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[QUOTE=MillySoose;46154408]I watched the Ted Talk given by Flynn and I thought it was very enlightening. He points out some things like that a score of 100 in 1930 would be only 70 today, clinically retarded. So go ahead and watch that first before reading the rest of my comment. Now early I alluded that advancements were not brought solely by natural ability (ability to solve problems unrelated to facts) but by it combined with concrete information. It seems that people in the past did far worse when thinking about abstract concepts than we do today. They were not concerned with the hypothetical questions, the kind you have to answer on IQ tests. IQ test scores did improve, and by the 1990s they reached their peak. But now they are falling in modern countries. Flynn also points out the ignorance that has encompassed society. An IQ test cannot measure this in a person. It is only able to draw on their ability to work with abstract concepts. So have we actually gotten any smarter? I'd say yes and no. As IQ scores went up, scores on SAT tests went down. Now they are both decreasing. What do you make of that? I'm still defending IQ as an accurate gauge of intelligence if you're curious. It is certainly a fair measure of abstract thought. But that is only one field of intelligence. The other compoents cannot be easily tested for. So think of intelligence as a two or three part test. If one person scores 15/20 on part A and the other 20/20, but the parts B and C are missing, who did better on the test? Person A 15 + ? + ? Person B 20 + ? + ? Since we cannot know their scores on the two parts, and thus cannot make any differentiations between them, they are essentially equivalent. So from that data alone we can say that the second person is more intelligent. But then does this confirm that we've gotten smarter as a society because IQ tests have increased (Aside from IQ scores now decreasing)? No, because we have data for the other "?"s, whatever you want to classify them as. And this shows things like SAT scores dropping, people doing less reading, etc.[/QUOTE] So in other words, intelligence is now not only about IQ, it is about a vague, unknowable equation whose result is "intelligence?" And that you can accurately and demonstrably track that "intelligence" is declining without knowing how or why, since we "cannot know" as it can't be tested for, cannot be measured?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;46160313]So in other words, intelligence is now not only about IQ, it is about a vague, unknowable equation whose result is "IQ?"[/QUOTE] No, not exactly. But it's a generally agreed component of intelligence, one that can be easily measured across all peoples without any former education because it uses abstract concepts and not concrete information. I debated this with myself, because again someone from the 1930s would be labeled literally retarded on a modern IQ test. And I mean that word seriously. But this is exactly what an IQ test is designed to measure and that result makes perfect sense if you consider how people back then processed information. IQ does not equate to overall intelligence but it is certainly an indicator and it is easy to measure. There is no formula for intelligence. It's whatever you make of it, but there are things we know are related and can test for. This includes the results on an IQ test.
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