Big Bang was mirage from collapsing higher-dimensional star, theorists propose.
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[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;42280340]uh pretty sure this idea's been around for a while[/QUOTE]
Yes, but this is the first scientific proof that has come out for this particular theory, if you read the article.
Myself, I'll probably just wait and see how the scientific community tends to it. It's going to take a lot to get people off of the big-bang mentality.
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I technically shouldn't be calling it a theory, but you get my point.
I don't know anything about this... But, am I right, kinda?
1D is a line, 2D is a square. 1D -> 2D = adding many lines (slices) together to form a square.
2D is a square, 3D is a cube. 2D -> 3D = adding many squares (slices) together to form a cube.
3D is a cube, 4D is [there's a name for this but I don't know it]. 3D -> 4D = adding many cubes (slices) together to form a []. Or, a 4th dimension would mean that our physical reality is only one slice of a larger picture. An easy way to imagine this would be in terms of frequencies, such that if you were able to change in frequency (go to another slice) like you do on a radio, you'd to go another physical reality.
[QUOTE=counterpo0;42280419]SO maybe within other black holes is other universes?
So what if we are in a black hole in a sea of black holes containing black holes that hold other holes into other universes.
That's alot of holes.[/QUOTE]
This is actually a very popular theory, each black hole forming a new 'universe bubble'.
[QUOTE=Epiclulz762;42280929]Yea and the world is flat, ha![/QUOTE]
Except that Earth isn't flat and assuming the Earth is flat would leave too many questions unanswered.
Note: Simplest [b]answer[/b]
[QUOTE=adnzzzzZ;42280970]I don't know anything about this... But, am I right, kinda?
1D is a line, 2D is a square. 1D -> 2D = adding many lines (slices) together to form a square.
2D is a square, 3D is a cube. 2D -> 3D = adding many squares (slices) together to form a cube.
3D is a cube, 4D is [there's a name for this but I don't know it]. 3D -> 4D = adding many cubes (slices) together to form a []. Or, a 4th dimension would mean that our physical reality is only one slice of a larger picture. An easy way to imagine this would be in terms of frequencies, such that if you were able to change in frequency (go to another slice) like you do on a radio, you'd to go another physical reality.[/QUOTE]
sort of, 1d to 2d is adding a line perpendicular to the other line. 2d to 3d is adding another line perpendicular to the other lines. 3d to 4d would be adding another line perpendicular to all the lines in 3d.
it seems impossible because this is a 3d universe and in a 3d universe it IS impossible. in a 4d universe there's simply another direction that's perpendicular (the correct term is orthogonal) to the 3 in 3d.
[QUOTE=Saxon;42280526]I can't even comprehend :suicide:[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space[/url]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Clifford-torus.gif[/img]
It's both simple and not at the same time. It still irks me a bit.
So our black holes are actually 2D universes?
[QUOTE=TheTalon;42280342]What if our universe is really small, and makes up part of some small building block (Like a cell in our body) of something much bigger, and that goes on and on and on and on[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrocosm_and_microcosm[/url]
the greeks beat you to that idea
[QUOTE=butre;42280586]this is supported by the fact that time can seem as if it were passing at a different rate than usual (hence expressions like "time flies" or "long day at work")[/QUOTE]
how you perceive time has no bearing on what time actually is
you can make mistakes when judging distances or the sizes of objects, but that doesn't suddenly alter them, it's still just your brain messing with you
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;42281183]how you perceive time has no bearing on what time actually is
you can make mistakes when judging distances or the sizes of objects, but that doesn't suddenly alter them, it's still just your brain messing with you[/QUOTE]
or everything happened at once and we are just experiencing the stretched out linen of time in linear fashion
(god i hate that idea)
changed the title
was "Universe actually a 4-D black hole"
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42280390]the more we learn about the universe, the more it seems like a bad 70s sci-fi.[/QUOTE]better that than 20's cosmic horror scifi
Neato.
So its a star that blew up so hard, it affected another [I]dimension?[/I]
Christ, what did they do to it?
[QUOTE=butre;42280586]time is an idea, not a dimension. this is supported by the fact that time can seem as if it were passing at a different rate than usual (hence expressions like "time flies" or "long day at work")[/QUOTE]
I really hope this post is a joke.
[QUOTE=butre;42280489]according to one science fiction writer over a hundred years ago, yeah. Actual scientists says that time is not a dimension.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow, maybe google "General Relativity" or something.
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;42280530]nah I'll stick to The Big Bang Theory, i love that show[/QUOTE]
Actually, this post is worse
[QUOTE=counterpo0;42280419]SO maybe within other black holes is other universes?
So what if we are in a black hole in a sea of black holes containing black holes that hold other holes into other universes.
That's alot of holes.[/QUOTE]
what if nebulas are the exit point of black holes from another universe~~~~~~
I knew Big Bang wasn't the beginning, it was just the furthest that our primitive scientists could come up with.
If I get this correctly, then our universe is merely some kind of thin, three-dimensional film of material floating at the event horizon of a 4D black hole.
That's a cool hypothesis.
When you consider that a 3D black hole has a similar space, that would mean that each black hole in our universe potentially has a two-dimensional universe floating around it.
The universe is actually a big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey... stuff.
Fuck! Why do you people keep taking newly proposed ideas as facts??
[QUOTE=Swebonny;42281858]Fuck! Why do you people keep taking newly proposed ideas as facts??[/QUOTE]Science is like a flashbang to a lot of people here; they get blinded by [B][I][U]SCIENCE[/U][/I][/B], and generally don't bother to read the article (as is par for the course here, really)
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42281880]Science is like a flashbang to a lot of people here; they get blinded by [B][I][U]SCIENCE[/U][/I][/B], and generally don't bother to read the article (as is par for the course here, really)[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQR1r1KTjaE[/media]
Everyone in a nutshell
[QUOTE=Del91;42280330]IIRC, the so called String Theory, or M theory, don't remember if they're the same thing or even if they're viable anymore, but supposedly they state that there could be 9+ dimensions.[/QUOTE]
The idea is that there's something like 13 dimensions, our known 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension, and then 9 dimensions that essentially anchor us to the brane that our universe exists on.
[QUOTE=uitham;42280321]there is no set fourth dimension it can be anything[/QUOTE]
Uh, yes there is.
Imagine a cube but now have it so each corner has four 90 degree angles coming out of it instead of three. If you can't imagine it, you're living in three dimensions.
[QUOTE=ief014;42280484]not believing a thing until johnnymo1 give's the thumbs up
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I'm quite skeptical about this article[/QUOTE]
You should be. The first sentence is "It could be time to bid the Big Bang bye-bye." Pfff hahaha no. You should know not to hyperbole so hard, Nature.
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[QUOTE=Stopper;42282488]Uh, yes there is.
Imagine a cube but now have it so each corner has four 90 degree angles coming out of it instead of three. If you can't imagine it, you're living in three dimensions.[/QUOTE]
No not really. We can play with the topology of the fourth dimension to make it appear that there's only three. That's what happens in string theory. Higher dimensions are curled up to make there seem to be only three spatial dimensions.
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[QUOTE=Swebonny;42281858]Fuck! Why do you people keep taking newly proposed ideas as facts??[/QUOTE]
Because skepticism is for squares
so wait this suggests that we live in a universe inside another universe or something
fuck i can't even understand
That star is something we can't comprehend in our own minds.
Divine, and majestic.
Flying through 4d space.
Made of spaghetti.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42280390]the more we learn about the universe, the more it seems like a bad 70s sci-fi.[/QUOTE]
God really liked them I suppose
But if that's how our corner of reality came to be, what caused this "higher-dimensional star" to come into existence in the first place? That's one of the things to think about concerning this theory.
what is it about science threads that make people try [i]aggressively[/i] to be deep about it
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