• We're on our way to Britain: A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right
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[QUOTE=Midas22;39032361]damn it dave stop page stretching or i'll report you[/QUOTE] [del][url=http://pastebin.ca/2298166]There's a userscript for that[/url][/del] never mind sharexmod fucked up i'll reupload it later
[QUOTE=Hellduck;39033546]Well where I'm from there are plenty of people who are perfectly tolerant of everyone except gypsies. I find it absolutely infuriating if I'm honest.[/QUOTE] Over here, we tolerate them pretty well because they keept it to themselves even if they go to the market's doorstep asking for spare change. However, shit gets flipped if something bad goes down. Theres a connection to the highway near where I live that has about 3 or 4 camps. They tend to throw rocks at cars and cross the road with cars driving well over 70km/h. I heard one or two have already been ran over by people passing by, but one was quite the interesting case. The driver didn't stop, drove away as fast as he could, and then went to the police to assume total responsability of it. If he didn't do that and had stopped and stayed with him, he probably would have joined the guy who got ran over in the ambulance.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;39033557]As far as I'm concerned this thread consists of people with no real world experience of how groups of people form and act based on their beliefs, and simply make assumptions based on their speculation of what these groups [I]might[/I] be like, despite admitting they have no experience of dealing with them. Despite examples of negative acts performed by the groups in many places all over the country (even witnessed first hand by people in the thread) that massively outweigh any positive the 'other half' of the group may bring to the country, you still insist that this is perfectly fine here, for some ridiculous reason. I'd advise you to go and conduct some real world research on a gypsy camp but don't pick the wrong one! You might get shot or bare knuckle boxed into oblivion.[/QUOTE] I wanted to bring that up, but never really had the chance (or the reason more so) Here, in Bulgaria, gypsies make up 5% of the population. That means that when I go out today, I will inevitably cross paths with one. For contrast in the UK, gypsies are a meager 0,15%! That's actually [I]less [/I]than there are in the USA - 0,32%! How can you really, really, honestly pass any kind of viewpoint in this argument? Statistics only go so far. I'm not saying that arguments shouldn't be backed by statistics, but you people don't have any taste of the problem at hand. You're the equivalent of a mechanic who has only read about how to repair cars, but hasn't actually been in one! Again, I'm not saying that this automatically discredits your arguments, but it's hard for me to view them as entirely sound. In my opinion, this is why [I]some[/I] people tend to fall back to screaming "racism" and ignoring what the other part of the discussion has to say.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39033736]I wanted to bring that up, but never really had the chance (or the reason more so) Here, in Bulgaria, gypsies make up 5% of the population. That means that when I go out today, I will inevitably cross paths with one. For contrast in the UK, gypsies are a meager 0,15%! That's actually [I]less [/I]than there are in the USA - 0,32%! How can you really, really, honestly pass any kind of viewpoint in this argument? Statistics only go so far. I'm not saying that arguments shouldn't be backed by statistics, but you people don't have any taste of the problem at hand. You're the equivalent of a mechanic who has only read about how to repair cars, but hasn't actually been in one! Again, I'm not saying that this automatically discredits your arguments, but it's hard for me to view them as entirely sound. In my opinion, this is why [I]some[/I] people tend to fall back to screaming "racism" and ignoring what the other part of the discussion has to say.[/QUOTE] I don't think he meant just the UK.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39033790]I don't think he meant just the UK.[/QUOTE] I know, I was just providing an example.
Won't anyone think of the hedge strimmers?
[QUOTE=Midas22;39034065]Won't anyone think of the hedge strimmers?[/QUOTE] Wait, isn't a strimmer one of those electrical rotating things with the plastic string as a blade on the end?
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;39032664] Exactly. That's part of the survival aspect of humans. Recognising potential threats based on experience/ knowledge which may be true but in most cases, isn't entirely rational.[/QUOTE] WE HAVE TO BE RACIST TO SURVIVE! WE HAVE NO RATIONAL BRAIN! WE RUN COMPLETELY ON INSTINCT!
[QUOTE=Stopper;39034185]Wait, isn't a strimmer one of those electrical rotating things with the plastic string as a blade on the end?[/QUOTE] Yes and those fucking gypsies stole it.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;39034253]WE HAVE TO BE RACIST TO SURVIVE! WE HAVE NO RATIONAL BRAIN! WE RUN COMPLETELY ON INSTINCT![/QUOTE] You took what he said out of context and misquoted him. What are you trying to prove?
[QUOTE=Stopper;39034185]Wait, isn't a strimmer one of those electrical rotating things with the plastic string as a blade on the end?[/QUOTE] maybe i always thought it was just "hedge trimmer" with a typo
Holy shit, I must say I was expecting better from you guys. Gypsies (or Roma people, whatever you want to classify them as) are the fucking Jews of the 21st century, in the sense that for whatever reason, it's considered okay to hate them. I rarely see people call others out for this either, but I sure as hell find that kind of generalisation, discrimination and general hostility despicable. I was however, hoping to find less of it here on Facepunch. Clearly, I was wrong.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;39034917]Holy shit, I must say I was expecting better from you guys. Gypsies (or Roma people, whatever you want to classify them as) are the fucking Jews of the 21st century, in the sense that for whatever reason, it's considered okay to hate them. I rarely see people call others out for this either, but I sure as hell find that kind of generalisation, discrimination and general hostility despicable. I was however, hoping to find less of it here on Facepunch. Clearly, I was wrong.[/QUOTE] Wow, it's like you took 10 pages of discussion and reduced them to one generalized, streamlined, biased post. Incredible!
[QUOTE=Stopper;39034949]Wow, it's like you took 10 pages of discussion and reduced them to one generalized, streamlined, biased post. Incredible![/QUOTE] 9 pages page 1 was pretty much all about the Daily Mail bot
[QUOTE=Stopper;39034949]Wow, it's like you took 10 pages of discussion and reduced them to one generalized, streamlined, biased post. Incredible![/QUOTE] To be honest, he's only mildly exaggerating.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;39034917]Holy shit, I must say I was expecting better from you guys. Gypsies (or Roma people, whatever you want to classify them as) are the fucking Jews of the 21st century, in the sense that for whatever reason, it's considered okay to hate them. I rarely see people call others out for this either, but I sure as hell find that kind of generalisation, discrimination and general hostility despicable. I was however, hoping to find less of it here on Facepunch. Clearly, I was wrong.[/QUOTE] I take it that you went through 10 pages looking at who had the most boxes and got banned, read their comments and thought "this guy is totally hitler" without reading absolutely anything else and possibly reading "kill all gypsies" in each and every post of those. And to my knowledge, jewish people never raised any problems such as overcrowding and benefit claims without even having anything to do with the country they migrate to. Correct me if I'm wrong though. [editline]31st December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;39035180]To be honest, he's only mildly exaggerating.[/QUOTE] Or maybe not. He wouldn't be the first.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39035216]I take it that you went through 10 pages looking at who had the most boxes and got banned, read their comments and thought "this guy is totally hitler" without reading absolutely anything else and possibly reading "kill all gypsies" in each and every post of those. And to my knowledge, jewish people never raised any problems such as overcrowding and benefit claims without even having anything to do with the country they migrate to. Correct me if I'm wrong though. [editline]31st December 2012[/editline] Or maybe not. He wouldn't be the first.[/QUOTE] Your assumptions are wrong, I'm afraid. I read through 10 pages and saw a lot of people trying to justify the hatred of an entire ethnic group comprised of millions of people. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying it's okay to hate the gypsy people, right? Or at least that they should be discriminated against in one way or another. Please clarify on your exact "solution" to this problem. I don't think this is okay. I think treating people of an ethnic group based on what other people in their ethnic group have done is horrible, bordering on inhumane. Cliche as it may sound, I think people should be treated as individuals to as large of an extent as possible, and not treated based on what people think of their ethnicity/religion/nationality/gender/whatever. I don't think any of you are Hitler. I just think you are discriminating based on ethnicity, and I don't think that's right.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;39035562]Your assumptions are wrong, I'm afraid. I read through 10 pages and saw a lot of people trying to justify the hatred of an entire ethnic group comprised of millions of people. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying it's okay to hate the gipsy people, right? Or at least that they should be discriminated against in one way or another. Please clarify on your exact "solution" to this problem. I don't think this is okay. I think treating people of an ethnic group based on what other people in their ethnic group have done is horrible, bordering on inhumane. Cliche as it may sound, I think people should be treated as individuals to as large of an extent as possible, and not treated based on what people think of their ethnicity/religion/nationality/gender/whatever. I don't think any of you are Hitler. I just think you are discriminating based on ethnicity, and I don't think that's right.[/QUOTE] It has been said quite a few times the problems behind all this, which I will not mention again as it seems one isn't too safe from certain consequences upon discussing this matter.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39035971]It has been said quite a few times the problems behind all this, which I will not mention again as it seems one isn't too safe from certain consequences upon discussing this matter.[/QUOTE] you should probably go ahead and lay it all down in a single big post so that other people in the thread can easily refer to it in the future, since not reading the thread is apparently so big a problem that you see fit not to mention any of the "problems behind this." that is, if you've got something to actually say other than "lmao you didnt read the thread and that's a good enough reason not to rebut any of your points!!"
[QUOTE=Cone;39036042]you should probably go ahead and lay it all down in a single big post so that other people in the thread can easily refer to it in the future, since not reading the thread is apparently so big a problem that you see fit not to mention any of the "problems behind this." that is, if you've got something to actually say other than "lmao you didnt read the thread and that's a good enough reason not to rebut any of your points!!"[/QUOTE] Page 10 has probably the best non-offensive reasons one could get that even apply to every single human being. And as said, I will not mention anything else. This thread isn't going nowhere.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39036209]Page 10 has probably the best non-offensive reasons one could get that even apply to every single human being. And as said, I will not mention anything else. This thread isn't going nowhere.[/QUOTE] I re-read page 10. I still think my point stands, that individuals should not be judged based on their ethnicity, but rather on their own individual actions. It's the only fair way to treat people. Edit: Also I have yet to see anyone be banned for open discussion of this matter. The only guy who was banned was saying really racist stuff, so I think as long as we keep things civilized we don't have to worry.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;39035562]Your assumptions are wrong, I'm afraid. I read through 10 pages and saw a lot of people trying to justify the hatred of an entire ethnic group comprised of millions of people. [B]Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying it's okay to hate the gypsy people, right?[/B] Or at least that they should be discriminated against in one way or another. Please clarify on your exact "solution" to this problem. I don't think this is okay. I think treating people of an ethnic group based on what other people in their ethnic group have done is horrible, bordering on inhumane. Cliche as it may sound, I think people should be treated as individuals to as large of an extent as possible, and not treated based on what people think of their ethnicity/religion/nationality/gender/whatever. I don't think any of you are Hitler. I just think you are discriminating based on ethnicity, and I don't think that's right.[/QUOTE] I'm saying it's ok to hate anyone who doesn't comply to the laws of your country and the ethical and moral guidelines that your community has set. I don't care if it's a black, white, yellow, red, ambiguously brown or fucking neon green person. And when a lot of the members of a certain minority fill that blank, how am I supposed to react? If 50% of all lions on earth never killed under any circumstance but the other 50% would gut you at first sight, you wouldn't be exactly trying to get in lions cages any time soon.
Foreigners can be a very bad thing if they take away jobs from the locals, cause an increase of crime and corruption and pollute the land with toxic waste by littering. Well take a look at Singapore.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39053206]I'm saying it's ok to hate anyone who doesn't comply to the laws of your country and the ethical and moral guidelines that your community has set. I don't care if it's a black, white, yellow, red, ambiguously brown or fucking neon green person. And when a lot of the members of a certain minority fill that blank, how am I supposed to react? If 50% of all lions on earth never killed under any circumstance but the other 50% would gut you at first sight, you wouldn't be exactly trying to get in lions cages any time soon.[/QUOTE] I agree that you should be free to hate people (individuals) who don't comply to the laws of your country. Here's the really important thing though: we don't treat humans like we treat animals. If you want to try and avoid interaction with gypsy people be my guest, but don't drag your country's laws with you. I'll repeat this again: judging individual human beings by the actions of other members of their ethnicity is inhumane. It's not something we can have in our laws. We shouldn't treat human beings as if they were lions.
For the love of God, stop associating my fucking country with a bunch of criminals. Thank you.
There is a Bulgarian car wash up the road from me that is like £5 for an entire wash and I have no idea how they make any money at all.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;39055868]I agree that you should be free to hate people (individuals) who don't comply to the laws of your country. Here's the really important thing though: we don't treat humans like we treat animals. If you want to try and avoid interaction with gypsy people be my guest, but don't drag your country's laws with you. I'll repeat this again: judging individual human beings by the actions of other members of their ethnicity is inhumane. It's not something we can have in our laws. We shouldn't treat human beings as if they were lions.[/QUOTE] I knew I shouldn't have used a metaphor with animals, because... Well, you see what happens. It's damn [I]metaphor.[/I] And you really don't fucking get it. Stop living in your little "EVERYTHING AGAINST ANYONE THAT ISN'T WHITE IS RACISM" bubble. This is how human interaction works. You deal with everyone on a case by case basis, until some people start standing out with certain characteristics you don't like. Then you stay the fuck away from them. Same reason I stay away from the our local equivalent of chavs. And yes - not following the laws like everyone is one of those things, believe it or not.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39034949]Wow, it's like you took 10 pages of discussion and reduced them to one generalized, streamlined, biased post. Incredible![/QUOTE] summary of your post: [img]http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/19744376/images/1341468116408.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Lazor;39056570]summary of your post: [/QUOTE] The issue is on your doorstep now and I'd hardly be surprised and sure as fuck amused when all of the sudden your country gets full of "closet racists" who want to control the immigration of certain minorities. And this is just a post that doesn't need a rebuttal. It's just fucking stupid and further more, anything I could say would make me look like an asshole, so I just won't.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39056746]The issue is on your doorstep now and I'd hardly be surprised and sure as fuck amused when all of the sudden your country gets full of "closet racists" who want to control the emigration of certain minorities.[/QUOTE] Why would racists want to control which minorities got to emigrate? Wouldn't they want them all to emigrate?
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