you don't really have a cat. You are supposed to keep and care for your pets. Putting water and food on the back porch once a day doesn't count.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50908851]I get very frustrated with people who have "outdoor cats."
The average life expectedly of an outdoor cat is four years, compared to seventeen four an indoor cat. That's really all that needs to be said. Parasites, viruses, predators, weather, and traffic pose serious risks to cats, which is to say nothing of cats going out and reproducing, leaving litters of kittens out there at risk. It's especially bad this time of year. Our shelters are absolutely overloaded with rescued strays. I've already fostered three litters this season, and that's nothing compared to my sponsor, who often have six or seven at a time.
If you have an "outdoor cat," you don't really have a cat. You are supposed to keep and care for your pets. Putting water and food on the back porch once a day doesn't count.[/QUOTE]
I have seven outdoor cats and three of them are on my bed right now. They're neutered, they're well loved, they're vaccinated, worked, treated for fleas, they're fed twice a day, and all of them are over ten years old. My oldest cat died at the age of 19 and she was outside all the time. With all due respect, I think you're generalising just a tad. What you're really frustrated about is irresponsible cat ownership, which is by no means exclusive to outdoor cat owners.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;50909065]I have seven outdoor cats and three of them are on my bed right now. They're neutered, they're well loved, they're vaccinated, worked, treated for fleas, they're fed twice a day, and all of them are over ten years old. My oldest cat died at the age of 19 and she was outside all the time. With all due respect, I think you're generalising just a tad. What you're really frustrated about is irresponsible cat ownership, which is by no means exclusive to outdoor cat owners.[/QUOTE]
Congratulations to you (honestly), but you're in the minority. The large majority of outdoor cat "owners" fail to keep up with vaccinations, fail to spay and neuter, and fail to notice and follow up on medical issues, and outdoor cats tend to live shorter and unhealthier lives, usually with a violent or painful end. This is especially true for cats and cat owners living in more densely populated suburban and urban areas.
A frustrating anecdote to counter your positive one: last year I regularly saw a shabby black and white cat wandering the neighborhood. I set a live-trap and caught her. She obviously wasn't feral, but had also obviously been in the elements for many months. She was filthy, badly underfed, had blood in her stool, open wounds on her back, and badly matted hair. I assumed that, at some point, she had been a family pet who had either escaped or been abandoned, and since cats generally don't wanter too darn far away from home, I spent a couple hours canvassing the neighborhood, trying to see if anybody knew who she had belonged to. After the weekend, with nobody claiming the cat, I took her into a local animal rescue to have her scanned for a microchip and to receive medical care, which she badly needed. She had infections in her wounds, parasites, and was badly malnourished. Later that night, I get a knock on my door from somebody down the street, screaming at me for "stealing her cat." I tell her the state I found the cat in, and the name of the rescue I took her to. The very next fucking day, I see the same cat back out in the streets.
That is incredibly frustrating. That is the kind of outdoor cat "owner" who I cannot stand.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;50909065]I have seven outdoor cats and three of them are on my bed right now. They're neutered, they're well loved, they're vaccinated, worked, treated for fleas, they're fed twice a day, and all of them are over ten years old. My oldest cat died at the age of 19 and she was outside all the time. With all due respect, I think you're generalising just a tad. What you're really frustrated about is irresponsible cat ownership, which is by no means exclusive to outdoor cat owners.[/QUOTE]
I have a cat named Pinky who I've had since I was 16, I'm 24 now and he's still alive and kicking. I've seen him chase down rabbits in his old age, and still catch them.
Saying because someone's cat is outdoors makes it not theirs, kinda makes ya sound arrogant. When I found Pinky, I knew if I tried to force him to be an inside cat he'd lose alot of what I loved about him.
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50909277]Congratulations to you (honestly), but you're in the minority. The large majority of outdoor cat "owners" fail to keep up with vaccinations, fail to spay and neuter, and fail to notice and follow up on medical issues, and outdoor cats tend to live shorter and unhealthier lives, usually with a violent or painful end. This is especially true for cats and cat owners living in more densely populated suburban and urban areas.[/QUOTE]
You know you gotta stop with that. I read your post and sometimes you make so damn mad, I'm like this arrogant asshat with his uptight opinions. Then you go to explain what you meant in another post.
I agree, if your cat is outdoors get all the shit they need. I do the flea stuff behind the neck, and he's already fixed, and I feed him a diet of dry food with juices on it (like chicken broth or some cooked fat.)
I know that diet doesn't sound the best, but in the winter when it's cold and rainy, that fat cat is a happy cat.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;50909350]I have a cat named Pinky who I've had since I was 16, I'm 24 now and he's still alive and kicking. I've seen him chase down rabbits in his old age, and still catch them.
Saying because someone's cat is outdoors makes it not theirs, kinda makes ya sound arrogant. When I found Pinky, I knew if I tried to force him to be an inside cat he'd lose alot of what I loved about him.
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You know you gotta stop with that. I read your post and sometimes you make so damn mad, I'm like this arrogant asshat with his uptight opinions. Then you go to explain what you meant in another post.
I agree, if your cat is outdoors get all the shit they need. I do the flea stuff behind the neck, and he's already fixed, and I feed him a diet of dry food with juices on it (like chicken broth or some cooked fat.)
I know that diet doesn't sound the best, but in the winter when it's cold and rainy, that fat cat is a happy cat.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, sorry. I know it's an over-generalization to say that anybody who has a cat that spends time outdoors is an irresponsible pet owner. That's definitely not fair, because letting your cat outside (especially if you live in a more rural area) doesn't mean that you don't care for the pet otherwise. I've just done a lot of work with animal rescues, and seen some tragic shit.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50908851]I get very frustrated with people who have "outdoor cats."
The average life expectancy of an outdoor cat is four years, compared to seventeen for an indoor cat. That's really all that needs to be said. Parasites, viruses, predators, weather, and traffic pose serious risks to cats, which is to say nothing of cats going out and reproducing, leaving litters of kittens out there at risk. It's especially bad this time of year. Our shelters are absolutely overloaded with rescued strays. I've already fostered three litters this season, and that's nothing compared to my sponsor, who often have six or seven at a time.
If you have an "outdoor cat," you don't really have a cat. You are supposed to keep and care for your pets. Putting water and food on the back porch once a day doesn't count.[/QUOTE]
I mean there is a difference between having an outdoor cat and not letting your cat inside at all. Everyone I know with an outdoor cat still lets them inside to sleep, eat etc. What you described as "outdoor" is more like feeding wildcats than having a pet.
Since its harder to train cats to walk on a leash and its hard for them to get enough exercise inside, letting them go out when they want to hunt/prowl is a good alternative (if you live in a rural or suburban area).
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;50907686]I mean I've only got experience of cat rearing in a semi-rural English environment, but I think it's super dependant on your surroundings. I've bred cats all my life and never had a problem with them being semi-feral. Obviously there's no real risk of predators here, and in a small village there's not massive amounts of traffic, and my cats enjoy hunting and because there's quite a few of them, they're able to get their own space.
Obviously if you're in an urban setting you should really keep your cats indoors, though.[/QUOTE]
There are still a thousand different ways for your cat to get hurt in a rural environment. They can get in fights with other cats and lose an eye, and contract diseases from them. They can choke on the bones of birds they kill and eat. They can get ticks and fleas. They can be shot by farmers protecting their chickens or get torn to shreds by a farm dog. There's a reason outdoor cats have shorter lifespans.
No matter what you guys say, letting your cat roam unattended is irresponsible and lazy, it's just more socially acceptable.
Why would you want your cat to be outside all the time anyway? The only reason I can think of is you don't want to take the time to walk it yourself, and play with it, and give it the stimulation it needs to be happy. I.e. cats are too much work for you but you still want them to be cute and stuff. You just don't want to actually provide for it, and letting it outside when it's bored is so much easier. If it gets run over, tough luck, get a new one.
Regardless of the cat's welfare, having an outdoor cat is bad for the local environment. Cats hunt everything and have been implicated in the decline/extinction of many species of birds. Please keep your cats indoors.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50910964]Regardless of the cat's welfare, having an outdoor cat is bad for the local environment. Cats hunt everything and have been implicated in the decline/extinction of many species of birds. Please keep your cats indoors.[/QUOTE]
Another huge problem with letting cats go outdoors. House cats are well fed so they hunt for fun, meaning they do it in disproportionate amounts compared to ferals, severely impacting wildlife that may be protected.
Plenty of people keep bird houses in their garden that are constantly under attack by outdoor cats. One user of a nature forum I frequent brags about trapping and killing every cat that comes into his yard and threatens his birds. Last week a housecat was hung and beaten to death in England by bored teens. And you let your cats out with a clear conscience?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50909391]Yeah, sorry. I know it's an over-generalization to say that anybody who has a cat that spends time outdoors is an irresponsible pet owner. That's definitely not fair, because letting your cat outside (especially if you live in a more rural area) doesn't mean that you don't care for the pet otherwise. I've just done a lot of work with animal rescues, and seen some tragic shit.[/QUOTE]
Hey it's totally fair. I get what you're saying. My cat lives with my Ma on 10 acres of land, and he basically has his own set of guard dogs so nothing really bother him.
But working with them, I understand your pain of that shit. People are cruel to animals and it's saddening.
[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;50907583]What kinda fucked up cat is this? :v: The owners must have mistreated it pretty badly.[/QUOTE]
From what I know about my cat Smokey,she attacked a pit bull,she was abandoned as a very small kitten on the side of a highway and friends of my neighbor picked her up and brought her to my neighbor. My neighbor is amazing with animals,she never mistreated her but Smokey has always had an issue with dogs. After a couple of months even though she was still tiny she started full on attacking her little dog and she just couldn't deal with it. I only had an adult female cat at the time and I thought the kitten was adorable so she gave her to me. I have never mistreated her either. She just really,really hates dogs but besides that she's a total cuddle bug that cries at the door for me til I get back. It's weird. :v:
[QUOTE=wallyroberto_2;50905411]Those must have been some well trained pitbulls[/QUOTE]
Pits are actually a very gentle breed, it's just that they can cause a lot of damage. Shitheaded owners don't properly socialize them, or abuse them, and the dogs get aggressive/vicious. An aggressive dog that has the physical build to do serious damage is not a good mix.
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