Big Bang was mirage from collapsing higher-dimensional star, theorists propose.
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[QUOTE=Conspirator;42280305]I thought time was the fourth dimension.[/QUOTE]
according to one science fiction writer over a hundred years ago, yeah. Actual scientists says that time is not a dimension.
What the hell is even a 4D Star?
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;42280467]Time is not a spacial dimension, "4d" refers to a fourth spacial dimension.[/QUOTE]
4D doesn't really imply talking about spatial dimensions only.
the only reason time was called a fourth dimension was to justify time travel
[QUOTE=Saxon;42280502]What the hell is even a 4D Star?[/QUOTE]
think of an ordinary 3d star, then add a dimension.
[QUOTE=Gyrodine;42280389]What are you smoking, and where can I get some?[/QUOTE]
This theory has actually been proposed by people so many times that it's certainly in popular culture by now, and I wouldn't be surprised if researching it was put onto at least one scientist's to-do list at some point.
It'd probably be with the low priority shit, like testing whether or not 2-in-1 shampoo burns brighter than regular shampoo or something, but still.
[QUOTE=ief014;42280512]think of an ordinary 3d star, then add a dimension.[/QUOTE]
I can't even comprehend :suicide:
[QUOTE=DrDevil;42280504]4D doesn't really imply talking about spatial dimensions only.[/QUOTE]
it does when talking about a 4d star.
Maybe, the universe is God?
[QUOTE=butre;42280489]according to one science fiction writer over a hundred years ago, yeah. Actual scientists says that time is not a dimension.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=butre;42280509]the only reason time was called a fourth dimension was to justify time travel[/QUOTE]
You're full of shit. You need a temporal dimension to describe change.
[QUOTE=DrDevil;42280504]4D doesn't really imply talking about spatial dimensions only.[/QUOTE]
Yes it does. It automatically means that.
Time [B]can[/B] be "a" dimension [I]in a sense[/I], but 1-2-3 dimensions refers to a space that can support a line, a plane, and a cube, respectively; the fourth dimension continues that sequence of spacial dimensions. There's no ambiguity here, time is not the fourth dimension and referring to it as such is incorrect.
[QUOTE=Del91;42280277]I'm not sure I can even comprehend the implications of this, but
Mind=blown sums it up for me.[/QUOTE]
*Mind = collapsed into a black hole
do it right, goddamnit
anyways, I'm a bit dubious at best.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;42280549]You're full of shit. You need a temporal dimension to describe change.[/QUOTE]
time is an idea, not a dimension. this is supported by the fact that time can seem as if it were passing at a different rate than usual (hence expressions like "time flies" or "long day at work")
My brain contains a 2 dimensional universe.
Pretty sure I said almost the same thing about being in a black hole in another thread about black holes somewhere.
[QUOTE=butre;42280483]"hypothesis"
I hypothesize that the whole universe isn't actually there and you're just making it up[/QUOTE]
gonna totally burst your bubble and say hypothesizes need backing evidence sorry
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your third-grade potato battery doesn't count
the universe is gay
[QUOTE=butre;42280586]time is an idea, not a dimension. this is supported by the fact that time can seem as if it were passing at a different rate than usual (hence expressions like "time flies" or "long day at work")[/QUOTE]
Those are psychological effects on our perception of time - time is real, time measurements are human construct
[QUOTE=Saxon;42280526]I can't even comprehend :suicide:[/QUOTE]
no one can comprehend the physical fourth dimension, our brains are just simply wired for a three-dimensional universe. however, we can think of it in theory.
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;42280623]Those are psychological effects on our perception of time - time is real, time measurements are human construct[/QUOTE]
time is very real considering we can consistently measure the effects of time dilation on timepieces
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;42280615]gonna totally burst your bubble and say hypothesizes need backing evidence sorry
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your third-grade potato battery doesn't count[/QUOTE]
it's not like they have much evidence that it's a 4d black hole either
When people bring up time as being a dimension, remind them that you're talking about spatial dimensions.
What if aliens reveal themselves to humanity, like, hack all the communication channels across the globe with this message:
"PFFFF HAAHAHAHAHA FOURTH DIMENSIONAL BLACK HOLE HAHAHA YOU HUMANS ARE RETARDED."
And then we never, ever hear from them again. Wouldn't that be a total mindfuck?
[QUOTE=butre;42280630]it's not like they have much evidence that it's a 4d black hole either[/QUOTE]
Although they have a significant lack of evidence, the simple fact that the expansion of the universe is uniform in all directions means its actually got a chance, however small, of being right. That's all they need to form a hypothesis really, hell if you have enough know-how you could probably form one right here and now.
Is it possible for stars to form in a universe with 4 spatial dimensions? I was under the impression that gravity would function differently to the point of not allowing stable orbits, though I guess that would just increase the number of black holes.
[QUOTE=danharibo;42280717]Is it possible for stars to form in a universe with 4 spatial dimensions? I was under the impression that gravity would function differently to the point of not allowing stable orbits, though I guess that would just increase the number of black holes.[/QUOTE]
You could also hypothesize that "gravity" is the manifestation of moving in another dimension. We just need to advance the theories that we currently have until we reach the point where we see their limitations, and create another theory that can succeed the current one in every way.
does this mean i'm gonna die?
[QUOTE=mochisushi;42280328]I came up with this theory on the spot as an example of how theories can be equivalent, in the matter of a few seconds, seeing literally what I came up with easily is hilarious. This theory is not equivalent however, it can deduce more than the current theory, so, yay.[/QUOTE]
Occam's Razor: The simplest answer to a problem is usually the best one.
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[QUOTE=Del91;42280448][url]http://orteil.dashnet.org/nested[/url][/QUOTE]Someone referenced this once, and I never knew what they meant..
[QUOTE=BCell;42280547]Maybe, the universe is God?[/QUOTE]Space-worship
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