• A Day Without a Woman Strike: March 8 2017
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[QUOTE=Pascall;51934498]Do you realize how stupid this post sounds even without the context of gender identity.[/QUOTE] How do you not ban these people. It would be a really bad idea to make me a mod in the first place, but [I]holy shit[/I] if I was. Ever thought of being a youth counselor?
[QUOTE=Sonador;51935835]How do you not ban these people. It would be a really bad idea to make me a mod in the first place, but [I]holy shit[/I] if I was. Ever thought of being a youth counselor?[/QUOTE] the mod's code includes no bans in threads you've contributed to
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51935885]the mod's code includes no bans in threads you've contributed to[/QUOTE] Oh. That's... actually really prudent.
[QUOTE=justinl132;51934687]Why don't you give me a crash course on This stuff?[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity[/url] [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=-nesto-;51934397]Ey, I assumed it was a part of that fluid genderqueer pansexual attack helicopter tumblr shit. Of course I'm not gonna look it up.[/QUOTE] "I learned everything I ever needed to know about gender identity on the_donald"
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51935885]the mod's code includes no bans in threads you've contributed to[/QUOTE] I've seen a mod do this though, baited someone into saying something out of context and then banned them for it. Must be an optional rule.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51935902]"I learned everything I ever needed to know about gender identity on the_donald"[/QUOTE] Spoliers, he's baiting. Don't let him derail the thread.
[QUOTE=th0rianite;51935918]I've seen a mod do this though, baited someone into saying something out of context and then banned them for it. Must be an optional rule.[/QUOTE] like most codes of honor, not everyone follows it.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51935955]like most codes of honor, not everyone follows it.[/QUOTE] It's like the witcher code
[QUOTE=Sonador;51935835]How do you not ban these people. It would be a really bad idea to make me a mod in the first place, but [I]holy shit[/I] if I was. Ever thought of being a youth counselor?[/QUOTE] I actually spent three years working in an afterschool program with elementary aged kids in inner city schools so I think that's where I get my patience from lmao. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] As for that code: I generally give people a chance to shut up or I try to at least get them to settle the hell down. Other mods aren't so nice! If someone's being especially stupid tho I will ban them, even if I am talking to them, it's just a rare thing since I generally don't engage in arguments here very often. ANYWAY THO back on topic.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51935827]10.8% too many tbh.[/QUOTE] why's that too much? an extremely low rate of unionization is a bad thing for a country and her economy
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51935827]10.8% too many tbh.[/QUOTE] How is unionization bad??
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51935827]10.8% too many tbh.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty shocked at the attitude a lot of posters across the pond seem to have towards workers rights. I can't imagine jeering at strikers, making comments about how funny it is that they will simply be fired instead of any improvements being made. Considering unions to be a negative thing is an especially weird one for me.
I'm confused. Is the Gender Wage Gap real or not?
[QUOTE=SassPD22;51936297]I'm confused. Is the Gender Wage Gap real or not?[/QUOTE] it's real although some people think it's overstated.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;51936288]I'm pretty shocked at the attitude a lot of posters across the pond seem to have towards workers rights. I can't imagine jeering at strikers, making comments about how funny it is that they will simply be fired instead of any improvements being made. Considering unions to be a negative thing is an especially weird one for me.[/QUOTE] Land of the free* *[sp]Workers, Women not included[/sp]
[QUOTE=SassPD22;51936297]I'm confused. Is the Gender Wage Gap real or not?[/QUOTE] I think it can cause us to forget the larger cultural issues that cause this gap in the first place, and that solving those issues would help fix the problem Not that the wage gap doesn't exist, and not that we shouldn't fight it, but the best long term solution to the wage gap may be to just stop attaching connotations of appropriate sex to each job (I.E. Men can and should be nurses too, women should feel welcome in STEM fields, etc)
[QUOTE=paindoc;51936331]I think it can cause us to forget the larger cultural issues that cause this gap in the first place, and that solving those issues would help fix the problem Not that the wage gap doesn't exist, and not that we shouldn't fight it, but the best long term solution to the wage gap may be to just stop attaching connotations of appropriate sex to each job (I.E. Men can and should be nurses too, women should feel welcome in STEM fields, etc)[/QUOTE] This is how I feel on it as well. People generally bring up the "women wouldn't enter dangerous jobs" thing, but people kind of forget that women or more feminine people are discouraged from entering these fields very very early on. Growing up, I wanted to be a paleontologist and was essentially dissuaded from doing so by people saying that the heat in some of those areas of the country would be too much for me, that I wouldn't be able to handle constant travel, that manual labor like that sometimes entails would not be something I would want to do. So as I got older I realized that maybe I wasn't suited for it. It's little things that people are told as they grow up (both men [I]and[/I] women experience this, by the way!) that affect where their lives go. Men may be more likely to take on those jobs because they're encouraged to do so to live up to the tough and hardy vision of a "man" despite the dangers. While women are constantly told not to do so because it's too much. You can't always blame people for not doing a certain job that doesn't immediately pertain to their perceived gender role, especially when they've been told all their lives that they're not made for it. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] It takes everyone to start encouraging each other to enter different career fields, regardless of gender or social roles. That's why whenever I talk to kids and they wrinkle their nose at the prospect of male dancers or female weightlifters (or anything in that vein), I generally show them real life examples of people who have broken past those barriers and are doing what they love to do. They tend to get the idea pretty quickly.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51936137]why's that too much? an extremely low rate of unionization is a bad thing for a country and her economy[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SIRIUS;51936252]How is unionization bad??[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=fulgrim;51936288]I'm pretty shocked at the attitude a lot of posters across the pond seem to have towards workers rights. I can't imagine jeering at strikers, making comments about how funny it is that they will simply be fired instead of any improvements being made. Considering unions to be a negative thing is an especially weird one for me.[/QUOTE] US unions probably aren't as good for the worker as European workers unions. US unions don't fight for workers rights, generally, they just collect union dues and sit on their asses, and bully workers who aren't in the union. When they do push for higher wages, its in areas where the wages are already higher than most of the nation. The bobcat plant local to me closed down for several years because the unions coerced the workers there to go on strike for better wages, despite being the best paid welders in the country at the time. A good example of how awful US unions are is whats happening with Tesla's factory in California. The absolute last thing I want is for my industry to be unionized; I don't want to have to pay union dues just to keep my job and get nothing in return. US unions played a very important role in workers rights in the early 20th century, but they haven't done so in decades.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51935827]10.8% too many tbh.[/QUOTE] No, it's 90.2% not enough.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51936360]US unions probably aren't as good for the worker as European workers unions. US unions don't fight for workers rights, generally, they just collect union dues and sit on their asses, and bully workers who aren't in the union. When they do push for higher wages, its in areas where the wages are already higher than most of the nation. The bobcat plant local to me closed down for several years because the unions coerced the workers there to go on strike for better wages, despite being the best paid welders in the country at the time. A good example of how awful US unions are is whats happening with Tesla's factory in California. The absolute last thing I want is for my industry to be unionized; I don't want to have to pay union dues just to keep my job and get nothing in return. US unions played a very important role in workers rights in the early 20th century, but they haven't done so in decades.[/QUOTE] So maybe the answer is to get more people in so they can demand better service and representation from their unions? Even if it's ruled by a corrupt minority at the moment if people actually started treating the concept seriously and using them for their intended purpose that'd end fairly quickly, otherwise it's just a case of saying something's broken because you can't be bothered to fix
Cyke is correct in my experiece, although I'd argue unions should be able to be reported, evaluated, and fined or dissolved if it's determined they're not acting in the best interest of their paying employees, not ridded. You think corporate abuse is nasty now? Try working in a textile mill in the 70s.
Workers should have every right to band together and collectively bargain, but employers should also have every right to totally ignore their demands if they want. Unions should have power because all the workers want to be part of them, not because we arbitrarily give them special governmental rights and protections.
[QUOTE=Pascall;51936346]This is how I feel on it as well. People generally bring up the "women wouldn't enter dangerous jobs" thing, but people kind of forget that women or more feminine people are discouraged from entering these fields very very early on. Growing up, I wanted to be a paleontologist and was essentially dissuaded from doing so by people saying that the heat in some of those areas of the country would be too much for me, that I wouldn't be able to handle constant travel, that manual labor like that sometimes entails would not be something I would want to do. So as I got older I realized that maybe I wasn't suited for it. It's little things that people are told as they grow up (both men [I]and[/I] women experience this, by the way!) that affect where their lives go. Men may be more likely to take on those jobs because they're encouraged to do so to live up to the tough and hardy vision of a "man" despite the dangers. While women are constantly told not to do so because it's too much. You can't always blame people for not doing a certain job that doesn't immediately pertain to their perceived gender role, especially when they've been told all their lives that they're not made for it. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] It takes everyone to start encouraging each other to enter different career fields, regardless of gender or social roles. That's why whenever I talk to kids and they wrinkle their nose at the prospect of male dancers or female weightlifters (or anything in that vein), I generally show them real life examples of people who have broken past those barriers and are doing what they love to do. They tend to get the idea pretty quickly.[/QUOTE] Maybe people should start thinking for themselves instead of always doing what others tell them to do. There are always some assholes telling you what you might not be able to do. If I listened to what other people think (especially my parents) I wouldn't have studied and landed a great paying job with many freedoms. In the end people should strife to do the work they want to do, and when they have the right skills, be successful. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;51936306]it's real although some people think it's overstated.[/QUOTE] It is not just some people thinking. Just look at the studies for yourself. [editline]9th March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SassPD22;51936297]I'm confused. Is the Gender Wage Gap real or not?[/QUOTE] It is exaggerated. Just another "All women are always victim to the patriarchy" thing.
It's hard to "think for yourself" when you're like ten and everyone tells you the same thing, my guy. Kids do not always have the luxury of or capacity for brushing off barriers, especially when it comes from family and friends. It becomes a repetitive and nagging doubt in your head which also contributes to mental illness like anxiety and depression as people get older and develop issues with their sense of self and cultural or individual identity. It's not always so easy for everyone. If you had the ability to brush off what people told you you could/couldn't do, then that's awesome! But not everyone can.
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;51936384]So maybe the answer is to get more people in so they can demand better service and representation from their unions? Even if it's ruled by a corrupt minority at the moment if people actually started treating the concept seriously and using them for their intended purpose that'd end fairly quickly, otherwise it's just a case of saying something's broken because you can't be bothered to fix[/QUOTE] Yea but it doesnt work that way. The union is only accountable to itself and the higher ups, if theyre corrupt then the whole system is fucked, and thats the way it is right now. Its broken and needs to be done away with, and if a time again arises where unions are needed, then they can be formed.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51937169]Its broken and needs to be done away with, and if a time again arises where unions are needed, then they can be formed.[/QUOTE] And who's to say they aren't needed [I]right now[/I]? Bernie's consistent talk on the massive transference of wealth to the already extremely wealthy is a very bad problem to have in an economy and it's one that can only (and easily) be solved with workers having leverage. They currently have practically none. In addition we need to stop all the outsourcing happening with gross negligence for the long term effects. Industrial towns across the nation have all but died and even tech fields are doing the same thing at the expense of millions in our country who need the work. These problems compound themselves with the ever rising cost of education, making the situation even more bleak. How else do you effectively put negotiating power back into the workers' hands? I'm not well informed enough to comment on corruption and American unions in their current state, but we [I]desperately[/I] need good ones that are driven by the people doing the labor. We needed them years ago.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51937330]And who's to say they aren't needed [I]right now[/I]?[/QUOTE] The huge number of workers who aren't embracing them.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51937348]The huge number of workers who aren't embracing them.[/QUOTE] This is a non sequitur.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;51937330]And who's to say they aren't needed [I]right now[/I]? Bernie's consistent talk on the massive transference of wealth to the already extremely wealthy is a very bad problem to have in an economy and it's one that can only (and easily) be solved with workers having leverage. They currently have practically none. In addition we need to stop all the outsourcing happening with gross negligence for the long term effects. Industrial towns across the nation have all but died and even tech fields are doing the same thing at the expense of millions in our country who need the work. These problems compound themselves with the ever rising cost of education, making the situation even more bleak. How else do you effectively put negotiating power back into the workers' hands? I'm not well informed enough to comment on corruption and American unions in their current state, but we [I]desperately[/I] need good ones that are driven by the people doing the labor. We needed them years ago.[/QUOTE] Several of the issues you listed are the result of union expansion and greed. Keep in mind that some of the top 1% are also union bosses; it's not in their interest to give the worker leverage. It's a shitty situation because if people start to leave the unions, they'll lose their jobs because of the unions because they have such massive pull over entire industries.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51937845]Several of the issues you listed are the result of union expansion and greed. Keep in mind that some of the top 1% are also union bosses; it's not in their interest to give the worker leverage. It's a shitty situation because if people start to leave the unions, they'll lose their jobs because of the unions because they have such massive pull over entire industries.[/QUOTE] Clearly, the solution is to unionize against the unuions. Oh, they'll send union-paid union busters after them, but it'll be worth it to have the safety and security that only an anti-union union can provide.
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