• Police rip 'clothes' (tent) off female ‘Occupy Melbourne’ protester
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Seriously facepunch don't fucking lie how many of you came in here cause you thought it was going to be hot
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33620499]What if they did this? What if they did that? Oh oh oh what if they.........................................[/QUOTE] I was more or less asking if it was the material that mattered.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33619888]Yes. The "99%" are actually the richest 1% in the world. I aspire to become part of what you call the "10%". Which is more like the 0.1%. Instead of sitting moaning that you don't have enough money you could get off your arse, study, work hard and actually move yourself into the position where you aren't the "1%".[/QUOTE] ... I've read this part at least a dozen times over and I honestly still have no idea what you're saying. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not trying to make an insult. I literally have absolutely no idea what this part is trying to say.
You can hear me in the first video. I don't know the girl and I mean she did sort of ask for it when you protest wearing a tent but I mean they could have reasoned with her better by offering her clothing after rather then high tailing it. Don't even really care about Occupy I just saw a bunch of cops and I was like Draaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaaa.
[QUOTE=Last or First;33623124]... I've read this part at least a dozen times over and I honestly still have no idea what you're saying. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not trying to make an insult. I literally have absolutely no idea what this part is trying to say.[/QUOTE] He's saying you should pick yourself up by the boot-straps, and all the occupiers should do the same if they feel disenfranchised.
Pretty much that, yes. In our economic system, money is power. So if you think you have a lack of power, get more money. You can do that by being well educated so as better-paying employers actually want you. Complaining that you don't have power isn't going to give you any more.
[QUOTE=famasfanalt;33623584]You can hear me in the first video. I don't know the girl and I mean she did sort of ask for it when you protest wearing a tent but I mean they could have reasoned with her better by offering her clothing after rather then high tailing it. Don't even really care about Occupy I just saw a bunch of cops and I was like Draaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaaa.[/QUOTE] They offered her clothing and to move on to a private place. No, the ones who released it mysteriously didn't tape that part. She wanted it to be that way.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33625312]Pretty much that, yes. In our economic system, money is power. So if you think you have a lack of power, get more money. You can do that by being well educated so as better-paying employers actually want you. Complaining that you don't have power isn't going to give you any more.[/QUOTE] Do you really not understand why someone would protest a widening income gap, corporate influence in government, and the deterioration of social programs? [editline]8th December 2011[/editline] Because it certainly isn't "complaining that you don't have power". Or even if by that you mean something else, it's a gross mischaracterization.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33625420]Do you really not understand why someone would protest a widening income gap, corporate influence in government, and the deterioration of social programs? [editline]8th December 2011[/editline] Because it certainly isn't "complaining that you don't have power". Or even if by that you mean something else, it's a gross mischaracterization.[/QUOTE] There's a widening income gap because the people at the top of the gap did something to get it.
I can't help but feel there's a bit more to this story. There's been cops who've pepper sprayed random people, whoever it was that hit that Marine in the head with a grenade, all those guys, but I somehow doubt that you'd get off scot-free with publicly stripping a woman, since the cops who did the first wave of police brutality were able to get away without their identities revealed. Either someone has been severly reprimanded, or they were perhaps a bit nicer about this than we may be led on to think. Just my two pence.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33625469]There's a widening income gap because the people at the top of the gap did something to get it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, doing work in the finance market, and because services that aid the poor and regulate corporations have deteriorated. That is not good, and I can tell you right now it's just because the poor 'got lazy' or don't have the drive to become wealthy.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33625497]Yeah, doing work in the finance market, and because services that aid the poor and regulate corporations have deteriorated. That is not good, and I can tell you right now it's just because the poor 'got lazy' or don't have the drive to become wealthy.[/QUOTE] There is a lot in the finance market. But they are in no way 1% of everyone else. There are very rich people who genuinely do earn it. Some of which even, are in the finance market. For example; an analyst at a large trading firm makes good choices, earns the company $1bn profit in a year. Isn't it fair that they get a good chunk of that? What is wrong, is the banker who loses $5bn, and still takes a $750m bonus. Blaming the whole finance market for the fuck-ups of a few, is wrong.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33625671]There is a lot in the finance market. But they are in no way 1% of everyone else. There are very rich people who genuinely do earn it. Some of which even, are in the finance market. For example; an analyst at a large trading firm makes good choices, earns the company $1bn profit in a year. Isn't it fair that they get a good chunk of that? What is wrong, is the banker who loses $5bn, and still takes a $750m bonus. Blaming the whole finance market for the fuck-ups of a few, is wrong.[/QUOTE] Yes, but that analyst did not get to where they are simply by himself. It was on the backs of society that he was able to reach that position, through subsidized education, services, and a high overall standard of living. For him to reach such a pinnacle and say 'I deserve every last bit I've made to spend on as I please, I needn't contribute in a Progressive way', is preposterous. And if at some point he or she's stepped on people and manipulated those around them, or committed some other egregious action, then I cannot say they look honest or good-willed.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33625712]Yes, but that analyst did not get to where they are simply by himself. It was on the backs of society that he was able to reach that position, through subsidized education, services, and a high overall standard of living. For him to reach such a pinnacle and say 'I deserve every last bit I've made to spend on as I please, I needn't contribute in a Progressive way', is preposterous. And if at some point he or she's stepped on people and manipulated those around them, or committed some other egregious action, then I cannot say they look honest or good-willed.[/QUOTE] They are (at least here) taxed to 50% on the vast majority of it. The "1%" contributes more to governmental funds than the "99%". They also spend more in their local economy, as they have vastly more to spend. Yes, they got there on the backs of society, but then they pay back society numerous times over.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33625748]They are (at least here) taxed to 50% on the vast majority of it. The "1%" contributes more to governmental funds than the "99%". They also spend more in their local economy, as they have vastly more to spend.[/QUOTE] Well in the United States this is not the case, and the effective tax rate for such wealthy groups is far less. Additionally, money made from stock market profits can be re-classified as 'carried interest' and taxed at the capital gains rate rather than the income rate, which is quite a farce. Can't really use an argument of 'Britain's doing alright with taxes' to go against what is largely an American protest movement. This particular story is in Australia obviously, but even then your argument of 'here it's not so bad' holds little water.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33625783]Well in the United States this is not the case, and the effective tax rate for such wealthy groups is far less. Additionally, money made from stock market profits can be re-classified as 'carried interest' and taxed at the capital gains rate rather than the income rate, which is quite a farce. Can't really use an argument of 'Britain's doing alright with taxes' to go against what is largely an American protest movement. This particular story is in Australia obviously, but even then your argument of 'here it's not so bad' holds little water.[/QUOTE] In that case taxation laws should be changed. Obviously there's no need for extreme tax rates; as the amount paid will still be huge proportionately; and huge tax rates would cause them to move to another country which would ultimately be counter productive.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33619254]Just because people work in the government doesn't mean they're looking to oppress you. Are you really that paranoid?[/QUOTE] you do realize that this country was founded on a deep distrust of government? Id say they had good reason to looking at our state of things now.
the occupy people in the US are really annoying... I wish they would get a little more intelligent organization and go protest at government buildings instead of constantly shutting down business districts. Why do they think it's a good idea to shut down what few businesses are left in some places, forcing them to fire the few employees they have, to protest not having jobs?
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Are these "She was asking for it" guys were being sarcastic. I hope they were.
[QUOTE=macerator;33638426]For those that think 'she was asking for it', [url]http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson1238.html[/url][/QUOTE] Interesting, but what I really meant is she wanted to be a smartass. It doesn't go her way? She flips her shit.
[QUOTE=macerator;33638426]For those that think 'she was asking for it', [url]http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson1238.html[/url][/QUOTE] I don't really think that applies. This isn't a matter of rape or sexual assault because she was wearing seductive/tempting clothings, this is a matter of police following orders because she was wearing something illegal/banned as clothing. She was asked to remove her tent herself, she was warned and given time to put on clothes, she refused and therefor her tent was taken and she was left in her underwear. Yes, it could have been handled in a better way, but I don't think the police were wrong to take her tent. If you're purposely disobeying the law even when asked to cooperate or warned of the consequences, then yes I do think "you're asking for it" when you refuse to cooperate or put on clothes under the tent.
[QUOTE=macerator;33638426]For those that think 'she was asking for it', [url]http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson1238.html[/url][/QUOTE] The guy in your source looks like a rapist, so your point is void.
People are also missing out on how useless protesting is. You're not going to gain anything more than the Police rocking up and enforcing the law.
[QUOTE=Rhodry;33639666]People are also missing out on how useless protesting is. You're not going to gain anything more than the Police rocking up and enforcing the law.[/QUOTE] Unless they actually think about [b]how[/b] they're protesting. Which 'Occupy' people haven't.
[QUOTE=Last or First;33619717]And I'm pretty sure that the idea of wearing a tent wasn't "I'm going to get stripped on camera and make police look like assholes", but "This law is stupid, ha ha, you thought it was an actual tent".[/quote] Except it was an actual tent. [QUOTE=Last or First;33619842]So you're okay with the government catering to 1% of the population over the bottom 99%? Or even top 10% over the bottom 90%? And letting the rich get richer while the poor get poorer?[/quote] Good job avoiding the question. [quote]Despite what pornos you may watch, stripping people on the spot isn't standard police procedure Shocking, I know[/QUOTE] Good thing they asked her to put on some clothes, offered her clothes, and gave her a warning before stripping her, or else it would qualify as "on the spot."
...she did pitched my tent though.
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