• Police rip 'clothes' (tent) off female ‘Occupy Melbourne’ protester
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[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;33603138]The point is that she had an item in an area where it was prohibited. If she was naked under the tent, the police would have escorted her away and replaced the tent with something she could use to cover up with. If they didn't do that, then I'd say you have a story to tell.[/QUOTE] I understand you come from a very open city. I consider myself to be open-minded even. I still realize however that most people consider their underwear to be "naked" or at least close enough. If you try wearing just bare underwear in public, you're breaking the law against indecent exposure. They didn't even bother to check if they harmed her (after pulling on her hair and choking her) nor did they escort her off for a towel or robe. When she spoke with the officer in another video, he just laughed at her. There is no way to twist this into an acceptable situation.
i'm sure it wasn't their real intent to upset her like that
i get that it's embarrassing to be in your underwear in public, but if you didn't want that to happen, perhaps you should have thought it through that you might get your tent taken from you. people make sacrifices in protests, and apparently she wasn't ready for people to possibly see what kind of lingerie she wears.
Is anyone able to hear exactly what the council officer is saying at 1:24+ on the second video? Removing it under regulation 34-3 under *inaudible* I wouldn't mind looking up this regulation myself
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;33603138]The point is that she had an item in an area where it was prohibited. If she was naked under the tent, the police would have escorted her away and replaced the tent with something she could use to cover up with. If they didn't do that, then I'd say you have a story to tell. [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] completely missed the point of my little portland anecdote, but okay. since when did you have to consent for police to enforce the law? once again, if she was actually naked under it, the police would have covered her up.[/QUOTE] And probably would have arrested her for indecent exposure. Also, just a little tip, I'm sure you know something as simple as this already, but [I]law isn't the same as morality.[/I] Why is it justified for them to unconsentually strip her in public?
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;33602737]Hm. The police said don't bring tents, so I should obviously try to be a smartass and wear a tent and call it clothing so they won't take it. Yeah shes a freaking dumbass if she thought that would work.[/QUOTE] Ah yes the age old "she was asking for it" argument. You know sometimes I feel really bad being entertained by posts like this. It's kind of like being entertained by watching the Special Olympics.
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;33603196]i get that it's embarrassing to be in your underwear in public, but if you didn't want that to happen, perhaps you should have thought it through that you might get your tent taken from you. people make sacrifices in protests, and apparently she wasn't ready for people to possibly see what kind of lingerie she wears.[/QUOTE] She probably wasn't planning on police officers surrounding her and ripping it off. I don't justify her actions. She seems fairly dumb for trying that. I would have been prepared to be apprehended or sent out of the park but not to be circled, stripped, and left on the ground.
[QUOTE=Noth;33603009][QUOTE=Contag;33602940]obviously I was asking where[/QUOTE] It looked like a park or somewhere similar, so I'd assume the Treasury Gardens[/QUOTE] Turns out I was wrong. Another video puts that at Flagstaff Gardens. Hmm, I used to work for NAB near there :v:
she was covered up, though. yes, it's embarrassing to be seen in your underwear in public, but embarrassing things happen to people all the time. if she was naked under it and yelled "don't take this tent off, I don't have anything under it, take me away and give me something to cover up with first" and they still took it off, i would condemn the officers' actions, but that isn't how it happened.
I don't see the police being completely at fault here. If this woman were to take the officers to court, I doubt she would win. Granted, the officers could have removed the woman entirely and given her something else to wear instead of simply ripping it off of her and leaving her there, but her idea to wear a tent as clothing was hardly a smart means of protest. They were going to make her remove it one way or another.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;33603181]i'm sure it wasn't their real intent to upset her like that[/QUOTE] my arse
Dumb hippies.
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;33603314]she was covered up, though. yes, it's embarrassing to be seen in your underwear in public, but embarrassing things happen to people all the time. if she was naked under it and yelled "don't take this tent off, I don't have anything under it, take me away and give me something to cover up with first" and they still took it off, i would condemn the officers' actions, but that isn't how it happened.[/QUOTE] And what about the aftermath? They just left her there on the ground. They had no interest in filing a report against her for bringing the tent or anything. They didn't even check and see if she was OK or called an ambulance. I agree that she was foolish for trying to get around it. She had no chance. This was just the worst possible way for the police to react though.
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;33603314]she was covered up, though. yes, it's embarrassing to be seen in your underwear in public, but embarrassing things happen to people all the time. if she was naked under it and yelled "don't take this tent off, I don't have anything under it, take me away and give me something to cover up with first" and they still took it off, i would condemn the officers' actions, but that isn't how it happened.[/QUOTE] You're right, that isn't how it happened. She was partially naked under it and yelled "don't take this tent off, I don't have any clothes under it". Despite what your own dressing habits in public may be, not everyone thinks of underwear as legitimate clothing to go strolling around the city. Again: why is this [I]morally[/I] justified?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSq6tPXJHZ4[/media] Here's the video where she goes to make a complaint, and one of the officers laughs at her (although I can't hear it).
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;33602737]Hm. The police said don't bring tents, so I should obviously try to be a smartass and wear a tent and call it clothing so they won't take it. Yeah shes a freaking dumbass if she thought that would work.[/QUOTE] "Can't take it or else it will stir up controversy and damage their reputations" is more like it. Sort of like the people who throw rocks and stuff at police in the middle of protests, riots, etc. then screech like fucking banshees when the camera's recording them [i]"PO-LICE BRU-TAL-IT-Y!"[/i] when they retaliate against those responsible. So, with that in mind, I don't really feel much of anything but indifference to this. I'm going to go neutral, like Switzerland.
I don't know what fucking reason they had to rip the tent off from her. Even if the officers did believe it was a reasonable threat, they should've at least taken her to get a change of clothes and give her some privacy.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;33603243]Ah yes the age old "she was asking for it" argument. You know sometimes I feel really bad being entertained by posts like this. It's kind of like being entertained by watching the Special Olympics.[/QUOTE] She wore a tent, purposely knowing that if she had one at the protest it would be taken from her. Now shes bitching because the police didn't put up with her bullshit excuse that it was clothing.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;33603504]She wore a tent, purposely knowing that if she had one at the protest it would be taken from her. Now shes bitching because the police didn't put up with her bullshit excuse that it was clothing.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's kind of a form of protest if you ask me. Just like burning a flag or revealing your breasts in public.
What the fuck?
They could have done without that one guy yelling like a dragon with emphysema...
[QUOTE=Splarg!;33603584]They could have done without that one guy yelling like a dragon with emphysema...[/QUOTE] [b]"SHAAAAAAME! SHAAAAAAAME! SHAAAAME! [i]SHAME[/i]! SHAAAAME!"[/b]
[QUOTE=Splarg!;33603584]They could have done without that one guy yelling like a dragon with emphysema...[/QUOTE] Stuck in your head too? It'd also be in the police officers heads, with the memory of the act. Yelling "Shame!" is surprisingly effective, on a psychological level.
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;33603524]Yeah, it's kind of a form of protest if you ask me. Just like burning a flag or revealing your breasts in public.[/QUOTE] This is a good point. If she takes it to court she should argue that. I'm not saying that the police were right in taking it, but she was also being a retard by bringing it.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;33603504]She wore a tent, purposely knowing that if she had one at the protest it would be taken from her. Now shes bitching because the police didn't put up with her bullshit excuse that it was clothing.[/QUOTE] I would imagine that she would expect to be escorted away, ordered to change clothes, or be ignored because they actually understand something as simple as "stripping person without consent = bad". She certainly did not know that they were going to surround her, rip her clothes off (somewhat painfully, too), leave her naked, and laugh at her when she got the courage to complain. Again, [I]why is this morally justified.[/I]
One of the officers was trying to justify that "This is someones tent" I'd rather someone wear my tent that officers tear it apart for... whatever reason they tore it off.
[QUOTE=Last or First;33603636]I would imagine that she would expect to be escorted away, ordered to change clothes, or be ignored because they actually understand something as simple as "stripping person without consent = bad". She certainly did not know that they were going to surround her, rip her clothes off (somewhat painfully, too), leave her naked, and laugh at her when she got the courage to complain. Again, [I]why is this morally justified.[/I][/QUOTE] Its not. Both parties were being idiots. The police for not at least covering her up with a towel or something and her for thinking they wouldn't take the tent even if she was wearing it.
Let's post tons of videos of her in her underwear online. Do they have her permission?
I wanted to see boobs :c
[QUOTE=Last or First;33603636]I would imagine that she would expect to be escorted away, ordered to change clothes, or be ignored because they actually understand something as simple as "stripping person without consent = bad". She certainly did not know that they were going to surround her, rip her clothes off (somewhat painfully, too), leave her naked, and laugh at her when she got the courage to complain. Again, [I]why is this morally justified.[/I][/QUOTE] Town bans alcohol in city parks, naturally you should go out and fashion a suit out of beer cans and protest [I]in[/I] the park. Would you expect authorities to remove your suit?
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