• A Day Without a Woman Strike: March 8 2017
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3 of 5 of my classes are taught by women and actually it'd be pretty swell to get those classes off today shiiiit maybe I'll take $3,500 or whatever the going rate is and join the protests myself
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51930693]3 of 5 of my classes are taught by women and actually it'd be pretty swell to get those classes off today shiiiit maybe I'll take $3,500 or whatever the going rate is and join the protests myself[/QUOTE] I work full time protesting the injustice-laden system and I also get benefits and dental
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51930592]americans can strike now, they just need to do so in significant enough numbers that it would actually get things done. you want change in your country? get all of the truck drivers, airport baggage handlers, tollbooth operators, and deliverymen to strike and you'd probably cripple the country to begin with it was often illegal to be a member of a trade union in the early industrial era - they didn't kindly petition politicians to get the right to do so - they went out and actually caused some ruckus unless they got what they deserved from their employers[/QUOTE] Yeah and that wont happen when the people who you are calling on to strike literally cannot balance their books if they miss even one day of work. They need some manner of support from the government, in the form of laws protecting their right to strike and making it far too difficult for employers to just can them and hire replacements, before they will consider doing anything. Keeping their family fed, literally, is more important to them.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51930742]Yeah and that wont happen when the people who you are calling on to strike literally cannot balance their books if they miss even one day of work.[/QUOTE] Our forebearers did it probably with black lung too edit: You added more so I'll add more. I think a lot of it actually isn't down to feasibility, but will. American workers generally just have a history of not being near as militant as those in Europe, and we can drastically see this when it comes to labor laws, despite conditions not really being dissimilar for workers. As to why though??? I'm not entirely sure, I'd like to blame the American dream t b h
Beyond maternity leave, what's the effect of job choice when it comes to the wage gap? Has there ever been strong studies that compare within the same field (hell even the same companies and same positions)? Its so nuanced that both sides seem to always cite the same generalized information of the magic "~70%" without looking at the nitty gritty stuff like materinity leave and job choice.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51930036]It's because women's life choices (namely getting pregnant/raising kids) is why they EARN less. This isn't the company treating them discriminatory at all. Could businesses use improvements? Always. But lying about a nonexistent wage gap doesn't accomplish that.[/QUOTE] That just tells me paid maternity leave ought to be a thing.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51930769]That just tells me paid maternity leave ought to be a thing.[/QUOTE] Paid maternity leave isn't enforced here but there is Maternity Benefit and paid maternity leave is a thing depending on what contract a worker gets.
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51930766]As someone unfamiliar with certain worker's rights, what's the federal (or state-by-state) stance on maternity leave?[/QUOTE] I know that paternity leave is given far less often than maternity leave, but you won't find anyone talking about that because all men are privileged!!!
[QUOTE=krail9;51930601]where is this so called evidence that the wage gap is a myth? why is it that the shittiest, most bigoted opinions show up in any thread about gender equality? this thread is a fucking disaster I honestly thought fp was better than this[/QUOTE] Ah geez, sorry people don't agree with you. Can everyone change their opinion to agree with Krail9's so he won't be disappointed in us any more? :(
[QUOTE=krail9;51930601]where is this so called evidence that the wage gap is a myth? why is it that the shittiest, most bigoted opinions show up in any thread about gender equality? this thread is a fucking disaster I honestly thought fp was better than this how warped is your worldview that you would blame the demonstrators for that instead of the companies that choose to do it? how can you change something you believe is wrong without breaking the rules of those who are enforcing it?[/QUOTE] Take a load of yourself, sir (madam?). What proof do you base upon your view in favor of wage gap's existance?
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51930766]Beyond maternity leave, what's the effect of job choice when it comes to the wage gap? Has there ever been strong studies that compare within the same field (hell even the same companies and same positions)? Its so nuanced that both sides seem to always cite the same generalized information of the magic "~70%" without looking at the nitty gritty stuff like materinity leave and job choice.[/QUOTE] There have been. In equivalent positions, accounting for most factors the gap is closer to 93-95% of what men make. 5-7% couldn't be accounted for. [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jul/15/politifact-sheet-gender-pay-gap/[/url] Oddly enough if you use the old wage gap method, women in their 20's out earn men, and then it drops off sharply after that.
[QUOTE=geel9;51929848]If you harm my ethically-run business in protest of unethical businesses, you're a piece of shit.[/QUOTE] It's obviously not ethically ran if your workers are striking
Personally, after 3 months without a woman I'll have to tap out from dehydration
[QUOTE=sannys;51930794]I know that paternity leave is given far less often than maternity leave, but you won't find anyone talking about that because all men are privileged!!![/QUOTE] why does sexism against men invalidate sexism against women? it's pretty obvious that women carry a far larger burden with both child birth and child care so yeah, it's logical that maternity leave is more common and/or has more benefits. ideally both parents and even adoptive same-sex couples should get time off to care for their child (as it is in most developed countries), but why don't you start with baby steps so that women don't have to choose between their job and their basic health and wellbeing? [QUOTE=Rebi;51930805]Ah geez, sorry people don't agree with you. Can everyone change their opinion to agree with Krail9's so he won't be disappointed in us any more? :([/QUOTE] can everyone change their opinion if it's completely unfounded and actively harmful to real people? what a whiny baby I am for finding something wrong with baselessly disregarding equality issues and snide remarks about people losing their jobs! maybe you could back up those statements about the 'wage gap myth' like I asked, because your post is the one that contributes nothing to the discussion?
[QUOTE=krail9;51930855]why does sexism against men invalidate sexism against women?[/QUOTE] It doesn't, nor did I say it did. [quote]it's pretty obvious that women carry a far larger burden with both child birth and child care so yeah, it's logical that maternity leave is more common and/or has more benefits. ideally both parents and even adoptive same-sex couples should get time off to care for their child (as it is in most developed countries), but why don't you start with baby steps so that women don't have to choose between their job and their basic health and wellbeing?[/quote]These aren't babysteps. This is completely glossing over the struggles that men face in America. It doesn't fit the narrative, so no one talks about it. No one gives a fuck about men. It's all "women's rights". Not a single mention of men's rights. [I]Not a single fucking one.[/I] They don't want equality. They really could not care less. They want their ideals put in place, and nothing else. If everything this organization wanted was suddenly granted, they'd be preaching about how they've achieved equality.
[URL="http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/"]NOTE: I am aware this applies to Ireland mostly but[/URL] here is an incredibly well researched article all should read that says: [QUOTE]But we can dispell a couple of myths, at this stage. Firstly, the gender pay gap isn’t really about discrimination. In the relatively rare cases where it is, an employer is breaking the law. Women don’t earn less than men simply by virtue of being women. The causes are complex, and often strongly related to a woman’s gender, but gender is not in itself the cause, generally speaking. Equally though, the gender pay gap is a real phenomenon, contrary to the commonly-expressed view that it is a “myth” (this is, itself, a kind of myth). Even when you account for the greater number of hours that men work, on average the hourly wages of women are less than those of men – across various types of job, whether part-time or full-time, and across all age groups. It is real, and pervasive. But it’s not uniformly pervasive. As this article has shown, age in particular matters a great deal, with younger women earning almost as much as younger men, while the gender gap stretches to between 20% and 30% for women in their 50s and 60s. For certain occupations (particularly the very low-paid types of jobs included in “elementary occupations” in the Eurostat data), the gap is desperately wide, with women earning almost one quarter less than their men. On the other hand, women who work full time earn, by comparison, only 6% less than men who work full time.[/QUOTE] This is very important to read first before talking about the pay gap.
[QUOTE=sannys;51930898]Not a single mention of men's rights. [I]Not a single fucking one.[/I] They don't want equality. They really could not care less. They want their ideals put in place, and nothing else. If everything this organization wanted was suddenly granted, they'd be preaching about how they've achieved equality.[/QUOTE] You should go do something about it rather than taking pot shots at feminism.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51930929]You should go do something about it rather taking pot shots at feminism.[/QUOTE] I don't have the power to influence social media on a national level, so that's not going to happen. As long as feminism along with its ~GIRL POWER~ attitude remains as one of the top focuses in this country, men's rights are completely eclipsed, and in some cases, even looked down upon because men are considered privileged when compared to women. That's like telling a democrat to go out and vote when he lives in Texas, as if his vote is actually going to do anything LOL.
[QUOTE=sannys;51930898]It doesn't, nor did I say it did. These aren't babysteps. This is completely glossing over the struggles that men face in America. It doesn't fit the narrative, so no one talks about it. No one gives a fuck about men. It's all "women's rights". Not a single mention of men's rights. [I]Not a single fucking one.[/I] They don't want equality. They really could not care less. They want their ideals put in place, and nothing else. If everything this organization wanted was suddenly granted, they'd be preaching about how they've achieved equality.[/QUOTE] they're allowed to pick their battles though... that's akin to saying they're invalid because they don't care about clean water in africa, world peace, and every other social issue as well? but you're right, often online, mens rights issues are quickly shot down. it's because those mens rights issues are constantly brought up by assholes to belittle or invalidate womens rights issues in every discussion. just as extreme 'tumblr feminazis' are used as a strawman against feminism, extreme sexist MRA douches are used as a strawman against mens rights. it just perpetuates this men vs. women narrative that only galvanises those extremists against each other the problem is how hard it is to have a civil discussion about it, where people can acknowledge and appreciate the issues both men and women face. now tell me whether this... [QUOTE]I know that paternity leave is given far less often than maternity leave, but you won't find anyone talking about that because all men are privileged!!! [/QUOTE] ...is going to improve that situation, bearing in mind its in the context of [I]international women's day[/I] here
[QUOTE=sannys;51930953]That's like telling a democrat to go out and vote when he lives in Texas, as if his vote is actually going to do anything LOL.[/QUOTE] Yeah I don't think that's really the same at all. Feminism isn't really your foe here, the patriarchy and the wider gender roles are.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;51930105]If you cared about the fair compensation of workers beyond tokenism you'd try and accommodate your employees decision to strike as much as possible.[/QUOTE] I get your point on solidarity and all, but this is basically asking (potentially ethical) businesses (who might be doing absolutely nothing wrong) to support employees wasting company time.
It's like people forget that you can care about more than one thing.
[QUOTE=sannys;51930953]I don't have the power to influence social media on a national level, so that's not going to happen. As long as feminism along with its ~GIRL POWER~ attitude remains as one of the top focuses in this country, men's rights are completely eclipsed, and in some cases, even looked down upon because men are considered privileged when compared to women. That's like telling a democrat to go out and vote when he lives in Texas, as if his vote is actually going to do anything LOL.[/QUOTE] It's this attitude that kills progress dead in its tracks. Hillary got 45℅ of the vote in Texas by the way, these things are not insurmountable. Seriously. I'm a dude, it'd be great to have a rational intellectual movement talking about men's issues, or, hell, more discussion of it within feminism. But all we really have are MRAs and whatnot making fools of themselves on the internet. Though, I will at least say that feminism's goals do address men's issues, at least indirectly. "Patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity," when you break them down, are really just roundabout ways of talking about gender roles, which are the cause of most men's issues, and feminists tend to be against gender roles, as their elimination is the only way to solve this issues long-term.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;51930840]It's obviously not ethically ran if your workers are striking[/QUOTE] The [b]entire point of this strike[/b] is that it's supposed to be "all women" striking, irrespective of the ethics and compensation of their actual employer.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51930920][URL="http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/"]NOTE: I am aware this applies to Ireland mostly but[/URL] here is an incredibly well researched article all should read that says: This is very important to read first before talking about the pay gap.[/QUOTE] What is this? Getting informed about a topic before arguing about a topic? That is so last century. [editline]8th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;51930929]You should go do something about it rather than taking pot shots at feminism.[/QUOTE] Trying to do something about is impossible when meetings to discuss issues get shut down by angry feminists
[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51931361]What is this? Getting informed about a topic before arguing about a topic? That is so last century. [editline]8th March 2017[/editline] Trying to do something about is impossible when meetings to discuss issues get shut down by angry feminists[/QUOTE] What "meetings" are you even going to.
[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;51931403]none, but he saw a lady screaming on youtube once and he's an expert. trust me, he's totally in touch with the concerns of the average feminist and knows how much of a lost cause having discourse is.[/QUOTE] I mentioned male suicide rates to a feminist once and she pulled out a rope, handed it me, and said "make the world a better place and increase the statistic, misogynist." Never again
[QUOTE=Chonch;51930671]The work day has started over here in middle USA. Parking lot is actually surprisingly empty. Will update with the women I don't see.[/QUOTE] Update: nobody cared
[QUOTE=Chonch;51931531]Update: nobody cared[/QUOTE] By your own admission don't you live in a red state
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51931574]By your own admission don't you live in a red state[/QUOTE] I live in Ohio and all I've seen on Facebook (truly the pinnacle of being in the know in modern times) is people talking about how they're wearing red shirts to stand with the women striking. Even though the whole point is that striking is what you do to stand with them.
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