• Man had sex with heavily pregnant ex-girlfriend AFTER strangling her to death as she pleaded for the
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[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37580380]Are you implying that corpses are sentient[/QUOTE] Nope: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1210578&p=37578212&viewfull=1#post37578212[/url]
Oh Illinois, you so silly [sp]Get me out of here, it's all farmland and ghettos and holy shit it's hot[/sp]
[quote]After the murder, he tried to kill himself unsuccessfully with a butter knife and a corkscrew.[/quote] A butter knife? He tried to kill himself with a goddamn BUTTER KNIFE of all things? How the fuck does that even work? Was there really NOTHING in range that would serve better?
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37579828]The family doesn't deserve revenge at all, not a single bit, the second you let revenge or retribution have an effect on a sentence is the second the system has failed. The justice system should be about justice, not retribution.[/QUOTE] Saying that someone is broken, and needs to be fixed because they murdered someone in cold blood isn't justice. People should be punished for what they've done, some people like mass murderers don't deserve sympathy. There is no purpose in just fixing up someone who was conscious when they killed, or maimed, or what-have-you and sending them back out. Society can do without them, and it would be only fair to the family of the victim, or the victim itself to at least know that their wrong-doer is getting retribution for his crimes. Some people don't deserve a second chance, especially those who were caught and are [b]proven[/b] to be the perpetrator of their (horrid, like mass homicide) crime, those who weren't broken or stricken by rage or something when they did it. Too many people are comparing murderers and slaughterers to broken little things that need to be nurtured and fixed. [editline]7th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;37579849]how do you know what justice is about? it is very much a subjective concept. the version that preserves the most human life is the one that values rehabilitation over revenge.[/QUOTE] Why would the lives of murderers and torturers matter? They don't deserve the life they were given, why do they get a second chance, when say, the people they crushed and ended didn't? Because someone is labeled as 'broken' doesn't mean he or she deserves to live after they've killed someone, unless there is mitigating factors and such. If someone is caught red handed, and it is known that they did it just because or for cash or some shit and they weren't insane, why do they deserve to live?
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37581821]Saying that someone is broken, and needs to be fixed because they murdered someone in cold blood isn't justice. People should be punished for what they've done, some people like mass murderers don't deserve sympathy. There is no purpose in just fixing up someone who was conscious when they killed, or maimed, or what-have-you and sending them back out. [/QUOTE] I think it's pretty clear that this guy isn't your run-of-the-mill remorseless psychopath. He found that his girlfriend not only was carrying a baby that wasn't his, but also was breaking up with him, and he snapped. Clearly he has some serious mental issues, but the fact that he tried to commit suicide immediately after, and then turned himself in, points to him not being a totally amoral murdering psychopath. If he'd killed her, raped the body, and fled for Mexico, I would be one hundred percent behind locking him up forever. If he had killed her, tried to kill himself, and the necrophilia aspect wasn't present, I'd call it a crime of passion and he'd be tried for straight-up murder with possible downgrading to manslaughter. But with the fact that he actually tried to end his own life immediately after, I almost feel pity for the guy- not for what he's done, but really just that he clearly needs help and if the family gets their way he won't receive it.
[QUOTE=catbarf;37582484]I think it's pretty clear that this guy isn't your run-of-the-mill remorseless psychopath. He found that his girlfriend not only was carrying a baby that wasn't his, but also was breaking up with him, and he snapped. Clearly he has some serious mental issues, but the fact that he tried to commit suicide immediately after, and then turned himself in, points to him not being a totally amoral murdering psychopath. If he'd killed her, raped the body, and fled for Mexico, I would be one hundred percent behind locking him up forever. If he had killed her, tried to kill himself, and the necrophilia aspect wasn't present, I'd call it a crime of passion and he'd be tried for straight-up murder with possible downgrading to manslaughter. But with the fact that he actually tried to end his own life immediately after, I almost feel pity for the guy- not for what he's done, but really just that he clearly needs help and if the family gets their way he won't receive it.[/QUOTE] Well, I did say that I wouldn't say anything more if it was an affair which triggered it, since my entire view on him depends on that. I was saying that if there weren't any mitigating factors then he should deserve no empathy, but if the entire affair thing is true I support a crime of passion acquittal minus the necrophilia and such. [editline]8th September 2012[/editline] I don't defend people who do murderous, horrid things for money and other menial shit though.
I'm thinkin this guy looks quite a bit like the sandman
[QUOTE=healthpoint;37577857]Shame.[/QUOTE] Not at all. He'll have LOTS of fun in prison. I've heard they treat rapists well.
[QUOTE=Archonos 2;37583612]Not at all. He'll have LOTS of fun in prison. I've heard they treat rapists well.[/QUOTE] Except for the necrophilia and all, he apparently just killed her because she had an affair. I don't think he deserves jail time for that, maybe something for the corpse rape and such.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37583795]Except for the necrophilia and all, he apparently just killed her because she had an affair. I don't think he deserves jail time for that, maybe something for the corpse rape and such.[/QUOTE] ~murder's okay~ ~murdering a pregnant woman is okay~
[quote]After the murder, he tried to kill himself unsuccessfully with a butter knife and a corkscrew[/quote] [quote][h2]a butter knife and a corkscrew[/h2][/quote] Oh my fucking god [b]HOW[/b]!?
[QUOTE=Archonos 2;37584139]~murder's okay~ ~murdering a pregnant woman is okay~[/QUOTE] Unless she had broken up with him before she went off and found a new lover, I can understand why he did it. Imagine someone you love and care about more than the world going off and betraying you in full, before leaving you behind. Murder in itself isn't okay, but the reasons for why it was done can change that. Adulterers shouldn't be defended, at all, and that wouldn't change to me even if the roles were reversed.
[QUOTE=Katatonic717;37584416]Oh my fucking god [b]HOW[/b]!?[/QUOTE] I don't get how he failed. It seems like either of those things could kill you if you were really set on it.
Fucking disgusting, they shouldn't waste a gaol cell on this person.
[QUOTE=Zero Hour;37584552]Fucking disgusting, they shouldn't waste a gaol cell on this person.[/QUOTE] If, [b]if[/b], it was an affair that sparked this, wouldn't you think that he would not be in control of his actions when he did this? It is obvious that it was something of rage which made him do this, since he tried to kill himself afterwards. He isn't a predatory killer, he is just someone who was heartbroken and took action because of it. Dunno about the rape though, even if that was as far as we know an allegation by himself. [editline]8th September 2012[/editline] It seems to me that he was a broken lapdog to this woman, and that is why he didn't immediately leave her when he found out about the affair, so he eventually snapped and now the public is ridiculing him for doing his action. He is the embodiment of all of what I fear to become, a victim of a cheating ass who is idolized by everyone around them - just like one of my uncles became. That'll just save myself the time of explaining why I think this murder was justified. (again, not the rape part.)
The whole article is filled with what the fuck.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37583795]Except for the necrophilia and all, he apparently just killed her because she had an affair. I don't think he deserves jail time for that, maybe something for the corpse rape and such.[/QUOTE] There is never a fucking good reason for killing another human being. You can give reasons all you want but you have [B]no[/B] right to take away the life of another person. The fuck is wrong with you?
[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/05/article-2198883-14A4AF00000005DC-655_306x423.jpg[/img] Neanderthal Lincoln. [editline]8th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE='[DJ Ria];37586129']There is never a fucking good reason for killing another human being.[/QUOTE] Self defense.
[QUOTE]After the murder, he tried to kill himself unsuccessfully with a butter knife and a corkscrew[/QUOTE] Corkscrew through throat to make a hole, and then jiggle the butter knife around in the wound until it is large enough to cause fatal bleeding, maybe?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;37586325]Corkscrew through throat to make a hole, and then jiggle the butter knife around in the wound until it is large enough to cause fatal bleeding, maybe?[/QUOTE] Nah I'd be willing to bet he just started smashing the corkscrew into his wrists Constantine style.
[QUOTE='[DJ Ria];37586129']There is never a fucking good reason for killing another human being. You can give reasons all you want but you have [B]no[/B] right to take away the life of another person. The fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] There is nothing wrong with me, and whatever he went through pushed him to do that. You can say that there is no excuse, though there is. Human life isn't some sort of sacred thing which should be preserved no matter the cost, it is the same as all life there is. Some people do things to deserve to die, like unprovoked mass killers and such if they are sane. People who commit adultery provoke their own death in these cases, they drive their killers to insanity. He was probably a normal person who snapped at this woman, we shouldn't toss him away like others who've not been provoked or did it for cash.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37586388]There is nothing wrong with me, and whatever he went through pushed him to do that. You can say that there is no excuse, though there is. Human life isn't some sort of sacred thing which should be preserved no matter the cost, it is the same as all life there is. Some people do things to deserve to die, like unprovoked mass killers and such if they are sane. People who commit adultery provoke their own death in these cases, they drive their killers to insanity. He was probably a normal person who snapped at this woman, we shouldn't toss him away like others who've not been provoked or did it for cash.[/QUOTE] I don't think you fully appreciate the rarity of life, you only get it once and no one on earth should ever have the power to strip life away from someone no matter what they've done.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37586404]I don't think you fully appreciate the rarity of life, you only get it once and no one on earth should ever have the power to strip life away from someone no matter what they've done.[/QUOTE] But we don't live in a society where there is the privilege to live and let live, or to see no evil, and there are still dangerous people and murderous people and such - they've killed, so why should we preserve them? Being the better person isn't an excuse to keep a detriment to all alive, and not simply someone like Cooper who snapped. There is also the issue of people who provoke, and provoke, and provoke. Think of it like a bully driving a student to the point where the student stabs him. It isn't the students fault, it is the bully who kept provoking when he had every chance to save himself and stop. We shouldn't let the absolute scum of this planet live, as they only siphon out of a productive society and kill or maim and such, but we shouldn't go after people who were provoked by their own lives and those around them into their crime. There are seven billion on this planet, so life as a statistic isn't a rarity - and individual life can't be held high over several others if they are technically worth the same just to prove the point of its invaluable nature. But Cooper, like the student and the bully, was mentally forced into what he did, as far as we know. What he did was out of his control, and the simple fact that he had put a stop to whatever torment he may have been feeling isn't something to rest on as a method to lock him away with those who actually need to be rehabilitated or separated from society. I'll be simple instead of rotating around one or two points. If I go into public, and start killing people for points or money, or politics, or power, I deserve to die, I have killed others just to kill others, I am dangerous, I offer nothing to the victims or their families or society, I serve no purpose - I've knowingly threw away my own life, if the police catch me of course. How do you defend that? By stating that I was born and that is it? Why should I be alive, even if I knew what I did could get me killed? I didn't do it to end my torment, or the torment of another person. Of course, my hypothetical description of myself indirectly applies to people like Holmes (though he is probably insane, so that could change), Gaddafi, Assad, and such. Cooper is different in the way I had described before, and in that the crime committed against him to some people could be on par with murder. It doesn't end his life physically, but it had certainly ruined his mind. Life can not be all important if its value is subjective to certain situations and people, trying to hold it above all other things can be counter productive in many ways - especially ones in self defense and military conflict and such. Now I'd say I vigorously defend Cooper in that I'm absolutely terrified of being cheated on as he was broken by it, and that has caused me to cut two relationships short just as a precautionary measure. It is worse than murder to me, [i]personally[/i], I'd rather die than ending up as a victim of an adulterous partner. It is, and will always will be my greatest fear and bane.
[QUOTE=proch;37578331]This motherfucker deserves a death by flaying.[/QUOTE] rest in peace, UDHR
He should have tried harder with the cork-screw.
[QUOTE=Ban Evader;37586803]He should have tried harder with the cork-screw.[/QUOTE] No, he shouldn't have. He snapped and did what he did out of rage, apparently. He killed someone who betrayed him in every way and still had the decency to be regretful over it.
both animals imo
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37586827]No, he shouldn't have. He snapped and did what he did out of rage, apparently. He killed someone who betrayed him in every way and still had the decency to be regretful over it.[/QUOTE] it's also quite possible that he has a few mental disorders, seeing as he was so quick to get so incredibly angry and spiteful before immediately regretting it and trying to off himself.
[QUOTE=Kwigg;37577854]Is it counted as a rape if the person is dead? I'm genuinely not sure...[/QUOTE] If the person disagreed with sexual intercourse before death it is. At least i think...
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37584457]Unless she had broken up with him before she went off and found a new lover, I can understand why he did it. Imagine someone you love and care about more than the world going off and betraying you in full, before leaving you behind. Murder in itself isn't okay, but the reasons for why it was done can change that. Adulterers shouldn't be defended, at all, and that wouldn't change to me even if the roles were reversed.[/QUOTE] There's this great thing called free will we have it where I live it's pretty neat
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