Man hits $55 million jackpot, offered $90 and a meal instead
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[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33702467]Yeah, and chances are it was a mistake, and everyone is painting them as badguys just because they're a casino.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
Of course because the machines the manufacturers put out are absolutely flawless and have no imperfections or bugs. Its the [I]casino's[/I] that make the bugs.[/QUOTE]
The casino is responsible for their machines at all times. If the machines contained bugs or imperfections straight from production, the casino is still at fault for not doing a background check on the manufacturers and let an independent source check the machines.
[QUOTE=J!NX;33702757]yep lets just give him useless shit instead
Hell if I won 55 mil I'd be happy enough with 1 mil, but I'd greatly expect 2.5 mil...
Also, casino's are known for screwing people over, if you're winning too much they can take the money and kick you out for being too lucky.[/QUOTE]
The dinner was a "Sorry, we dun fucked up" and the $90 is completely out of context. It could be the money he spent that night, the money he spent to get there, the hotel bill, something to make it so that the only thing he loses by not [I]actually[/I] winning the 50 mil is time. Well now he's lost time, temper, gas, hotel, food for that day, and the ability to return to the casino. They were doing damage control, not bending him over a bench and reaming him.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33702836]The casino is responsible for their machines at all times. If the machines contained bugs or imperfections straight from production, the casino is still at fault for not doing a background check on the manufacturers and let an independent source check the machines.[/QUOTE]
It was an unpredictable error. They had no way of knowing that it would do that, manufacturer's, casino, maintenance crew, nobody could have predicted that.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33702838]The dinner was a "Sorry, we dun fucked up" and the $90 is completely out of context. It could be the money he spent that night, the money he spent to get there, the hotel bill, something to make it so that the only thing he loses by not [I]actually[/I] winning the 50 mil is time. Well now he's lost time, temper, gas, hotel, food for that day, and the ability to return to the casino. They were doing damage control, not bending him over a bench and reaming him.[/QUOTE]
"damage control"
yep well he still won a jackpot, it doesn't matter if it's a glitch or not, why the hell should he basically only get wasted time and that's it? They can't give him even a MERE ten thousand dollar reward for the jackpot? are you fucking kidding me?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33702838]The dinner was a "Sorry, we dun fucked up" and the $90 is completely out of context. It could be the money he spent that night, the money he spent to get there, the hotel bill, something to make it so that the only thing he loses by not [I]actually[/I] winning the 50 mil is time. Well now he's lost time, temper, gas, hotel, food for that day, and the ability to return to the casino. They were doing damage control, not bending him over a bench and reaming him.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
It was an unpredictable error. They had no way of knowing that it would do that, manufacturer's, casino, maintenance crew, nobody could have predicted that.[/QUOTE]
:downs:
There is a reason you test software and hardware till you want to kill yourself. If you didn't do that, it is entirely your fault when things fuck up, and you should pay for that.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33702906]:downs:
There is a reason you test software and hardware till you want to kill yourself. If you didn't do that, it is entirely your fault when things fuck up, and you should pay for that.[/QUOTE]
If you're a welder, and welding a chair from scrap to full chair, you make damn well known that that chair holds up, because if it doesn't, and someone uses it, gets a bloody nose, guess whose to blame? Not the guy that made the metal, the guy who had to make and maintain.
Same with a casino, if it breaks down, and like welds, and things do, you should take responsibility. And sure, it isn't entirely your fault, but you still have to deal with the consequences.
How did they settle on giving him $90 what the fuck that's a very strange amount of money to settle on.
I would personally have been scrutinizing the machine to determine the error. And either way, compensated him a relatively nice-sized jackpot, like $5,000 (which doesn't make you rich and isn't as nice sounding, but it's something) to $15,000, which is a bit nicer sounding. $90 was probably meant to compensate for his time (assuming of course that the casino is not scamming him), so this is all very optimistic.
[QUOTE=J!NX;33702940]If you're a welder, and welding a chair from scrap to full chair, you make damn well known that that chair holds up, because if it doesn't, and someone uses it, gets a bloody nose, guess whose to blame? Not the guy that made the metal, the guy who had to make and maintain.
Same with a casino, if it breaks down, and like welds, and things do, you should take responsibility. And sure, it isn't entirely your fault, but you still have to deal with the consequences.[/QUOTE]
That's what I said?
[QUOTE=J!NX;33702868]"damage control"
yep well he still won a jackpot, it doesn't matter if it's a glitch or not, why the hell should he basically only get wasted time and that's it? They can't give him even a MERE ten thousand dollar reward for the jackpot? are you fucking kidding me?[/QUOTE]
[I]ONLY[/I] 10,000 fucking dollars. No biggie. Doing that would be rewarding him for something that should not have happened, is an absolute mistake, and would show others that they get money if "something breaks", which is insane. So no, I'm not "fucking kidding".
It [I]should not have happened.[/I] He [I]should not have won that jackpot at all.[/I]
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33702906]:downs:
There is a reason you test software and hardware till you want to kill yourself. If you didn't do that, it is entirely your fault when things fuck up, and you should pay for that.[/QUOTE] Except they cannot possibly account for every error possible. Its not possible, because then their machines would be perfect, and thats simply not possible.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33703003]That's what I said?[/QUOTE]
I know I was just trying to be cool and make a different comparison to add onto your post.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33703028][I]ONLY[/I] 10,000 fucking dollars. No biggie. Doing that would be rewarding him for something that should not have happened, is an absolute mistake, and would show others that they get money if "something breaks", which is insane. So no, I'm not "fucking kidding".
It [I]should not have happened.[/I] He [I]should not have won that jackpot at all.[/I][/QUOTE]
It seems to me the 90$ and meal was just more to make the whole thing "disappear" so they didn't have to spend a lot of money on him.
[quote] Except they cannot possibly account for every error possible. Its not possible, because then their machines would be perfect, and thats simply not possible.[/quote]
True, but you do realize they still HAVE to take responsibility? Like a welder must for a bad weld?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33703028][I]ONLY[/I] 10,000 fucking dollars. No biggie. Doing that would be rewarding him for something that should not have happened, is an absolute mistake, and would show others that they get money if "something breaks", which is insane. So no, I'm not "fucking kidding".
It [I]should not have happened.[/I] He [I]should not have won that jackpot at all.[/I]
Except they cannot possibly account for every error possible. Its not possible, because then their machines would be perfect, and thats simply not possible.[/QUOTE]
Something like this doesn't "just happen", this can't be caused by something breaking or anything. Bad programming is what is at fault here. The casino should pay up here, and then claim damages from the manufacturers. Simple as that.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;33703029]I know I was just trying to be cool and make a different comparison to add onto your post.
It seems to me the 90$ and meal was just more to make the whole thing "disappear" so they didn't have to spend a lot of money on him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, sorry.
[quote]"The jackpot came up loud and clear. There was music and the sum I had won - [B]nearly 43 million euros[/B] ($55 million) - was displayed on a screen. I was so overjoyed and in my head I began calculating what I could do with all this money," Merlaku told The Daily Mail.[/quote]
Nearly 43 eh? Perhaps that value might be €42,949,672.95, which by a happy coincidence just happens to be the overflow value for an unsigned 4 byte number.
AKA a value you're not going to see unless something breaks horrendously.
I'm also willing to bet that the casino rules are quite specific about this sort of thing, and the $90 was the best offer he's going to get over this.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33702157]So it's ok for bank to not pay because of a glitch but casino has to pay for a glitch? Makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]
it's illegal in some countries, like in mine.
hopefully he actuallys win some money in court, even if the 55 mil was a bug its still a super shit excuse
[QUOTE=Lexic;33703154]Nearly 43 eh? Perhaps that value might be €42,949,672.95, which by a happy coincidence just happens to be the overflow value for an unsigned 4 byte number.[/QUOTE]
It is! Well, almost. There are 85 cents at the end, not 95. Here's the mentioned video: [url]http://www.blick.ch/news/das-handyvideo-vom-jackpot-der-angeblich-keiner-war-vid23473[/url]
At the end he reads the complete amount.
Edit: Google says it was 42,949,672.[i]95[/i] not 42,949,672.[i]85[/i].
[QUOTE=Lexic;33703154]Nearly 43 eh? Perhaps that value might be €42,949,672.95, which by a happy coincidence just happens to be the overflow value for an unsigned 4 byte number.
AKA a value you're not going to see unless something breaks horrendously.
I'm also willing to bet that the casino rules are quite specific about this sort of thing, and the $90 was the best offer he's going to get over this.[/QUOTE]
This seems like a really reasonable explanation.
Ha, he thinks casinos actually pay out...
[QUOTE=Lexic;33703154]Nearly 43 eh? Perhaps that value might be €42,949,672.95, which by a happy coincidence just happens to be the overflow value for an unsigned 4 byte number.
AKA a value you're not going to see unless something breaks horrendously.
I'm also willing to bet that the casino rules are quite specific about this sort of thing, and the $90 was the best offer he's going to get over this.[/QUOTE]
Interesting design choice, making the machine go JACKPOT JACKPOT 42 MILLION YOU'RE A WINNER, KID! in the event of some sort of integer overflow on a machine made for a casino with a 2.5 million max payout. Rather than, say, ERROR blinking on the screen or something...
[QUOTE=DasMatze;33703328]It is! Well, almost. There are 85 cents at the end, not 95. Here's the mentioned video: [url]http://www.blick.ch/news/das-handyvideo-vom-jackpot-der-angeblich-keiner-war-vid23473[/url]
At the end he reads the complete amount.[/QUOTE]
In which case, my suggestion would be that the current jackpot was 0, and he somehow did something which deducted 10¢ (some penalty in the game) and it did 0 - 10 which results in this: [[url=http://codepad.org/mpZWVFSN]Codepad Example[/url]].
Whoops, sloppy coding on the manufacturer's part, but he hasn't won anything. He got this by failing.
[QUOTE=J!NX;33702940]If you're a welder, and welding a chair from scrap to full chair, you make damn well known that that chair holds up, because if it doesn't, and someone uses it, gets a bloody nose, guess whose to blame? Not the guy that made the metal, the guy who had to make and maintain.
Same with a casino, if it breaks down, and like welds, and things do, you should take responsibility. And sure, it isn't entirely your fault, but you still have to deal with the consequences.[/QUOTE]
What a horrid comparison. The casino didn't make the machine, or the parts, they simply used it. A better comparison would be if the casino bought a bunch of pre-made chairs and one of them broke; who are you going to be upset with, the people who made the chair or the people who bought the chair? Now, this is provided said chair was well maintained, which we don't know if it was or not.
If it really was a software glitch that said there was a win when only four of the five things lined up or whatever, then I don't see why the casino should have to pay the person anything. That's not to say they couldn't have handled the situation better, but anyway.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;33703467]Interesting design choice, making the machine go JACKPOT JACKPOT 42 MILLION YOU'RE A WINNER, KID! in the event of some sort of integer overflow on a machine made for a casino with a 2.5 million max payout. Rather than, say, ERROR blinking on the screen or something...[/QUOTE]
You can't detect an error which you don't know is there.
You would have a bit of code that attempts to prevent integer overflow in whatever case he hit in the game's random chance. Clearly it didn't work, but the rest of the machine has absolutely no way of knowing that anything has gone wrong and since the jackpot variable has just gone over the "stop playing and pay out now" limit (probably about 1 million tops, it's a slot machine, the casino has no wish for you to be able to get anything satisfactory on it, let alone hit the legal payout limit), it thinks the user has won and sets off the siren.
There's no reason for it to even think about validating the results of the ModifyJackpot (or whatever) subroutine, because it's supposed to be validated before in said subroutine and you trust your own code to do what it's supposed to do.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;33703584]What a horrid comparison. The casino didn't make the machine, or the parts, they simply used it. A better comparison would be if the casino bought a bunch of pre-made chairs and one of them broke; who are you going to be upset with, the people who made the chair or the people who bought the chair? Now, this is provided said chair was well maintained, which we don't know if it was or not.
If it really was a software glitch that said there was a win when only four of the five things lined up or whatever, then I don't see why the casino should have to pay the person anything. That's not to say they couldn't have handled the situation better, but anyway.[/QUOTE]
If the chair breaks, the place is still going to have to pay compensation for the chair breaking and hurting someone, much like how this 'malfunction' possibly cost that man a load of money.
Those pricks. Why would they ban him from the casino?
[quote]in my head I began calculating what I could do with all this money," Merlaku told The Daily Mail.
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gamble it probably
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;33703818]Those pricks. Why would they ban him from the casino?[/QUOTE]
We don't know, article is tailored against the casino.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33703767]much like how this 'malfunction' possibly cost that man a load of money.[/QUOTE]
what...
people gamble knowing full well that chances are they [I]won't get[/I] their money's worth back what are you talking about
[QUOTE=Kalibos;33703852]what...
people gamble knowing full well that chances are they [I]won't get[/I] their money's worth back what are you talking about[/QUOTE]
Yeah but it came up that he'd son, so glitch or not, he should get the money the machine said he had won
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33703836]We don't know, article is tailored against the casino.[/QUOTE]
Casinos throw people out for winning too much all the time, they're not exactly the fairest of institutions.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33703879]Yeah but it came up that he'd son, so glitch or not, he should get the money the machine said he had won
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So if you're racing, and you're in third place, and you clear the finish line and YOUR name shows up as the first place winner, do you still win? No. Because you lost. It doesn't matter what is there or how clear it is that it is there... you still lose, and you don't get the cup cause something goofed.
[quote]Casinos throw people out for winning too much all the time, they're not exactly the fairest of institutions.[/QUOTE]
And there are people here that bandwagon on the "X is bad because of Y" wagon without reading into the whole thing. They take an obviously biased article and devour it and then get pissy when people oppose them trying to explain what could have happened instead, not exactly the fairest of forums.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33703974]So if you're racing, and you're in third place, and you clear the finish line and YOUR name shows up as the first place winner, do you still win? No. Because you lost. It doesn't matter what is there or how clear it is that it is there... you still lose, and you don't get the cup cause something goofed.
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Not really the same thing.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33701695]Yeah, bugs aren't intentional, and it did get his hopes up only to be met with some pocket change and a big mac... but you still aren't looking at this from their perspective.
Your casino is doing grand, people in, people out, money money money.
SUddenly, a man explodes in joy saying he won the jackpot of $55 million.
Thats funny, that shouldn't have been possible. Jackpots aren't supposed to be higher than $2.5 million.
He runs around happily, and then your boss gets to tell him that his win isn't legit, there was an error that has never been seen before in their systems and its actually a false jackpot. They'd be more than happy to pay for a nice dinner and $90 (which seems like it'd be the money he spent that night, possibly gas, or the fare at the hotel he might have stayed at), but they're sorry that this has happened and they'll try to not let it happen again. And then the dude flips his shit and refuses the dinner and $90, and may have been a total ass about it, we don't know because the article doesn't say because its aimed to make the casino look like a bunch of dickbutts. He could have been a total ass about it, and the casino threw him out cause... he was a total ass about it.[/QUOTE]
Um, so what is the error here, the fact that the man won a jackpot, or the fact that the jackpot was too high?
If the error was someone actually winning, the casino should pay the full jackpot and probably be fined heavily if not closed down for having a scam exposed, if the error was the jackpot amount, explain to him that the machine's jackpot amount wasn't calibrated correctly, and then pay him the normal jackpot instead.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
You're making a really pathetic case for the casino's defense
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