We're on our way to Britain: A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right
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Thank you Britain for getting us rid of the gypsies
From, Romania
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;39020731]Thank you Britain for getting us rid of the gypsies
From, Romania[/QUOTE]
You can keep them nobody want them.
-France.
Why does everyone have boxes...
[QUOTE=Wazbat;39021424]Why does everyone have boxes...[/QUOTE]
Because oddly enough xenophobia isn't a thing to be happy about.
[QUOTE=redhaven;39020100]And it isn't really a surprise when the UK enjoyed a good performance during the late-nineties and the early noughties where immigration was abundant. And the best part out of this? It actually [URL="http://www.leftfootforward.org/images/2010/07/London-and-UK-unemployment-rates.jpg"]decreased unemployment[/URL].[/QUOTE]
That's not good evidence you are showing there. Simply presenting a graph showing that unemployment has decreased over the years does not show that it is linked to increased immigration.
[QUOTE=David29;39021589]That's not good evidence you are showing there. Simply presenting a graph showing that unemployment has decreased over the years does not show that it is linked to increased immigration.[/QUOTE]
Increased immigration is not [I]the[/I] panacea. It produces a good workforce which attracts investment. Well, if you have a good set of people. Which is why I gave the option of putting up a quota.
[QUOTE=redhaven;39022424]Increased immigration is not [I]the[/I] panacea. It produces a good workforce which attracts investment.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree that it is as simple as that. A 'good workforce' can vary wildly depending on what type of people make up the work force and also what type of workers a business would be looking for. Even then, if it was as simple as you make it out to be, the workforce quality is only one element that a business will need to look at before they decide to invest.
[QUOTE=David29;39022878]I don't agree that it is as simple as that. A 'good workforce' can vary wildly depending on what type of people make up the work force and also what type of workers a business would be looking for. Even then, if it was as simple as you make it out to be, the workforce quality is only one element that a business will need to look at before they decide to invest.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what "panacea" means?
[QUOTE=Stopper;39026664]Do you know what "panacea" means?[/QUOTE]
Yes. It means the solution for all problems.
[QUOTE=kaine123;39010158]I think that in a lot of ways there seems to be a lot more accepted racism in Europe than in my country. (America.)
[editline]28th December 2012[/editline]
At least just by seeing how people in this thread(and on the rest of fp) are acting.[/QUOTE]
People get funny about gypsies, other than that it's about the same I think.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;39030668]People get funny about gypsies, other than that it's about the same I think.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, the disdain for Gypsies isn't totally unreasonable. The area I live in has had quite a few Gypsies setting up camp recently and - ignoring the fact that the don't contribute to societ (e.g. through taxes) - the turn the place into a total dump and have sod all consideration for other people living in the surrounding area.
[QUOTE=David29;39031703]To be fair, the disdain for Gypsies isn't totally unreasonable. The area I live in has had quite a few Gypsies setting up camp recently and - ignoring the fact that the don't contribute to societ (e.g. through taxes) - the turn the place into a total dump and have sod all consideration for other people living in the surrounding area.[/QUOTE]
I can be like that sometimes myself in all fairness, not just a gypsy thing.
[QUOTE=David29;39031703]To be fair, the disdain for Gypsies isn't totally unreasonable. The area I live in has had quite a few Gypsies setting up camp recently and - ignoring the fact that the don't contribute to societ (e.g. through taxes) - the turn the place into a total dump and have sod all consideration for other people living in the surrounding area.[/QUOTE]
Disdain for ethnic groups is always unreasonable.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39031724]Disdain for ethnic groups is always unreasonable.[/QUOTE]
I think there's a slight difference between disliking an ethnic group because of what they are and disliking them because of what they do
Of course, it's not exactly okay to dislike one specific ethnic group anyways
[QUOTE=mankind_me;39031755]I think there's a slight difference between disliking an ethnic group because of what they are and disliking them because of what they do
Of course, it's not exactly okay to dislike one specific ethnic group anyways[/QUOTE]
Ethnic groups aren't hiveminds. They don't all do the same things or act the same way.
[QUOTE=mankind_me;39031755]I think there's a slight difference between disliking an ethnic group because of what they are and disliking them because of what they do
Of course, it's not exactly okay to dislike one specific ethnic group anyways[/QUOTE]
I think its also wrong to reduce ethnicities to a singular mass.
[editline]30th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hellduck;39031801]Ethnic groups aren't hiveminds. They don't all do the same things or act the same way.[/QUOTE]
or this
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39031837]I think its also wrong to reduce ethnicities to a singular mass.
[editline]30th December 2012[/editline]
or this[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, I didn't mean to make them out as a hivemind, my mistake.
It's probably just because of my past experiences with some of the individuals giving me a prejudice against them, but I'm not actively protesting against Gypsies, and I'm not exactly in the place to do so anyways
Oh, look another 9 page argument that belongs in mass debate.
[QUOTE=mankind_me;39031869]Fair enough, I didn't mean to make them out as a hivemind, my mistake.[/QUOTE]
Its just a too simplistic worldview.
[editline]30th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;39031878]Oh, look another 9 page argument that belongs in mass debate.[/QUOTE]
mass debate is a failed junk section.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39031724]Disdain for ethnic groups is always unreasonable.[/QUOTE]
So what do you do when a specific ethnic group does something unreasonable? So far everyone's idea is to ignore the problem on the basis that any solution would be fucking racism.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39031724]Disdain for ethnic groups is always unreasonable.[/QUOTE]
If a group of people are acting in a particular manner, it is not unreasonable to say "I disapprove of Group X because they are doing something bad". Furthermore, you are making the mistake of thinking that I am talking about all Gypsies when I am not.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39031912]So what do you do when a specific ethnic group does something unreasonable?[/QUOTE]
Ethnic groups are not singular entities that can 'do something.'
[editline]30th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=David29;39031919]you are making the mistake of thinking that I am talking about all Gypsies when I am not.[/QUOTE]
You still said its not unreasonable to disdain them.
If that isn't the case, then don't say it.
[QUOTE=David29;39031919]If a group of people are acting in a particular manner, it is not unreasonable to say "I disapprove of Group X because they are doing something bad". Furthermore, [B]you are making the mistake of thinking that I am talking about all Gypsies when I am not[/B].[/QUOTE]
Ok, so if it's behaviour that not all gypsies partake in, and it's behaviour that is not exclusive to gypsies, then why are we bringing ethnicity into it at all?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39031890]
[editline]30th December 2012[/editline]
SH is a failed debate section.[/QUOTE]
ftfy.
Just because DD is slow and shit doesn't mean I can start posting about my bong in GD, there's sections for a reason.
[sp]ATribeCalledQ confirmed backseat mod 2013[/sp]
[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;39032036]ftfy.
Just because DD is slow and shit doesn't mean I can start posting about my bong in GD, there's sections for a reason.
[sp]ATribeCalledQ confirmed backseat mod 2013[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well what else are we supposed to do here except talk about the story that's posted?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39031932]You still said its not unreasonable to disdain them.
If that isn't the case, then don't say it.[/QUOTE]
It's nowhere near as black or white as you make it out to be. I can talk about a handful of Gypsies and not be refering to the ethenic minority as a whole. People (including me) can be annoyed with Gypsies who set up camp in an area and turn it into a dump, but they aren't neccesarily annoyed with the [b]entire[/b] Gypsie minority.
[QUOTE=David29;39032115]It's nowhere near as black or white as you make it out to be. I can talk about a handful of Gypsies and not be refering to the ethenic minority as a whole. People (including me) can be annoyed with Gypsies who set up camp in an area and turn it into a dump, but they aren't neccesarily annoyed with the [b]entire[/b] Gypsie minority.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what you said: "To be fair, the disdain for Gypsies isn't totally unreasonable."
I'm not the one who is making everything black and white.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39032147]This is exactly what you said: "To be fair, the disdain for Gypsies isn't totally unreasonable."
I'm not the one who is making everything black and white.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are, because I am not talking about the entire ethnic minority.
[QUOTE=David29;39032200]Yes you are, because I am not talking about the entire ethnic minority.[/QUOTE]
Why did you type this: "To be fair, the disdain for Gypsies isn't totally unreasonable."
[editline]30th December 2012[/editline]
Or are you completely linguistically incompetent and are unable to articulate what you're trying to say beyond "dem gypsies"
[QUOTE=David29;39032200]Yes you are, because I am not talking about the entire ethnic minority.[/QUOTE]
OK, well I was talking about all gypsies when I said "people get funny about gypsies", and you then responded saying that the disdain was justified. IE: for all gypsies.
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