• We're on our way to Britain: A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;39017092][thumb]http://i.imgur.com/thvrE.jpg[/thumb] heh[/QUOTE] I am famous.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017106]I am famous.[/QUOTE] You're annoying. How about [I]you[/I] leave, until your convoluted viewpoints leave the "USSR/EU/USA conspiracy for national cleansing" territory?
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39016972]Something the EU wants to do since the EU want's all countries to become one giant state similar to the USSR\USA.[/QUOTE] Even if that is what the EU was doing (It's not), what's the problem with European federalization?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39017080][url]http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21564841-britains-immigration-policy-crippling-business-and-economy-wake-up-mr-cameron-tories[/url] Give that a read you nit. When you got business minded conservatives saying the immigration is too strict and is damaging growth then you know you've fucked up. Edit: I take that dumb as a sign that you read it. But considering the idea that our immigration is damaging our economy for every reason that you don't think it is, and somehow isn't aligned to your deluded world view about the EU becoming the USSR I guess its ~dumb~.[/QUOTE] Ah the money greater than morals argument.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017123]Ah the money greater than morals argument.[/QUOTE] Are you saying that immigration is morally wrong? That is rather abhorrent.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39017095]That sure sounds tough... Having to listen to people speaking...[I] loudly[/I].[/QUOTE] I'm sorry if that came off as being nasty/racist or anything. I have no problem with their language or anything like that. It just seems like there are more and more of them and walking through town and hearing more foreign voices than english ones is just a little odd thats all.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39017132]Are you saying that immigration is morally wrong? That is rather abhorrent.[/QUOTE] That's what I got from his post too: Immigration = money; denying people immigration = morals!
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017035]Oh your from Bulgaria, hi. Like the USSR, the EU need to stamp out each countries identity, what better way than multiculturalism and mass immigration?[/QUOTE] You sound paranoid. Afraid your own culture might not be as great as nationalists say it is?
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39017121]Even if that is what the EU was doing (It's not), what's the problem with European federalization?[/QUOTE] Some people like their heritage and want to keep their heritage intact for their children to see. Although fighting federalization is rather pointless because humanity cannot stay divided forever. Then again your Canadian, you know nothing of European politics.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017148]Then again your Canadian, you know nothing of European politics.[/QUOTE] Neither do you. Clearly.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017148]Some people like their heritage and want to keep their heritage intact for their children to see. Although fighting federalization is rather pointless because humanity cannot stay divided forever. [B]Then again your Canadian, you know nothing of European politics.[/B][/QUOTE] as if there's absolutely zero communication between Canada and Europe. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017148]Some people like their heritage and want to keep their heritage intact for their children to see.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah I forgot that Scottish culture died the second England and Scotland united. RIP bagpipes, kilts and haggis. [quote]Then again your Canadian, you know nothing of European politics.[/quote] Could say the same thing about you.
[QUOTE=orcywoo6;39017138]I'm sorry if that came off as being nasty/racist or anything. I have no problem with their language or anything like that. It just seems like there are more and more of them and walking through town and hearing more foreign voices than english ones is just a little odd thats all.[/QUOTE] No, it came off as a nitpick, nothing close to racism or anything like that. They're foreigners. They socialize in their mother tongue - it's completely normal! What's weird is seeing people complain about that, as if having foreigners in your country is somehow hurting it.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017148]Some people like their heritage and want to keep their heritage intact for their children to see. Although fighting federalization is rather pointless because humanity cannot stay divided forever. Then again your Canadian, you know nothing of European politics.[/QUOTE] As a Belgian, who has been living in a country that's been unified for 170 years and was formed out of two language groups and tons of individual city-states, I can tell you for a fact that every single city still has a distinct culture, like it had in the middle ages. Our heritage is fine.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017148]Some people like their heritage and want to keep their heritage intact for their children to see. Although fighting federalization is rather pointless because humanity cannot stay divided forever. Then again your Canadian, you know nothing of European politics.[/QUOTE] Wow, can you please leave? Like... Really.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;39017158]Oh yeah I forgot that Scottish culture died the second England and Scotland united. Could say the same thing about you.[/QUOTE] Well the Scottish nationalist party are in power and they want out of the union so that says something. Scottish Culture. If you want to talk about that make a new thread, they have a long history of oppression.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017189]Well the Scottish nationalist party are in power and they want out of the union so that says something. Scottish Culture. If you want to talk about that make a new thread, they have a long history of oppression.[/QUOTE] How do [I]you[/I] know. You're not Scottish. You obviously know nothing about Scottish culture. i.e. You can be provided tens and tens of examples of unified countries which didn't lose any of their heritage. Or even better, conquered countries which didn't lose their heritage!
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017189]that says something. Scottish Culture. [/QUOTE] Says what exactly? Or are you going to continue to be meaningless and vague.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39017159]No, it came off as a nitpick, nothing close to racism or anything like that. They're foreigners. They socialize in their mother tongue - it's completely normal! What's weird is seeing people complain about that, as if having foreigners in your country is somehow hurting it.[/QUOTE] I appreciate that. What I'm trying to say is it can just be a little strange and confusing sometimes. What I want is some cool assed rare foreigners, like japanese or some shit. :v:
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017189]Well the Scottish nationalist party are in power and they want out of the union so that says something. Scottish Culture. If you want to talk about that make a new thread, they have a long history of oppression.[/QUOTE] Right that is nonsense. You said that people dislike European federalization because it would threaten their heritage, yet Scottish culture is quite alive today, despite centuries of oppression by the English. As is Welsh culture, or Flemish culture in France. Or Quebecois culture in Canada. Accepting the authority of a government doesn't make you surrender your cultural beliefs, you git.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39017195]How do [I]you[/I] know. You're not Scottish. You obviously know nothing about Scottish culture. i.e. You can be provided tens and tens of examples of unified countries which didn't lose any of their heritage. Or even better, conquered countries which didn't lose their heritage![/QUOTE] I am part Scottish and have a large family in Scotland so i think i would know thank you very much. ;)
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017224]i think i would know thank you very much.[/QUOTE] why?
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017224]I am part Scottish and have a large family in Scotland so i think i would know thank you very much.[/QUOTE] Oh, so having foreign family automatically makes you an expert in that county's culture. Wow, that's nice to know!
[QUOTE=Stopper;39017236]Oh, so having foreign family automatically makes you an expert in that county's culture. Wow, that's nice to know![/QUOTE] I guess that means I can finally fulfill my goal of being a cultural history professor in Bordeaux!
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017224]I am part Scottish and have a large family in Scotland so i think i would know thank you very much.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Stopper;39017236]Oh, so having foreign family automatically makes you an expert in that county's culture. Wow, that's nice to know![/QUOTE] I'm Finnish, Polish and German and I know absolutely shit all about every one of those countries. It's funny because as I'm white, and have a very British accent; I've never been discriminated against for being an immigrant, but many friends I know who are darker skin and speak fluent English with a slight accent get called "Towely Suicide Kids". Despite being an immigrant, I do feel that immigrant's shouldn't have the right to claim JSA unless they have worked for at least a year and can speak English fluently
[QUOTE=thisispain;39011791]no i've traveled with them for a bit because i wanted to know about them, i have a pretty great stack of diaries i wrote from it make more assumptions tho, please[/QUOTE] Mind posting them? They'd be a nice read.
[QUOTE=Vasili;39011134]England was born out of Norman and Anglo Saxon unity.[/QUOTE] England was born out of Alfred the Great's conquest already with its own culture separate from Wales and Scotland. The Norman culture only got mixed later on, which invalidates his statement. [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BloodRayne;39017035]Oh your from Bulgaria, hi. Like the USSR, the EU need to stamp out each countries identity, what better way than multiculturalism and mass immigration?[/QUOTE] Yeah. I'm also hypothesising that the British government is also cohooting with Brussels on this because they promote multi-culti and immigration too, whether it's Labour or Conservative!
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39016630]Where are you getting your job statistics from anyway?[/QUOTE] Not everything has to be backed up by statistics to be true, what he said is pretty logical and you really can't expect 100 people to get the jobs they want considering 10% of the people already living in the UK can't (and those are just the people without jobs, let alone all the people working shit dead end jobs at sainsburys etc)
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;39016615]100 Store managers from Bulgaria migrate to Britain. Are there 100 stores that need managing? No. 1 of them gets a job in store management. 4 of them manage to find jobs in management of various other companies. 50 of them take on unskilled work in a store until they can prove they are able. 45 take on unrelated unskilled work in other places that need employment. This is in a happy land where we assume everyone can get jobs. This is certainly not the case and we are not dealing with 100 people.[/QUOTE] Good point but, unfortunately, economics is not simple like that. Growth is not a static thing. Having a large pool of unemployed workers in a specific place makes it more attractive option for investment. A business won't setup there if there's no sufficient labour. Additional workforce is an investment modifier and creates a more dynamic economy, especially if they are EU immigrants (meaning they have good capital, literate and skilled), they are poorer than your average Brit, but they are not [b]poor[/b] poor like in comparison to some countries on abysmal condition like Somalia or Afghanistan. It is also proven that they are hard-working and willing to work for less which only promotes the country's economic productivity. And it isn't really a surprise when the UK enjoyed a good performance during the late-nineties and the early noughties where immigration was abundant. And the best part out of this? It actually [URL="http://www.leftfootforward.org/images/2010/07/London-and-UK-unemployment-rates.jpg"]decreased unemployment[/URL]. What a country should worry about regarding immigration is the social cost, and unskilled illiterate immigrants. If you're really worried about immigration, a quota (on non-EU people) would be choice. A good control on the numbers, and gives incentive on letting the skilled ones in and bad ones out. However, this puts the control of the influx of the workforce out of the market's hand. P.S. Please stop that "UK doesn't produce/export anything" crap. The UK has a service economy. For someone who talks of economics, you have like a primary-school level out of it.
We're gunna sink. :(
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