• Police rip 'clothes' (tent) off female ‘Occupy Melbourne’ protester
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[QUOTE=Jookia;33605669]I never said nobody should never disobey a law enforcement official.[/QUOTE] You said [quote]If you don't want to obey the law, you should get out of our civilized society.[/quote] of course you have Tony Rabbit as your avatar so why I even bother is beyond me
[QUOTE=Contag;33605002]It's a local government ban on tents in public parks grey area is whether or not you can [I]wear[/I] the tent in a public park[/QUOTE] I don't think a tent and a costume of a tent are the same thing. I bet they ban lions in parks but if you dressed up in a lion costume you wouldn't get arrested.
[QUOTE=Contag;33605689]You said[/QUOTE] Finally, you found a quote that I said to try and use against me. Good job. My sentence implies that laws are laws, and you as a member of society have a duty to obey them. I never said anything about disobeying people who enforce the law.
This is stupid. She completely deserved it. Had she been orderly in any way they would have let her sort something out beforehand but she was being stubborn, so it's her own damn fault if they decided to act on her because she was being disorderly. Not to mention bringing this Occupy crap over here is retarded. You can fully support a movement without causing the same dramas in a different place, you're not going to get your point across any more by doing so and stupid shit like this is bound to happen.
[QUOTE=Contag;33605640]Wait so disobeying law enforcement officials is now 'doing good things'? Then why did you say this sarcastically? You can argue whether this protest was legitimate (if you've read my posts in other Occupy threads you would know), but saying that one should never disobey a law enforcement official is absolutely fucked mate.[/QUOTE] I asked if it's okay to ignore direct orders from law enforcement officials just because you're protesting, knowing you are violating a law. I never said that everyone must comply with an officer's orders 100% of the time. It's called sound judgement. If someone is walking down the street whistling doing absolutely nothing wrong and a cop ordered them to take off their clothes because there was a report of a "man with a tatoo on his back robbing people" in the area, and the cop wanted to see if you were the guy, I can understand why someone would refuse the officer's request (here in the States, you would refuse on the grounds that it would constitute an unwarranted search in violation of the Fourth Amendment). In the case of the tents, the woman knew she was breaking a law, knew there were consequences to breaking said law, and refused an officer's orders to cease breaking the law.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605777]I asked if it's okay to ignore direct orders from law enforcement officials just because you're protesting, knowing you are violating a law. I never said that everyone must comply with an officer's orders 100% of the time. It's called sound judgement. If someone is walking down the street whistling doing absolutely nothing wrong and a cop ordered them to take off their clothes because there was a report of a "man with a tatoo on his back robbing people" in the area, and the cop wanted to see if you were the guy, I can understand why someone would refuse the officer's request (here in the States, you would refuse on the grounds that it would constitute an unwarranted search in violation of the Fourth Amendment). In the case of the tents, the woman knew she was breaking a law, knew there were consequences to breaking said law, and refused an officer's orders to cease breaking the law.[/QUOTE] What law was she breaking exactly?
council laws are rubbish 99% of the time local government? worthless government
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33605791]What law was she breaking exactly?[/QUOTE] "The council says protesters are allowed to stay in the park but bylaws prevent them from pitching tents or erecting banners." [url]http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=686012&vId=[/url] [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;33605696]I don't think a tent and a costume of a tent are the same thing. I bet they ban lions in parks but if you dressed up in a lion costume you wouldn't get arrested.[/QUOTE] Haven't we already established that it was [i]NOT[/i] a costume? It was a real tent, the one she was living in, and she "wore" it thinking police wouldn't touch her. Using your example, this would be like the woman waltzing around the park with her "pet" lion on a leash.
[QUOTE=Contag;33605793]council laws are rubbish 99% of the time local government? worthless government[/QUOTE] Don't leave me hanging bro, I'm still waiting on why you lied about me saying something: [QUOTE=Contag;33605640]Then why did you say this sarcastically? [QUOTE]That it's okay to ignore direct orders from a law enforcement official because you're protesting?[/QUOTE] You can argue whether this protest was legitimate (if you've read my posts in other Occupy threads you would know), but saying that one should never disobey a law enforcement official is absolutely fucked mate.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605811]"The council says protesters are allowed to stay in the park but bylaws prevent them from pitching tents or erecting banners." [url]http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=686012&vId=[/url] [editline]7th December 2011[/editline] Haven't we already established that it was [i]NOT[/i] a costume? It was a real tent, the one she was living in, and she "wore" it thinking police wouldn't touch her. Using your example, this would be like the woman waltzing around the park with her "pet" lion on a leash.[/QUOTE] Okay, now show me where she had pitched her tent, or erected a banned.
[QUOTE=Jookia;33605736]Finally, you found a quote that I said to try and use against me. Good job. My sentence implies that laws are laws, and you as a member of society have a duty to obey them. I never said anything about disobeying people who enforce the law.[/QUOTE] I think he got the quotes mixed up. I said that. :v:
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605777]In the case of the tents, the woman knew she was breaking a law, knew there were consequences to breaking said law, and refused an officer's orders to cease breaking the law.[/QUOTE] STOP, SPESS! You're using reason! You can't do that when an issue like this is built on a sensationalism! I mean, look at the videos of the incident in the OP: "Tent Protest Costume [b]Violently[/b] Stripped from Protester's Body" and "Sara Tent Monster [b]Brutal[/b] Vision". And the title of this very thread: "Police [b]rip[/b] clothes off female ‘Occupy Melbourne’ protester". They violently and brutally ripped her tent off her body! LIKE WILD BEASTS OF THE JUNGLE, MAN!
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33605868]Okay, now show me where she had pitched her tent, or erected a banned.[/QUOTE] Sure, here you go. First fifteen seconds: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMwigI3mdM[/media]
In the first video I thought they were pulling her shirt so it looked big, then I thought she was wearing a trash bag. I watch the second video and she's actually wearing a tent. What the hell?
Oh by the way, listen to the start of this. She actually denies to change clothes. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtwuGAOR9a4[/media]
This sounds like the opening scene to many porn movies.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605777]I asked if it's okay to ignore direct orders from law enforcement officials just because you're protesting, knowing you are violating a law. I never said that everyone must comply with an officer's orders 100% of the time. It's called sound judgement. If someone is walking down the street whistling doing absolutely nothing wrong and a cop ordered them to take off their clothes because there was a report of a "man with a tatoo on his back robbing people" in the area, and the cop wanted to see if you were the guy, I can understand why someone would refuse the officer's request (here in the States, you would refuse on the grounds that it would constitute an unwarranted search in violation of the Fourth Amendment). In the case of the tents, the woman knew she was breaking a law, knew there were consequences to breaking said law, and refused an officer's orders to cease breaking the law.[/QUOTE] I would imagine that it's sound judgement not to strip someone in public. Wait, didn't we already agree with this...? I'm pretty sure the consequences of breaking a law don't include "getting forcefully stripped and left naked in public". [QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605883]Sure, here you go. First fifteen seconds: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMwigI3mdM[/url][/QUOTE] Seems to me like they were waiting in those tents for the police to arrive, making it look like someone had set up tents, but then popped their head and limbs from it. That's like something you'd see from Jackass. It's a prank. [QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33605881]STOP, SPESS! You're using reason! You can't do that when an issue like this is built on a sensationalism! I mean, look at the videos of the incident in the OP: "Tent Protest Costume [b]Violently[/b] Stripped from Protester's Body" and "Sara Tent Monster [b]Brutal[/b] Vision". And the title of this very thread: "Police [b]rip[/b] clothes off female ‘Occupy Melbourne’ protester". They violently and brutally ripped her tent off her body! LIKE WILD BEASTS OF THE JUNGLE, MAN![/QUOTE] So I take it you've been surrounded by people, kept from leaving, had your clothes painfully torn off, and left naked in a public place? And thus can tell that it's actually harmless and totally not sexual assault? Oh? What's that you say? You haven't? Then shut the fuck up.
Those idiots are shouting assault, they just want to make a scene. The whole tent monster bullshit is a scene.
[QUOTE=Last or First;33606087]So I take it you've been surrounded by people, kept from leaving, had your clothes painfully torn off, and left naked in a public place?[/quote] Nope. Because I have sense and my wits about me to know better than to do something stupid like this in the first place. Oh, and could you possibly tone down the dramatics, please? She willingly went out and did this, refused to leave the park once she got there, refused to remove her tent (not her clothes, FYI), had it unzipped and removed (as best as one can remove a tent someone's trying to wear), and was NOT left naked (she had what looked like a bikini on). [QUOTE=Last or First;33606087]And thus can tell that it's actually harmless and totally not sexual assault?[/quote] Yep. Did you not see that the female officers were the ones actually removing the tent from her and touching her during the entire process? [QUOTE=Last or First;33606087]Oh? What's that you say? You haven't? Then shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] Someone's a bit presumptuous. Presumptuous and angry.:v:
[QUOTE=Jookia;33605846]Don't leave me hanging bro, I'm still waiting on why you lied about me saying something:[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, I get confused with all the stupid posts they just meld into one [img]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/112075.png?garryis=awesome[/img]
[QUOTE=Contag;33606160]I'm sorry, I get confused with all the stupid posts they just meld into one [img]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/112075.png?garryis=awesome[/img][/QUOTE] All I'm saying is that the law is needed to be an actual functioning society. The police officers are separate entities from the law.
[QUOTE=Last or First;33606087]I would imagine that it's sound judgement not to strip someone in public. Wait, didn't we already agree with this...? I'm pretty sure the consequences of breaking a law don't include "getting forcefully stripped and left naked in public". Seems to me like they were waiting in those tents for the police to arrive, making it look like someone had set up tents, but then popped their head and limbs from it. That's like something you'd see from Jackass. It's a prank. So I take it you've been surrounded by people, kept from leaving, had your clothes painfully torn off, and left naked in a public place? And thus can tell that it's actually harmless and totally not sexual assault? Oh? What's that you say? You haven't? Then shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE] since you've been the most vehement defender of this stupid chick, please respond to the above video where she fucking refuses an offer from police to change her clothes all your arguments on morality and everything, gone, in one video. [editline]6th December 2011[/editline] you also get more and more sensationalist and retarded. "i take it you've been surrounded by people, kept from leaving, had your clothes painfully torn off, and left naked in a public place?" what, were the cops not supposed to approach her? she refused to leave, she wasn't kept from leaving. sure, they might have barely hurt her when they took the costume off because she refused to do it herself. just like cops will hurt you when you refuse to cooperate with them during any other altercation. and she wasn't naked, she was almost naked. she refused fucking clothing.
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;33606190]since you've been the most vehement defender of this stupid chick, please respond to the above video where she fucking refuses an offer from police to change her clothes all your arguments on morality and everything, gone, in one video.[/QUOTE] just because she's a dumbarse doesn't mean the police should sink to her level disregarding that council bylaws are fucking demented and local government is absent from our constitution, they should have detained her and taken off the tent privately. of course they didn't because state police can't detain someone for violating bylaws IIRC
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33605333]Well in that case the child would have simply been asked to leave. And if the kid refuses, the guy would call the police to remove an unwanted guest from his private residence. Your example isn't very fitting at all.[/QUOTE] And where in your "solutions" do the police rip the costume off the kid. It's perfectly fitting and an abuse of power. The thing is the adult wouldn't get away with it. More fitting than Garry's I'm not saying FUK DA POLICE or that the girl was in the right (granted I think they should have the right to protest anyways but again how many previous ones were legal?). All that I'm saying is the [B]cops should've handled this differently[/B] (like taking her away to jail or to a private area before removing the tent, which functioned as her clothes, and then giving her something to wear).
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;33603504]She wore a tent, purposely knowing that if she had one at the protest it would be taken from her. Now shes bitching because the police didn't put up with her bullshit excuse that it was clothing.[/QUOTE] since when have police officers been able to rip what some one is wearing off? Even if it's not clothes, that doesn't mean shit
[QUOTE=Last or First;33606087]I would imagine that it's sound judgement not to strip someone in public. Wait, didn't we already agree with this...? I'm pretty sure the consequences of breaking a law don't include "getting forcefully stripped and left naked in public".[/quote] Yeah we already agreed that the officers did a very poor job at handling the situation. I never said the consequences were appropriate. If you follow the quote chain, I was defending my statement about disobeying police orders. In that specific argument, the severity of the consequences was irrevelent, as the argument was over whether or not people should disobey police orders. [QUOTE=Last or First;33606087]Seems to me like they were waiting in those tents for the police to arrive, making it look like someone had set up tents, but then popped their head and limbs from it. That's like something you'd see from Jackass. It's a prank. [/quote] We did, however, already establish that the tents were in fact real tents, the ones they were living in: [url]http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8385504/police-leave-protester-crying-in-her-underwear[/url]
[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;33606190]leaving. sure, they might have barely hurt her when they took the costume off because she refused to do it herself. just like cops will hurt you when you refuse to cooperate with them during any other altercation. and she wasn't naked, she was almost naked. she refused fucking clothing.[/QUOTE] Thats what it was a costume, they can't forcibly rip it off her for protesting. This is like the girl who wore the vietnam bracelets in the 60's, the police and school tried to get her to stop wearing and distributing them.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;33606220]And where in your "solutions" do the police rip the costume off the kid. It's perfectly fitting and an abuse of power. The thing is the adult wouldn't get away with it. More fitting than Garry's I'm not saying FUK DA POLICE or that the girl was in the right (granted I think they should have the right to protest anyways but again how many previous ones were legal?). All that I'm saying is the [B]cops should've handled this differently[/B] (like taking her away to jail or to a private area before removing the tent, which functioned as her clothes, and then giving her something to wear).[/QUOTE] I agree. And since we don't know all the facts, all we can do is speculate as to why this didn't happen. Were the cops being assholes who got fed up with putting up with having to deal with the protesters all day? Did the protesters block the police and prevent them from moving the woman and her huge tent to a private area?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33606296]Yeah we already agreed that the officers did a very poor job at handling the situation. I never said the consequences were appropriate. If you follow the quote chain, I was defending my statement about disobeying police orders. In that specific argument, the severity of the consequences was irrevelent, as the argument was over whether or not people should disobey police orders. [/QUOTE] So any police order at all you should mindlessly obey. Even if it's from the most corrupt police officer ever, if one exists? For example: you are driving in your car, by yourself. A police officer pulls you over in his car, tells you to get out of the vehicle, and then to "bend over." Guess where it goes from there. But he's a police officer and you should do everything he tells you to do ever :downs: [quote]Did the protesters block the police and prevent them from moving the woman? [/quote] That is no excuse at all. Start arresting the others or "asking them to move out of the way" (kindly ask the kid to leave the party). Though yes we don't know the entire story.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;33606328]So any police order at all you should mindlessly obey. Even if it's from the most corrupt police officer ever, if one exists? For example: you are driving in your car, by yourself. A police officer pulls you over in his car, tells you to get out of the vehicle, and then to "bend over." Guess where it goes from there. But he's a police officer and you should do everything he tells you to do ever :downs:[/QUOTE] Did you even [i]read[/i] what my post was in response to? I addressed literally that very point. Go back and read what I said very carefully before accusing me of being a "mindless sheep."
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