Man hits $55 million jackpot, offered $90 and a meal instead
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;33704071]Um, so what is the error here, the fact that the man won a jackpot, or the fact that the jackpot was too high?
If the error was someone actually winning, the casino should pay the full jackpot and probably be fined heavily if not closed down for having a scam exposed, if the error was the jackpot amount, explain to him that the machine's jackpot amount wasn't calibrated correctly, and then pay him the normal jackpot instead.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
You're making a really pathetic case for the casino's defense[/QUOTE]
He didn't win but the machine glitched and outputted it as a win.
Like that dude said, you get third place in the race but still get marked as first place by mistake.
They should have to prove said malfunction, and pay regardless as the machine said he won.
[QUOTE=nivek;33704286]They should have to prove said malfunction, and pay regardless as the machine said he won.[/QUOTE]Agree on first one but not second.
Who actually goes to a casino and expects to come back with more money than you started.
I think it's kind of dumb that he expects to have won $55 million.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33704071]Um, so what is the error here, the fact that the man won a jackpot, or the fact that the jackpot was too high?
If the error was someone actually winning, the casino should pay the full jackpot and probably be fined heavily if not closed down for having a scam exposed, if the error was the jackpot amount, explain to him that the machine's jackpot amount wasn't calibrated correctly, and then pay him the normal jackpot instead.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
You're making a really pathetic case for the casino's defense[/QUOTE]
Um, duh. Casinos are all scams. This has been known forever, but people still keep going.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;33704610]Who actually goes to a casino and expects to come back with more money than you started.
I think it's kind of dumb that he expects to have won $55 million.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
Um, duh. Casinos are all scams. This has been known forever, but people still keep going.[/QUOTE]
yea what a dumbass lol y's he so upset that he won but they wont give him money??
cost of business, you're responsible for the malfunction, and i'd bet money there was no malfunction and they're bullshitting him.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33704071]Um, so what is the error here, the fact that the man won a jackpot, or the fact that the jackpot was too high?
If the error was someone actually winning, the casino should pay the full jackpot and probably be fined heavily if not closed down for having a scam exposed, if the error was the jackpot amount, explain to him that the machine's jackpot amount wasn't calibrated correctly, and then pay him the normal jackpot instead.
[editline]13th December 2011[/editline]
You're making a really pathetic case for the casino's defense[/QUOTE]
The error is that the slot machine announced that the man had won a non existent jackpot because something went wrong inside it.
[QUOTE=The Combine;33700654]Read about this in our local newspaper today, what a load of shit.[/QUOTE]
You are the second Austrian i've ever seen on facepunch.
He's definitely not going to get the full amount. And don't casinos have these policies which you agree to upon walking in if there is software malfunction that you won't get paid?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33704633]and i'd bet money there was no malfunction and they're bullshitting him.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]and i'd bet money[/quote]:v:
Actually there was a malfunction. Normally it's impossible to win jackpot.
-snip- nevermind different incident i think
Whilst I don't think he should get the money for a malfunction (though $90 and a dinner is bullshit, should have gotten at least a few hundred), it's raised a very interesting point; how do they know that the win was a mistake if there's meant to be a chance of it happening? I can get that they can't dispense $55 mill willy-nilly, but at the least he should've gotten the proper amount.
So either he's not being given the money he deserves, or that casino is draining people's pockets and claiming there's a chance of winning it back when there isn't. Either way, this man deserves to win his suit and I hope the casino gets what's coming to 'em.
I'm all for giving this guy [i]something[/i] but I mean you're all getting kind of riled up over a $55,000,000 payout for playing a game of chance that he probably only put a few bucks into. Even if he was there, playing for months, you can't really argue that they're nullifying his progress towards winning, since each and every game is once again a fresh game of chance.
Don't new video games cost more than $90 over there? That's bullshit
:v:
They should at least prove that it was a "malfunction", instead of just telling him that it was.
[QUOTE=Lexic;33703733]You can't detect an error which you don't know is there.
You would have a bit of code that attempts to prevent integer overflow in whatever case he hit in the game's random chance. Clearly it didn't work, but the rest of the machine has absolutely no way of knowing that anything has gone wrong and since the jackpot variable has just gone over the "stop playing and pay out now" limit (probably about 1 million tops, it's a slot machine, the casino has no wish for you to be able to get anything satisfactory on it, let alone hit the legal payout limit), it thinks the user has won and sets off the siren.
There's no reason for it to even think about validating the results of the ModifyJackpot (or whatever) subroutine, because it's supposed to be validated before in said subroutine and you trust your own code to do what it's supposed to do.[/QUOTE]
I understand that machines cannot solve problems by abstract thinking in the way humans can and rely solely on their instructions, but you'd think a machine with the potential to put millions of its owner's dollars at stake would be designed to handle such things better...
[quote] result of a software glitch[/quote]
What bullshit. Someone was going to win that jackpot at some point in that Casino's existence, I don't doubt they'd lie and say it's a glitch to continue with taking everyone's money.
[QUOTE=Lexic;33703154]Nearly 43 eh? Perhaps that value might be €42,949,672.95, which by a happy coincidence just happens to be the overflow value for an unsigned 4 byte number.
AKA a value you're not going to see unless something breaks horrendously.
I'm also willing to bet that the casino rules are quite specific about this sort of thing, and the $90 was the best offer he's going to get over this.[/QUOTE]
When you fill 32 bits with 1s, this creates a binary number that represents +2 to the power of 32, minus 1, as 4294967295.
[QUOTE=bopie;33706556]When you fill 32 bits with 1s, this creates a binary number that represents +2 to the power of 32, minus 1, as 4294967295.[/QUOTE]This makes sense. Kinda confirms it was a software glitch.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;33706424]I understand that machines cannot solve problems by abstract thinking in the way humans can and rely solely on their instructions, but you'd think a machine with the potential to put millions of its owner's dollars at stake would be designed to handle such things better...[/QUOTE]
It's a tragedy that the tech arena is littered with very cheap programmers who are crap and very expensive programmers who are also crap but exceptionally good at making computer illiterate people (such as project managers) think they are not.
Shit happens.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33703767]If the chair breaks, the place is still going to have to pay compensation for the chair breaking and hurting someone, much like how this 'malfunction' possibly cost that man a load of money.[/QUOTE]
Except that's why businesses fine print saying "if our shit breaks due to unforeseeable reasons while you're doing whatever, it's not our goddamn problem, because we're not omniscient accident prevention systems."
I'm pretty sure a casino is loaded with such stuff, because, yeah, accidents like this one happen and it would be absurd to hold them accountable to random errors just because they might get somebody excited. If you can't deal with letdowns your ass shouldn't be in a casino to begin with.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33703974]So if you're racing, and you're in third place, and you clear the finish line and YOUR name shows up as the first place winner, do you still win? No. Because you lost. It doesn't matter what is there or how clear it is that it is there... you still lose, and you don't get the cup cause something goofed.
And there are people here that bandwagon on the "X is bad because of Y" wagon without reading into the whole thing. They take an obviously biased article and devour it and then get pissy when people oppose them trying to explain what could have happened instead, not exactly the fairest of forums.[/QUOTE]
Not the same at all, racing is a skill thing, this is all luck. Just because the machine fucked up doesn't mean he didn't...well, have all that luck. He deserves the maximum payout, just because the machine went too high doesn't mean he didn't win.
disappointment at it's best
What a fucking flop.
[QUOTE=Lexic;33703574]In which case, my suggestion would be that the current jackpot was 0, and he somehow did something which deducted 10¢ (some penalty in the game) and it did 0 - 10 which results in this: [[url=http://codepad.org/mpZWVFSN]Codepad Example[/url]].
Whoops, sloppy coding on the manufacturer's part, but he hasn't won anything. He got this by failing.[/QUOTE]
Really surprising that they didn't notice sucking at the game would show the best win ever.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33703974]So if you're racing, and you're in third place, and you clear the finish line and YOUR name shows up as the first place winner, do you still win? No. Because you lost. It doesn't matter what is there or how clear it is that it is there... you still lose, and you don't get the cup cause something goofed.[/QUOTE]That is a race, while this was slots. The only difference between a "winner" and a "loser" in slots is if you're lucky enough for the machine to side with you for once.
[QUOTE=nivek;33704286]They should have to prove said malfunction, and pay regardless as the machine said he won.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Legally if you advertise something as price X but it's really price Y you MUST let the consumer buy it for price X as that is what was advertised.
[QUOTE=lunarwalrus;33702541]I'm sorry not to be a dick but what are you doing man. You're arguing in favour of a casino in Austria, for an event that has no significance to you whatsoever.
Go play a game or something man this is stupid.[/QUOTE]
For a guy who is not trying you are surprisingly good at it.
We don't know the whole story, we don't know whether there was an actual win or if it was a glitch. If there is a legal limit to the maximum win, why did the machine show a huge jackpot? Is it part of the glitch or is it simply the casino luring people in?
Stop making all these assumptions about who is right and who is wrong without seeing the whole picture. Casino's are out there to make money, but that does not automatically make them soulless assholes, in fact a win like this (if we considered the legal limit of 2.5 million) would probably benefit the casino since more people (people who believe in luck) will go there. At the same time, the guy has a point as well and if the casino actually misled him, he should be fully compensated.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;33707459]Yes, Legally if you advertise something as price X but it's really price Y you MUST let the consumer buy it for price X as that is what was advertised.[/QUOTE]
No that's not true. They usually state in the fine print that no rights can be derived from the advertisement.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;33707497]No that's not true. They usually state in the fine print that no rights can be derived from the advertisement.[/QUOTE]
In UK shops, if a price is displayed, no matter what the computer says, that price is what should be paid. So if they accidentally label a £10 product as £0.50, they have to sell it for £0.50. They can however, remove the label to show the correct price, but must honour that price for any customers who claim they saw it as that.
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