• We're on our way to Britain: A year from now up to 29m Bulgarians and Romanians will have the right
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[QUOTE=kaine123;39010158]I think that in a lot of ways there seems to be a lot more accepted racism in Europe than in my country. (America.) [editline]28th December 2012[/editline] At least just by seeing how people in this thread(and on the rest of fp) are acting.[/QUOTE] Mainly because the groups associated to racism in Europe carry around some pretty good reasons to be hated and the part that doesn't carries said reasons is a very small minority.
[QUOTE=dass;39011181]Mainly because the groups associated to racism in Europe carry around some pretty good reasons to be hated and the part that doesn't carries said reasons is a very small minority.[/QUOTE] is this your justification for racism
[QUOTE=redhaven;39010748]Hello, job-stealer here. This type of views irks me. If I'm working, I'm a job-stealer. If I don't, I'm a benefit scrounge. If you don't like immigrants, say it up front, stop beating the bush. "I don't want immigrants here, I want the British race to be pure." ffs Britain has a service economy. It ranges from low-skill jobs to high ones.[/QUOTE] I think this is more of a case of misplaced hate rather than pure racism. If people are having their lives affected for whatever reason, the common "I can't get a job" one for example. They should be angry at government and its policies instead of blaming the people who immigrate here. I don't really understand who you were aiming your comment at anyway.
[QUOTE=lapsus_;39010546]Ha, it's a while already that my country is infested by romanians and albanians. I have no problem with their ethnicity, the real problem is that.. I don't know how to word it, they aren't even liked by their connationals, they come from the underdeveloped parts of their country where everything is shit and you get raised like a dog. I got to talk with people who came for reasons different than poverty, and they are very respectful and cheerful. The rest it's the other way around: they come to your place and want to boss you around, give 0 shits about authority and some are straight up dangerous or criminals: here they get sentenced to jail, in their place they get fucking shot at and fed to the pigs. It's convenient for them. 50% of the time you hear about a knife fight, a robbery, a homicide, around here it was one of them. The thing IS worring, since they make up for just the 13% of the populuation.[/QUOTE] And here it is a good example. Most people don't hate other ethnicities because of stupid reasons like "hurr they come to our country, they don't deserve it", it's because they end up doing more harm than good. Are we annoyed that there are brazilians here? No. (in fact, they are chill as fuck) Are we annoyed about ucranians? No. Are we annoyed about gypsies? Not until they set camp on what seems to be vacant land and start dealing drugs from there. Fuck, they are even afraid of each other sometimes. They got some pretty big lunatics.
[QUOTE=redhaven;39010950]Totally! When the Frenchie Normans invaded God-sent England, they eradicated the beautiful Saxon language and culture along with their own. That's when England lost its culture. /s[/QUOTE] Cultural assimilation/clashing is a bit more complicated than that. Hardly anyone gives a shit about something that created them through a mixing, especially so when they're under the flag of a country where being "British" is living in the country and not knowing your actual background.
[QUOTE=dass;39011230]And here it is a good example. Most people don't hate other ethnicities because of stupid reasons like "hurr they come to our country, they don't deserve it", it's because they end up doing more harm than good.[/QUOTE]Like black people, right? They're just [I]naturally[/I] more prone to crime and all. [/sarcasm]
[QUOTE=Bobie;39011192]is this your justification for racism[/QUOTE] I hate that, I hate that, I hate that. I can't even begin this argument. I really can't. I've been over this so many times, it's not even funny. You honestly, honestly wouldn't understand this problem. Well... Soon enough you will. [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39011144]Japan had a very strict policy where every foreigner was executed from the 17th through 19th centuries, and even today has few immigrants. Britain, by contrast, has had the French, Germans, Poles, Jews (they returned in the 1600s after they got eradicated in the middles ages), etc come over during that time (French Silk weavers, German bakers, Polish plumbers, etc). Immigrants have contributed a lot, not only culturally, but intellectually and practically as well. Had we the strict immigration policies of the Daily Mail type, we would be stuck in the neolithic, like some parts of Norfolk.[/QUOTE] I still don't see your point. Both Japan and Britain are two prosperous, modern countries and immigration doesn't change anything.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;39011270]Like black people, right? They're just [I]naturally[/I] more prone to crime and all. [/sarcasm][/QUOTE] Maybe in America, but surely not here in Portugal. Theres also a big load of biggotry there. There is aswell in Portugal, but I'd say it's a lot less and only comes from regions where people are just assholes by nature like Lisbon.
[QUOTE=dass;39011356]Maybe in America, but surely not here in Portugal. Theres also a big load of biggotry there. There is aswell in Portugal, but I'd say it's a lot less and only comes from regions where people are just assholes by nature like Lisbon.[/QUOTE] You're not helping.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39011387]You're not helping.[/QUOTE] Care to elaborate?..
[QUOTE=Stopper;39011291]I hate that, I hate that, I hate that. I can't even begin this argument. I really can't. I've been over this so many times, it's not even funny. You honestly, honestly wouldn't understand this problem. Well... Soon enough you will. [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] I still don't see your point. Both Japan and Britain are two prosperous, modern countries and immigration doesn't change anything.[/QUOTE] start what argument? generalizing a social or ethnic minority is disrespectful, to say the least. there's nothing you can do to change that.
[QUOTE=Stopper;39011291]I still don't see your point. Both Japan and Britain are two prosperous, modern countries and immigration doesn't change anything.[/QUOTE] Japan prosperous? They've been stagnant for years now, and their population is declining. However, I was looking at how these policies occurred in the past. Keeping out people kept out progress in Japans case.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39011605]Japan prosperous? They've been stagnant for years now, and their population is declining. However, I was looking at how these policies occurred in the past. Keeping out people kept out progress in Japans case.[/QUOTE] japan will probably have to accept imigrants in next decades, japanese population is at a free dive, its waaaay too expensive to raise children in japan, doesn't help that japanese discriminate heavily against descedants of japanese who were born in other countries, such as brazil which has the largest japanese population outside japan. europe will likely face the same issue, with their deciling populations , but it will take bit longer.
[QUOTE=Bobie;39011192]is this your justification for racism[/QUOTE] Oh, so, what would you call an ethnicity that wreaks of corruption and just overall bad and truthful reputation? Would you want it in your country having the same or more benefits than most people who actually do something for a living and don't follow the same stained paths? How do you explain how for example gypsies in Europe are generally unwanted while lots of other ethnicities are A-ok? It's pretty easy for anyone outside of the whole matter to call someone a racist for not wanting an ethnicity out of their country without knowing even half the problems that come with it, which appears to be the rule here. The word "racist" here needs a whole stronger meaning, since one is labeled a racist for saying something as simple as "gypsies cause problems"
[QUOTE=dass;39011692]Oh, so, what would you call an ethnicity that wreaks of corruption and just overall bad and truthful reputation? Would you want it in your country having the same or more benefits than most people who actually do something for a living and don't follow the same stained paths? How do you explain how for example gypsies in Europe are generally unwanted while lots of other ethnicities are A-ok?[/QUOTE] you were banned 2 months ago for the same shit you're doing now, i think that should tell you that your expert opinion on gypsies is not wanted here
I can't believe you idiots are justifying racism
[QUOTE=thisispain;39011701]you were banned 2 months ago for the same shit you're doing now, i think that should tell you that your expert opinion on gypsies is not wanted here[/QUOTE] Where I apparently justified genocide without even talking about it. Totally justified. And I've probably been around gypsies more than you've ever been to know how far one can go, but hey, its generalizing right? It's probably just racism from people acting superior. But nah, let's see how this works out in a few years... It worked out pretty well for everywhere else didn't it? No problems at all right?...
[QUOTE=dass;39011692]Oh, so, what would you call an ethnicity that wreaks of corruption and just overall bad and truthful reputation?[/QUOTE] non existent
[QUOTE=dass;39011692]Oh, so, what would you call an ethnicity that wreaks of corruption and just overall bad and truthful reputation? Would you want it in your country having the same or more benefits than most people who actually do something for a living and don't follow the same stained paths? How do you explain how for example gypsies in Europe are generally unwanted while lots of other ethnicities are A-ok? It's pretty easy for anyone outside of the whole matter to call someone a racist for not wanting an ethnicity out of their country without knowing even half the problems that come with it, which appears to be the rule here. The word "racist" here needs a whole stronger meaning, since one is labeled a racist for saying something as simple as "gypsies cause problems"[/QUOTE] now where did i heard that again, ah yes [IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/51sso7.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Bobie;39011741]non existent[/QUOTE] In case it DID exist? [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Wizards Court;39011744]now where did i heard that again, ah yes [IMG]http://i46.tinypic.com/51sso7.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Yup, I totally talked about genocide. Right.
[QUOTE=dass;39011692]Oh, so, what would you call an ethnicity that wreaks of corruption and just overall bad and truthful reputation? Would you want it in your country having the same or more benefits than most people who actually do something for a living and don't follow the same stained paths? How do you explain how for example gypsies in Europe are generally unwanted while lots of other ethnicities are A-ok? It's pretty easy for anyone outside of the whole matter to call someone a racist for not wanting an ethnicity out of their country without knowing even half the problems that come with it, which appears to be the rule here. The word "racist" here needs a whole stronger meaning, since one is labeled a racist for saying something as simple as "gypsies cause problems"[/QUOTE] creative english isn't an excuse for casual or upfront discrimination towards gypsies
[QUOTE=dass;39011732] And I've probably been around gypsies more than you've ever been to know how far one can go[/QUOTE] no i've traveled with them for a bit because i wanted to know about them, i have a pretty great stack of diaries i wrote from it make more assumptions tho, please
[QUOTE=dass;39011766]In case it DID exist? [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] Yup, I totally talked about genocide. Right.[/QUOTE] if a gypsy hivemind existed then i would be far more worried about how they constructed a hivemind rather than the petty crimes they would be committing. i don't wanna be mind controlled by a central gypsy intelligence ok
[QUOTE=dass;39011766]In case it DID exist? [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] Yup, I totally talked about genocide. Right.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=dass;39011692][B]Oh, so, what would you call an ethnicity that wreaks of corruption and just overall bad and truthful reputation?[/B] [B]Would you want it in your country having the same or more benefits than most people who actually do something for a living and don't follow the same stained paths?[/B] [/QUOTE] nazis(Heinrich Himmler to be more specific): [quote]...The aim of measures taken by the State to defend the homogeneity of the German nation must be the physical separation of Gypsydom from the German nation.[/quote] i don't know, i think it sounds rather similar, hitler would be proud.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Spain[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Portugal[/url] Have a go at that.
[QUOTE=dass;39011811][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Spain[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Portugal[/url] Have a go at that.[/QUOTE] ok what am i looking for they have some interesting culture, that's nice
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;39011807]nazis(Heinrich Himmler to be more specific): i don't know, i think it sounds rather similar, hitler would be proud.[/QUOTE] Why are you twisting my words? What I said can be applied to any individual within any ethnicity (even white) I didn't talk about any homogeneity, what the fuck. I just made a comparison between someone who works and someone who doesn't works and still claims benefits. It's the same as any person running a scam to get unemployment funds until they run out, enlist on another job, and getting out as soon as they can claim unemployment funds again. [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;39011821]ok what am i looking for they have some interesting culture, that's nice[/QUOTE] Yes, dodge the bullet some more and don't read the section about criminality and the section on how [B]their nomadic lifestyle doesn't fits with the rest of the world, ence so many clashes between them.[/B]
[QUOTE=dass;39011834]Why are you twisting my words? What I said can be applied to any individual within any ethnicity (even white) I didn't talk about any homogeneity, what the fuck. I just made a comparison between someone who works and someone who doesn't works and still claims benefits.[/QUOTE] i didn't twist your words, it not my fault that what you said sounds similar to the excuse nazis gave to murder half-milion roma. and not every roma is like that, again you're generalizing horribly, did you knew that roma in france for instance find it extremely hard to get their children to study due to the goverment? the french goverment also makes it hard for them to find jobs and homes? then the goverment blames the roma for that lol, the same also happens in other countries.
[QUOTE=dass;39011834]Why are you twisting my words? What I said can be applied to any individual within any ethnicity (even white) I didn't talk about any homogeneity, what the fuck. I just made a comparison between someone who works and someone who doesn't works and still claims benefits. [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] Yes, dodge the bullet some more and don't read the section about criminality and the section on how [b]their nomadic lifestyle doesn't fits with the rest of the world, ence so many clashes between them.[/b][/QUOTE] ok i've dodged your 'bullet' and now i've read that there is a slightly larger proportion of romani women in prison than other ethnicities what now
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;39011864]i didn't twist your words, it not my fault that what you said sounds similar to the excuse nazis gave to murder half-milion roma.[/QUOTE] What. It doesn't sounds similar at all. [editline]29th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;39011865]ok i've dodged your 'bullet' and now i've read that there is a slightly larger proportion of romani women in prison than other ethnicities what now[/QUOTE] So you're willing to go all out to call someone a racist but you wont read half of a sentence?
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