• A Day Without a Woman Strike: March 8 2017
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[QUOTE=geel9;51931583]I live in Ohio and all I've seen on Facebook (truly the pinnacle of being in the know in modern times) is people talking about how they're wearing red shirts to stand with the women striking. Even though the whole point is that striking is what you do to stand with them.[/QUOTE] If you read the website, they encourage red for solidarity for women who cannot strike. Not everyone is in a position where they can.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51931606]If you read the website, they encourage red for solidarity for women who cannot strike. Not everyone is in a position where they can.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. My criticism of the strike as a whole hasn't changed but that's valid.
It just goes to show how normalized worker exploitation is in America that even something as simple as a strike is met with scorn and derision.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51931418]I mentioned male suicide rates to a feminist once and she pulled out a rope, handed it me, and said "make the world a better place and increase the statistic, misogynist." Never again[/QUOTE] holy shit how do you call that person a feminist, that goes right into misandrist territory.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51931722]It just goes to show how normalized worker exploitation is in America that even something as simple as a strike is met with scorn and derision.[/QUOTE] Strikes are not inherently good. If your strike is based on absurd premises and is affecting people who have done absolutely nothing wrong, it's a stupid fucking strike and deserves scorn.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51931728]holy shit how do you call that person a feminist, that goes right into misandrist territory.[/QUOTE] I-I think he was being sarcastic. I-i hope...
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51931735]I-I think he was being sarcastic. I-i hope...[/QUOTE] I hope too because that sounds like something right out of a satire. ...and satire is leaking into reality.
[QUOTE=geel9;51931733]Strikes are not inherently good. If your strike is based on absurd premises and is affecting people who have done absolutely nothing wrong, it's a stupid fucking strike and deserves scorn.[/QUOTE] Can you explain why this strike meets that criteria?
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51931743]Can you explain why this strike meets that criteria?[/QUOTE] It's directly harming employers who have done absolutely nothing inherently wrong. There is no process for determining which employers are unjustly compensating their employees and thus should be worked against. It simply makes the assumption that any and every business -- small, medium, or large -- is unjustly treating its female employees and thus it deserves to be harmed. This, of course, simply cannot be true. If you have evidence of a specific organization unjustly compensating its employees, then absolutely work against that corporation to the end that they begin fairly compensating their employees. Harming employers who have absolutely nothing to do with any of this is not a logical way to go about this.
[QUOTE=geel9;51931753]It's directly harming employers who have done absolutely nothing inherently wrong. There is no process for determining which employers are unjustly compensating their employees and thus should be worked against. It simply makes the assumption that any and every business -- small, medium, or large -- is unjustly treating its female employees and thus it deserves to be harmed. This, of course, simply cannot be true. If you have evidence of a specific organization unjustly compensating its employees, then absolutely work against that corporation to the end that they begin fairly compensating their employees. Harming employers who have absolutely nothing to do with any of this is not a logical way to go about this.[/QUOTE] Strikes are supposed to be inconvenient. That is how strikes work. There is no strike in the history of labor that did not affect people who weren't involved, and there is no strike that isn't stupid under your narrow definition. An ethical business would be standing with the strikers.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51931574]By your own admission don't you live in a red state[/QUOTE] This cycle, yes. Iowa flip flops every few years. I don't see how that has any bearing on women though.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51931940] An ethical business would be standing with the strikers.[/QUOTE] According to your incredibly warped ethical guidelines, sure, I guess. Many ethical businesses also [b]simply could not afford[/b] to stand with those striking.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51931739]I hope too because that sounds like something right out of a satire. ...and satire is leaking into reality.[/QUOTE] As a feminist I too make sure to carry rope at all times for when you disgusting manpigs want to express your chronic desire to dominate women
[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;51931403]none, but he saw a lady screaming on youtube once and he's an expert. trust me, he's totally in touch with the concerns of the average feminist and knows how much of a lost cause having discourse is.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;uBYa__A5nHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBYa__A5nHo[/video] [video=youtube;vbP90UcyK_M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbP90UcyK_M[/video] [video=youtube;iARHCxAMAO0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0[/video] [video=youtube;GO_X4DkwA_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_X4DkwA_Q[/video]
If a single strike fucks over your business then it must be a shitty business or you don't have a solid relationship with your staff. I'm pretty sure these things are meant to affect bigger business. I don't know how it is in your country, but where I live, people who work at small business and stores never go on strikes because the staff is so small and their responsabilities are so huge, skipping work isn't possible. At the same time, small business can't afford to discriminante so wage gap in these places isn't very common. Small business, at the least here, are run by people who think about their staff. You can't afford your staff to feel uncomfortable with you otherwise you're fucked. So the less reasons you give them to go on strike the better. I highly doubt that a girl who works at a small dinner with very small staff, would go on strike. Support the movement? Yes. Skip work? Not if her employer pays decently. Big business are a completely different game. Big business, unlike small business , are owned by several people and managers often don't give a fuck about staff or their wellbeing. Big business can afford to give less payments to people, fire people for no reason and discriminate all they want. If someone worked for a shitty company, which paid her less and treated her inhumanly, of course they will go on strike. "Well, nice, more vacants" If a company is shitty enough that their employees don't mind skipping work, then it's probably not a nice place to work in. Not saying that companies are bad. It's just that it's easier for people in there to give less of a fuck about wages. In a small business, giving shit wages to your employees and discriminating them is pretty much like shooting yourself in the foot. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen though. Been in several small business with retarded rules like "we don't want women because they talk tío much" Funnily enough, most of them rarely prosper. Stop thinking that every person who goes on strike is a lazy person. Not every business owner is a single man whose income feeds their 3 children family and if that were the case they wouldn't be fucking over their workers then. There as much as shitty employees as there are shitty owners and bosses.
[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51932109][video=youtube;uBYa__A5nHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBYa__A5nHo[/video] [video=youtube;vbP90UcyK_M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbP90UcyK_M[/video] [video=youtube;iARHCxAMAO0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0[/video] [video=youtube;GO_X4DkwA_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_X4DkwA_Q[/video][/QUOTE] I didn't know 4 youtube videos represent the whole of the feminism movement Lol you literally just proved what waffle cones said
[QUOTE=Crooky14;51932252]I didn't know 4 youtube videos represent the whole of the feminism movement Lol you literally just proved what waffle cones said[/QUOTE] Should I post more? What kind of evidence do you want me to post that you would accept that trying to bring mens issues to be discussed and tried to solved is not accepted by feminists? If the real feminists would be against such practices, how come they don't speak up in support of men who try to get their issues discussed in public?
[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51932508]Should I post more? What kind of evidence do you want me to post that you would accept that trying to bring mens issues to be discussed and tried to solved is not accepted by feminists? If the real feminists would be against such practices, how come they don't speak up in support of men who try to get their issues discussed in public?[/QUOTE] Not every feminist is a loud mouth sjw shouting about how all men are misogynists. Feminism means the equality of genders, not that women are superior. Men can be feminists as well. You can't base your point of view of feminism off youtube videos, you have to go out and speak to them yourself
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;51929654]The assumption that this strike action will make women worse off through job losses is useless cynicism which only serves to entrench the power of employers to deny workers just compensation and is dismissive of their legitimate concerns in regards to women's rights[/QUOTE] This. It's sad when anti-worker, anti-union, anti-strike sentiments filter down from corporate culture and business owners to the regular American...even on FP. I'm honestly shocked at the "heh, dumbasses" sentiments from some of my fellow FPers in this thread... Workers movements are essential for the collective increase in wages and benefits for [I]all[/I] workers. If you give a fuck about working conditions, you should support shit like this.
[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51932508]Should I post more? What kind of evidence do you want me to post that you would accept that trying to bring mens issues to be discussed and tried to solved is not accepted by feminists? If the real feminists would be against such practices, how come they don't speak up in support of men who try to get their issues discussed in public?[/QUOTE] "women are disproportionately the victims of domestic violence, face systemic discrimination in workplaces and education, are frequently denied vital healthcare by governments, and are treated as chattel or executed for being raped in many countries around the world" "but hey look, videos of people being crazy!"
[QUOTE=1239the;51932689]"women are disproportionately the victims of domestic violence, face systemic discrimination in workplaces and education, are frequently denied vital healthcare by governments, and are treated as chattel or executed for being raped in many countries around the world" "but hey look, videos of people being crazy!"[/QUOTE] "Lel, women in the U.S. need to shut the fuck up because women in Muslim countries get beaten and raped on the reg." These fucking mouth-breathers come out of the woodwork and suddenly give a fuck about "MUSLIM WOMEN" when in reality they're just using them as a cheap tool to discredit women's movements in the U.S.
[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51932508]Should I post more? What kind of evidence do you want me to post that you would accept that trying to bring mens issues to be discussed and tried to solved is not accepted by feminists? If the real feminists would be against such practices, how come they don't speak up in support of men who try to get their issues discussed in public?[/QUOTE] Go outside and speak to an actual woman. Chances are they're probably a feminist. I can sort of empathise, I didn't care that much about women's issues when I was a virgin either [editline]8th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=HappyCompy;51932687]This. It's sad when anti-worker, anti-union, anti-strike sentiments filter down from corporate culture and business owners to the regular American...even on FP. I'm honestly shocked at the "heh, dumbasses" sentiments from some of my fellow FPers in this thread... Workers movements are essential for the collective increase in wages and benefits for [I]all[/I] workers. If you give a fuck about working conditions, you should support shit like this.[/QUOTE] It might be my European sensibilities but I'm always amazed/appalled at how staunchly anti-strike people are around here. I do wonder if maybe it's less about strikes and more about women going on strike, which I dunno, kinda justifies women going on strike
[QUOTE=geel9;51932007]According to your incredibly warped ethical guidelines, sure, I guess. Many ethical businesses also [b]simply could not afford[/b] to stand with those striking.[/QUOTE] No-one has said that striking does not hurt. It hurts everyone. It hurts businesses, who lose money because they cannot function. It hurts clients, because businesses cannot deliver their product or service to them. And it hurts the workers, as they have to forgo their pay. The entire point of a strike is to make the demands of the strikers look like the least painful option. It's drastic, sure, but it is one of the few ways workers can wield their collective power to improve their situation. If you were running an ethical business, you'd know that and try to accommodate for it.
[QUOTE=Doozle;51932742]Go outside and speak to an actual woman. Chances are they're probably a feminist. I can sort of empathise, I didn't care that much about women's issues when I was a virgin either [editline]8th March 2017[/editline] It might be my European sensibilities [B]but I'm always amazed/appalled at how staunchly anti-strike people are around here. [/B]I do wonder if maybe it's less about strikes and more about women going on strike, which I dunno, kinda justifies women going on strike[/QUOTE] I really envy the pro-labor atmosphere and general leftward slant (relative to the US) that you guys enjoy across the pond (to include other European countries as well). Centre-right/Far-right policies and politicians are cancer, and yet they are the norm here (if it wasn't for FDR who knows if we'd even have Social Security). A combination of a political system hostile to third parties, a long, disgraceful history of political repression of leftists, and a culture deeply distrustful of government are the things I most contribute to the weak/non-existant socialist prescence in the U.S. As evidenced in this thread, pro-business, anti-worker beliefs are just part of our culture, unfortunately. (For reference, [B]only 10.8% of all workers in the U.S. are unionized [/B][I]as of 2013[/I]).
[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;51933147]i don't get what this post does other than prove me right[/QUOTE] carnolf kinda just argues off a script, once he goes through the generic steps hes done
Imagine living in a society where people made out asking for better working conditions was a bad thing.
Asked my feminist friend how the strike went. She replied "What strike?" and then "oh right. Didnt participate because I need my job"
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;51933044]No-one has said that striking does not hurt. It hurts everyone. It hurts businesses, who lose money because they cannot function. It hurts clients, because businesses cannot deliver their product or service to them. And it hurts the workers, as they have to forgo their pay. The entire point of a strike is to make the demands of the strikers look like the least painful option. It's drastic, sure, but it is one of the few ways workers can wield their collective power to improve their situation. If you were running an ethical business, you'd know that and try to accommodate for it.[/QUOTE] And [b]what are the fucking demands?[/b] "Women!" is not a demand. What policy do they want instituted that they will not stop striking until they get? What the fuck are they even proposing?
[QUOTE=geel9;51934030]And [b]what are the fucking demands?[/b] "Women!" is not a demand. What policy do they want instituted that they will not stop striking until they get? What the fuck are they even proposing?[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.womensmarch.com/march-8th-faq[/url] [quote][B]Q: What is the goal of A Day Without a Woman?[/B] A: The goal is to highlight the economic power and significance that women have in the US and global economies, while calling attention to the economic injustices women and gender nonconforming people continue to face. We play an indispensable role in the daily functions of life in all of society, through paid & unpaid, seen & unseen labor. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes. We must free ourselves and our society from the constant awarding of power, agency and resources disproportionately to masculinity, to the exclusion of others. We must end the hiring discrimination that women, particularly mothers, women of color, women with disabilities, Indigenous women, lesbian, queer and trans women still face each day in our nation. We believe that creating workforce opportunities that reduce discrimination against women and mothers allow economies to thrive. Nations and industries that support and invest in caregiving and basic workplace protections—including benefits like paid family leave, access to affordable childcare, sick days, healthcare, fair pay, vacation time, and healthy work environments—have shown growth and increased capacity. We believe in Gender Justice and the protection of the human rights of gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans, Two-Spirit and gender nonconforming people. We believe in an economy powered by transparency, accountability, security and equity. We believe that all workers must have the right to organize and fight for a living minimum wage, and that unions and other labor associations are critical to a healthy and thriving economy for all. Undocumented and migrant, farm workers and domestic workers must be included in our labor protections, and we stand in full solidarity with the sex workers’ rights movement. We recognize that exploitation for sex and labor in all forms is a violation of human rights. [/quote]
so how many women are going to get fired tomorrow, just like the day without an immigrant march?
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