• Police rip 'clothes' (tent) off female ‘Occupy Melbourne’ protester
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Sometimes I wonder if people are intentionally ignorant as to the methods and components of a protest, or they are just genuinely that idiotic. They don't seem to understand what protesting typically involves and that often times it is necessary to break certain laws to make a point. This is just standard operating procedure for many major protests. Its called Civil Disobedience, and is basically the heart of some of the biggest protests and movements in recent history.
I bet she secretly has a fetish for having a mass of people rip clothes off of her, so this was her way of playing out her fetish. Well done.
Ahahahaha, she deserved that. She had time to put on clothes on under the tents and still refused, knowing that this was going to happen.
[QUOTE=Last or First;33604749]Hey Hey bro I know this may be a difficult concept But the law isn't the same as morality [I]Doesn't that just blow your mind[/I] You have to actually think about why laws are there. And in what situations they're applicable. Driving and parking laws are there for safety. They don't want anyone getting run over. This temporary law is there so that people don't stay overnight. So... they surrounded a woman and ripped her clothes off, leaving her naked. I'm pretty sure that it's not supposed to work that way. Just a hunch.[/QUOTE] And I know this is just so damn hard to understand, but the "temporary law" preventing people from camping out in public parks is there for health and safety as well. So the police warn the woman that her tent will be confiscated, and what does she do? Refuses to put clothes on, forcing the police to use force to remove it.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33604791]And I know this is just so damn hard to understand, but the "temporary law" preventing people from camping out in public parks is there for safety as well. So the police warn the woman that her tent will be confiscated, and what does she do? Refuses to put clothes on, forcing the police to use force to remove it.[/QUOTE] They should have just escorted her away, given her some clothes, and then taken the tent, if they're really that concerned. I would be fine with that. They should not have stripped her in public and left her naked. And the way they did it hurt her, too. Not very safe.
[QUOTE=Last or First;33604824]They should have just escorted her away, given her some clothes, and then taken the tent, if they're really that concerned. I would be fine with that. They should not have stripped her in public and left her naked. And the way they did it hurt her, too. Not very safe.[/QUOTE] See my previous post. I do agree that the situation could have been handled in private. I think the officers were either unable to move her because of the crowd and the large tent, or they were fed up with watching her antics all day long (see the video in my previous post; they had been taunting the police by dancing around them with their banned tents). That doesn't by any means make what they did acceptable though. But we don't have all the facts, and it's pointless to say "they should have just bla bla bla. They didn't, therefore police brutality" when we do not know what transpired before the ten minutes of recorded video.
Where in Australian law does it say you're not allowed to wear a costume in public? Street performers don't get attacked like this, do they? If someone can prove the illegality of wearing a tent costume I'll side with the police.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33604791]but the "temporary law" preventing people from camping out in public parks is there for health and safety as well[/QUOTE] This blew my fucking mind. How. HOW. [B]HOW!?[/B]
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33604841]See my previous post. I do agree that the situation could have been handled in private. ... That doesn't by any means make what they did acceptable though.[/QUOTE] Thank you. They definitely shouldn't have stripped her in public. Even if she was dancing around them all day. Even if she had stayed the night. They should have found a way to take the tent (or ignore her) without creating a scene that would be classified as sexual assault if they weren't police. [QUOTE=garry;33604676]This is like chaining yourself to some railings then suing the police for cutting your chain.[/QUOTE] Eh, it's more like making a dress out of chains and suing when they cut the chains, take them, and leave you naked.
What douchebag cops, although I wouldn't call it brutality, it's not as if they beat her up or anything like that.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33604937]Where in Australian law does it say you're not allowed to wear a costume in public? Street performers don't get attacked like this, do they? If someone can prove the illegality of wearing a tent costume I'll side with the police.[/QUOTE] It's a local government ban on tents in public parks grey area is whether or not you can [I]wear[/I] the tent in a public park
Has it occurred to you guys that she was disobeying and uncooperative? I'm sure the police would've agreed to take her to a private place if she asked. But she didn't. Because she was set on staying in the same place.
[QUOTE=Jookia;33605029]Has it occurred to you guys that she was disobeying and uncooperative? I'm sure the police would've agreed to take her to a private place if she asked. But she didn't. Because she was set on staying in the same place.[/QUOTE] Therefore it's totally fine to rip her clothes off and leave her naked on the spot. Totally.
This is terrible!
[QUOTE=Last or First;33605059]Therefore it's totally fine to rip her clothes off and leave her naked on the spot. Totally.[/QUOTE] She chose not to wear clothes.
Also here's an idea stop bitching about what is legal and what isn't, let's talk about what is right and what isn't. Because every protest ever was legal, right? And every revolution ever was legal, right? Legality != morally right (and at the same time illegal != morally right, of course) [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] Let's think of this as a kid at a costume party shall we? And let's say the kid comes dressed as a gun or a cigar or some nonsense and the adult at the party decides this is not okay (and even issued warnings before the party about this particular costume!) and decides to rip the costume off the kid. What the fuck do you think the consequences would be? "But the kid decided not to wear clothes under it!!!" [quote] This is like chaining yourself to some railings then suing the police for cutting your chain. [/quote] Similar but not quite. If cutting the chain involves removing all your clothes and then not offering a towel or anything to make yourself somewhat decent or any other assistance to make sure you are okay afterwards, then yes. Also people in costumes can be moved to a private area much easier than a person chained to a fence.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;33605198]Also here's an idea stop bitching about what is legal and what isn't, let's talk about what is right and what isn't. Because every protest ever was legal, right? And every revolution ever was legal, right? Legality != morally right (and at the same time illegal != morally right, of course) [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] Let's think of this as a kid at a costume party shall we? And let's say the kid comes dress as a gun or a cigar or some nonsense and the adult at the party decides this is not okay (and even issued warnings before the party about this particular costume!) and decides to rip the costume off the kid. What the fuck do you think the consequences would be? "But the kid decided not to wear clothes under it!!!" Similar but not quite. If cutting the chain involves removing all your clothes and then not offering a towel or anything to make yourself somewhat decent or any other assistance to make sure you are okay afterwards, then yes. Also people in costumes can be moved to a private area much easier than a person chained to a fence.[/QUOTE] Well in that case the child would have simply been asked to leave. And if the kid refuses, the guy would call the police to remove an unwanted guest from his private residence. Your example isn't very fitting at all.
It's stupid that she is wearing a tent, and calling it clothes, but those police could have handled that much better. They had a big police van there that they could have took her to, and let her wait until they got some clothes from somewhere.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605333]Well in that case the child would have simply been asked to leave. And if the kid refuses, the guy would call the police to remove an unwanted guest from his private residence. Your example isn't very fitting at all.[/QUOTE] Replace the word "child" with "woman", "guy" with "city / park owners / police", and "private residence" with "park".
[QUOTE=Jookia;33605172]She chose not to wear clothes.[/QUOTE] Your honour, I am not guilty of vehicular manslaughter as she chose to cross at the exact time I was doing 150 kph while drunk. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thrawn2787;33605198]Also here's an idea stop bitching about what is legal and what isn't, let's talk about what is right and what isn't. Because every protest ever was legal, right? And every revolution ever was legal, right?[/QUOTE] agreed so much this needs to be taught to children in primary school I swear to god
[QUOTE=Contag;33605434]Your honour, I am not guilty of vehicular manslaughter as she chose to cross at the exact time I was doing 150 kph while drunk. [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] agreed so much this needs to be taught to children in primary school I swear to god[/QUOTE] What needs to be taught? That it's okay to ignore direct orders from a law enforcement official because you're protesting?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605492]What needs to be taught? That it's okay to ignore direct orders from a law enforcement official because you're protesting?[/QUOTE] That, just because something is a law, doesn't mean that it's right. And that, if that's the case, then said law should be changed.
I was hoping she was hot... ...I was disappointed.
[QUOTE=Contag;33605434]Your honour, I am not guilty of vehicular manslaughter as she chose to cross at the exact time I was doing 150 kph while drunk.[/QUOTE] She'd be the one driving in that case. The police do what they do: enforce the law. If you don't want to obey the law, you should get out of our civilized society. As for the civil disobedience, how the fuck is wearing a tent and disobeying police going to help whatever you guys want to accomplish?
As much as I love her idea for a protest, it would have worked better if she had the balls to not wear underwear underneath, that way they would have had to deal with it a lot differently.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605492]What needs to be taught? That it's okay to ignore direct orders from a law enforcement official because you're protesting?[/QUOTE] Yes exactly that [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jookia;33605534]She'd be the one driving in that case. The police do what they do: enforce the law. If you don't want to obey the law, you should get out of our civilized society. As for the civil disobedience, how the fuck is wearing a tent and disobeying police going to help whatever you guys want to accomplish?[/QUOTE] Right, so it's completely okay for Russian FSB to detain those who break the law by exposing electoral fraud in Russia, then?
[QUOTE=Contag;33605574]Right, so it's completely okay for Russian FSB to detain those who break the law by exposing electoral fraud in Russia, then?[/QUOTE] You're comparing doing good things that help nations to wearing tents because 'fuck da police'.
[QUOTE=Jookia;33605605]You're comparing doing good things that help nations to wearing tents because 'fuck da police'.[/QUOTE] Wait so disobeying law enforcement officials is now 'doing good things'? Then why did you say this sarcastically? [quote]That it's okay to ignore direct orders from a law enforcement official because you're protesting?[/quote] You can argue whether this protest was legitimate (if you've read my posts in other Occupy threads you would know), but saying that one should never disobey a law enforcement official is absolutely fucked mate.
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;33603737]Town bans alcohol in city parks, naturally you should go out and fashion a suit out of beer cans and protest [I]in[/I] the park. Would you expect authorities to remove your suit?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://hotnewz.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/duffman-300x255.gif[/IMG] Nobody removes the Duffsuit!
[QUOTE=Contag;33605640]You can argue whether this protest was legitimate (if you've read my posts in other Occupy threads you would know), but saying that one should never disobey a law enforcement official is absolutely fucked mate.[/QUOTE] I never said nobody should never disobey a law enforcement official.
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