• We're on our way to Britain: A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right
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Christ stopper you're like a populist mouth piece or something.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39056746]The issue is on your doorstep now and I'd hardly be surprised and sure as fuck amused when all of the sudden your country gets full of "closet racists" who want to control the emigration of certain minorities. And this is just a post that doesn't need a rebuttal. It's just fucking stupid and further more, anything I could say would make me look like an asshole, so I just won't.[/QUOTE] so you're just arguing for the sake of it
[QUOTE=Ownederd;39056766]so you're just arguing for the sake of it[/QUOTE] And would you mind explaining to me how exactly you came to that conclusion while reading my post? [QUOTE=NoDachi;39056764]Christ stopper you're like a populist mouth piece or something.[/QUOTE] How so? I'm arguing against a bunch of people who have at best heard of what gypsies are. How is that populism? And would you stop applying a bunch of ideological stamps to everyone - it's practically all you do. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39056758]Why would racists want to control which minorities got to emigrate? Wouldn't they want them all to emigrate?[/QUOTE] I don't know, I guess they would. Or they'd just want to stop any more people getting in - either way, it's a form of control.
[QUOTE=Stopper;3905684]I don't know, I guess they would. Or they'd just want to stop any more people getting in - either way, it's a form of control.[/QUOTE] casual xenophobia
[QUOTE=Stopper;39056841]I don't know, I guess they would. Or they'd just want to stop any more people getting in - either way, it's a form of control.[/QUOTE] Emigration is people leaving the country, not getting in.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39056928]Emigration is people leaving the country, not getting in.[/QUOTE] Sorry, my fault - I meant immigration.
I really want to say something, but looking at the train tracks, this thread goes only one way.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39056053]I knew I shouldn't have used a metaphor with animals, because... Well, you see what happens. It's damn [I]metaphor.[/I] And you really don't fucking get it. Stop living in your little "EVERYTHING AGAINST ANYONE THAT ISN'T WHITE IS RACISM" bubble. This is how human interaction works. You deal with everyone on a case by case basis, until some people start standing out with certain characteristics you don't like. Then you stay the fuck away from them. Same reason I stay away from the our local equivalent of chavs. And yes - not following the laws like everyone is one of those things, believe it or not.[/QUOTE] Wow, please don't tell me you're one those "Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white!" people. I've never said that "everything against anyone that isn't white is racism!" (especially not in all caps!). Some people are assholes. This group of assholes is comprised of people of every ethnicity. Some white people are assholes. Some black people are assholes. Some gypsy people are assholes. It's the way it is. Punising individuals who have broken the law is not racist. Punishing innocent people for sharing their ethnicity is racist. Can you guess which one is okay and which one isn't? The point is that we cannot make our laws discriminate against individuals based on what members of their ethnicity have done (fuck I can't believe how many times I've said that now). If you want to be a bigot, that's completely fine. Just don't make your country's laws bigoted too.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;39057651]Wow, please don't tell me you're one those "Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white!" people. I've never said that "everything against anyone that isn't white is racism!" (especially not in all caps!). Some people are assholes. This group of assholes is comprised of people of every ethnicity. Some white people are assholes. Some black people are assholes. Some gypsy people are assholes. It's the way it is. Punising individuals who have broken the law is not racist. Punishing innocent people for sharing their ethnicity is racist. Can you guess which one is okay and which one isn't? The point is that we cannot make our laws discriminate against individuals based on what members of their ethnicity have done (fuck I can't believe how many times I've said that now). If you want to be a bigot, that's completely fine. Just don't make your country's laws bigoted too.[/QUOTE] And I never said anything about "anti-racism being anti-white". And I never even hinted at the idea that all gypsies should be punished. The whole time, I was arguing that you can't expect me to have the same relation to gypsies as I do to other minorities, because a fair few of them don't abide the laws. NEVER have I said ANYTHING about punishing innocent people. You can go back, re-read my posts if you'd like. And I never said we [I]should[/I]. Sure, I'm a bigot - to the social group of "assholes" as you put it. And my country's laws are very much bigoted towards that social group. They just aren't being enforced. Again - I never even hinted at the idea of any sort of punishment for innocent citizens of any minority (or majority) and certainly nothing like Lazor's fucking retarded post about killing innocents, just because they belong to a certain minority.
You know what? Despite all 11 pages of people calling racist to each other, I STILL have no idea whatsoever why exactly will immigrants also be able to claim benefits most likely without even having a job, when the country has its own in-house problem of people who can't get jobs and claim benefits, or some who can't even claim benefits on their own. And if someone thinks that even half of said 29m people can get jobs and are qualified for any job at all, then that someone should really take a look at the world we currently live in and stop playing activisim.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39058963]You know what? Despite all 11 pages of people calling racist to each other, I STILL have no idea whatsoever why exactly will immigrants also be able to claim benefits most likely without even having a job, when the country has its own in-house problem of people who can't get jobs and claim benefits, or some who can't even claim benefits on their own. And if someone thinks that even half of said 29m people can get jobs and are qualified for any job at all, then that someone should really take a look at the world we currently live in and stop playing activisim.[/QUOTE] What hypothetical benefits would they be getting again? I forgot. Why are you feeding on dailfail fodder and actually believing there are 29m job stealin migrants marching on the white cliffs of dover?
[QUOTE=Atlascore;39059257]Wow, are all Europeans this racist?[/QUOTE] Its getting that way. Got to love resurgent xenophobic, nationalist popularism.
Immigration threads and facepunch don't mix as people don't accept or consider each other's opinions. As said several times this is a one-track thread for pro-immigration. In perspective, when the "floodgates" open for Bulgaria and Romania it will be similar to the polish immigration. They come here, they take up meager jobs mostly, find that the uk is not actually paved with gold and isn't the what it's all made out to be. But with mass immigration what you get is huge pressure on services like the NHS, police, schools and public services. At least there's certain rules in the uk now such as having a standard of English speaking, although i am not sure that applies to EU migrants.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;39059257]Wow, are all Europeans this racist?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization[/url]
I have a feeling that if we replaced "Daily Mail" with "Fox News" and "Gypsies" to "Mexicans", and the same arguments were being used, all of you Europeans would be up in arms about rampant racism in America and how our nation is utter shit compared to yours. That being said, I don't see why this is such a problem. Helping poor people leave their old lives behind and start over in a better country. Worked for America.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;39059619]I have a feeling that if we replaced "Daily Mail" with "Fox News" and "Gypsies" to "Mexicans", and the same arguments were being used, all of you Europeans would be up in arms about rampant racism in America and how our nation is utter shit compared to yours.[/QUOTE] Have you read the thread at all? That is exactly what has been happening.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39059639]Have you read the thread at all? That is exactly what has been happening.[/QUOTE] What do you mean "that's exactly what's happening"? People are saying Americans are racist? I did read the thread. Clarify please.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;39059673]What do you mean "that's exactly what's happening"? People are saying Americans are racist? I did read the thread. Clarify please.[/QUOTE] People are up in arms over the casual racism this news story was dredged up. People saying Americans are racist doesn't even make sense so I'm not sure why you'd say that.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39059691]People are up in arms over the casual racism this news story was dredged up. People saying Americans are racist doesn't even make sense so I'm not sure why you'd say that.[/QUOTE]I think he's talking about the ones being bigots about Gypsies/Roma, that if this were an Americanized version, they'd be complaining about rampant American racism.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;39059702]I think he's talking about the ones being bigots about Gypsies/Roma, that if this were an Americanized version, they'd be complaining about rampant American racism.[/QUOTE] Ohhhhh. Yeah most likely.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;39059702]I think he's talking about the ones being bigots about Gypsies/Roma, that if this were an Americanized version, they'd be complaining about rampant American racism.[/QUOTE] And it's happened before on these forums, numerous times.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39058983]What hypothetical benefits would they be getting again? I forgot. Why are you feeding on dailfail fodder and actually believing there are 29m job stealin migrants marching on the white cliffs of dover?[/QUOTE] Do you REALLY need the daily mail or anything else to figure something like that out? [B]And I'm not mentioning any job stealing at all, so stop making shit up.[/B] [editline]2nd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BloodRayne;39059282]Immigration threads and facepunch don't mix as people don't accept or consider each other's opinions. As said several times this is a one-track thread for pro-immigration. In perspective, when the "floodgates" open for Bulgaria and Romania it will be similar to the polish immigration. They come here, they take up meager jobs mostly, find that the uk is not actually paved with gold and isn't the what it's all made out to be. But with mass immigration what you get is huge pressure on services like the NHS, police, schools and public services. At least there's certain rules in the uk now such as having a standard of English speaking, although i am not sure that applies to EU migrants.[/QUOTE] And you're obviously a racist for thinking like that Nevermind. Apparently, all Europe and europeans are like that! :downs:
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39060167]Do you REALLY need the daily mail or anything else to figure something like that out?[/QUOTE] Substantiate.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39058420]And I never said anything about "anti-racism being anti-white". And I never even hinted at the idea that all gypsies should be punished. The whole time, I was arguing that you can't expect me to have the same relation to gypsies as I do to other minorities, because a fair few of them don't abide the laws. NEVER have I said ANYTHING about punishing innocent people. You can go back, re-read my posts if you'd like. And I never said we [I]should[/I]. Sure, I'm a bigot - to the social group of "assholes" as you put it. And my country's laws are very much bigoted towards that social group. They just aren't being enforced. Again - I never even hinted at the idea of any sort of punishment for innocent citizens of any minority (or majority) and certainly nothing like Lazor's fucking retarded post about killing innocents, just because they belong to a certain minority.[/QUOTE] Fine, I guess. As long as you don't hurt people or anything. Although I think a bigger problem that needs to be solved is the general attitude people have towards this kind of thing, it's not something that can be done on a case-by-case basis, and so I think we have nothing left to discuss.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;39063151]Fine, I guess. As long as you don't hurt people or anything. Although I think a bigger problem that needs to be solved is the general attitude people have towards this kind of thing, it's not something that can be done on a case-by-case basis, and so I think we have nothing left to discuss.[/QUOTE] And it only took 12 pages of people calling each other hitler/racist/bigot, snarky comments and a few dumb bans for everyone to fucking realise what Stopper said. Good job everyone! [/sarcasm]
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39064049]And it only took 12 pages of people calling each other hitler/racist/bigot, snarky comments and a few dumb bans for everyone to fucking realise what Stopper said. Good job everyone! [/sarcasm][/QUOTE] I personally found the discussion we had to be meaningful. Not every conclusion has to be reached within five minutes of debate, sometimes it takes longer. And he's still a bigot. And you too. But that's alright.
Armchair activism at it's best.
What is?
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39065823]Armchair activism at it's best.[/QUOTE] Not really armchair activism. We've been discussing a topic, which isn't activism and it doesn't have any pretensions to being so. And you've been doing it too.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;39065823]Armchair activism at it's best.[/QUOTE] "NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO DISCUSS ANYTHING UNLESS THEY'RE IN A POSITION OF POWER" -you right now
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