• Conservatives are Semi-Communists
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Communism or "Communist" is an [B]immense[/B] generalization. It's like Calling somebody a Capitalist, or saying "Fascism is close to Capitalism". There's many different forms and styles of capitalism, and all the morals and political views that come with it.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;24680623]"Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production." Hierarchy breeds corruption, either leads to the downfall of the state, or a mutation of the state away from its original purposes. In the former, revolution is not needed. In the latter, revolution is inevitable.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you even fucking talking about?
Do people still think Communism is something bad ?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;24681293]Do people still think Communism is something bad ?[/QUOTE] One could ask "Do people still think communism is something good?" all the same.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24681364]One could ask "Do people still think communism is something good?" all the same.[/QUOTE] Except it is. Much better then mr. privatebusinessisbetterilikeratshitinmyfood
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24681364]One could ask "Do people still think communism is something good?" all the same.[/QUOTE] The ideal of communism and the ideal of capitalism are both impossible, but at least communism sounds better because of the flaws in capitalism itself.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24682483]The ideal of communism and the ideal of capitalism are both impossible, but at least communism sounds better because of the flaws in capitalism itself.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Warhol;24681420]Except it is. Much better then mr. privatebusinessisbetterilikeratshitinmyfood[/QUOTE] the fact that socialist countries tend to lean more towards capitalism as time goes on shows you something i don't know what it is, but i'm pretty sure in today's modern world you gotta embrace capitalism else where the fuck am i supposed to buy radiohead cd's from
[QUOTE=thisispain;24682519]the fact that socialist countries tend to lean more towards capitalism as time goes on shows you something i don't know what it is, but i'm pretty sure in today's modern world you gotta embrace capitalism else where the fuck am i supposed to buy radiohead cd's from[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it doesn't work better in the real world. The ideal societal structure I can think of is a capitalist socialist democratic republic.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24682583]I'm not saying it doesn't work better in the real world. The ideal societal structure I can think of is a capitalist socialist democratic republic.[/QUOTE] i don't know if it's ideal but it's much better than a oligarchy, monarchy, or a theocracy state.
[QUOTE=thisispain;24682519]the fact that socialist countries tend to lean more towards capitalism as time goes on shows you something i don't know what it is, but i'm pretty sure in today's modern world you gotta embrace capitalism else where the fuck am i supposed to buy radiohead cd's from[/QUOTE] The more you embrace capitalism, the worse things get. [editline]08:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;24682618]i don't know if it's ideal but it's much better than a oligarchy, monarchy, or a theocracy state.[/QUOTE] In a way, it's just as bad. Instead of autocracy by law, it's autocracy by money.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24682770]The more you embrace capitalism, the worse things get. [editline]08:38AM[/editline] In a way, it's just as bad. Instead of autocracy by law, it's autocracy by money.[/QUOTE] see you say that but not really
Name me one thing that improves with capitalism.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24682862]Name me one thing that improves with capitalism.[/QUOTE] radiohead cd's
I'm not sure why people are arguing that state funded education is a solely communist idea, because it's not. The British government has been directly funding education since the 19th century (as have many other governments). Also: [QUOTE] In August 1833, Parliament voted sums of money each year for the construction of schools for poor children, the first time the state had become involved with education in England and Wales, whereas the programme of universal education in Scotland began in 1561.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thisispain;24682876]radiohead cd's[/QUOTE] Radiohead isn't even that good
[QUOTE=Warhol;24682934]Radiohead isn't even that good[/QUOTE] i don't give a fuck to be serious, that's a reason why i don't consider communism a good idea in a communist society, art would be reduced to pleasantry, not property worth of status and ownership
[QUOTE=Warhol;24682862]Name me one thing that improves with capitalism.[/QUOTE] People are more willing to work or get higher education if they get more out of it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24683054]People are more willing to work or get higher education if they get more out of it.[/QUOTE] The profit motive is complete bullshit. [editline]09:38AM[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;24682983]i don't give a fuck to be serious, that's a reason why i don't consider communism a good idea in a communist society, art would be reduced to pleasantry, not property worth of status and ownership[/QUOTE] uhhhhhhhhhhhh, you think art should be a cash and renown generator then, uh, i dunno, ART? wow, you're a fucking shallow fuck aren't you? [editline]09:38AM[/editline] Milking money and fame is not art
[QUOTE=Warhol;24683097]The profit motive is complete bullshit.[/QUOTE] Face it, nomatter how equal you want to be, you can't be. Dirtier jobs pay a lot for a reason, because people don't want to do them. Nobody wants to work in a hot factory over a local store unless they get payed more in the factories. But if you get stuck working in a hot factory while your neighbor gets to do something cheap and easy like being a waiter, you're gonna be jealous of that. There would be no advantage for working in a hot factory.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24683194]Face it, nomatter how equal you want to be, you can't be. Dirtier jobs pay a lot for a reason, because people don't want to do them. Nobody wants to work in a hot factory over a local store unless they get payed more in the factories. But if you get stuck working in a hot factory while your neighbor gets to do something cheap and easy like being a waiter, you're gonna be jealous of that. There would be no advantage for working in a hot factory.[/QUOTE] lol, you think dirtier jobs get a lot of pay? what the fuck are you on?
[QUOTE=Warhol;24683233]lol, you think dirtier jobs get a lot of pay? what the fuck are you on?[/QUOTE] The factory near me pays $22/h to its low level workers. Nobody would want to do hard labor in a factory that gets over 100F daily if it didn't pay more than other jobs available to them. [editline]05:02AM[/editline] But I'm not going to argue. I know that I could come up with the best argument ever used and it still wouldn't change your views or opinions.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24682862]Name me one thing that improves with capitalism.[/QUOTE] Competition in the marketplace, which can (can being the main word here) be a benefit to consumers. I'm not sure what it's like wherever you live but the UK we've had massive price wars between the supermarkets and also broadband and phone companies in recent years.
[QUOTE=toxicpiano;24683391]Competition in the marketplace, which can (can being the main word here) be a benefit to consumers. I'm not sure what it's like wherever you live but the UK we've had massive price wars between the supermarkets and also broadband and phone companies in recent years.[/QUOTE] Almost never really happens. Monopolies do develop, and money can not be the sole deciding factor for so many things.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24683254]The factory near me pays $22/h to its low level workers. Nobody would want to do hard labor in a factory that gets over 100F daily if it didn't pay more than other jobs available to them. [editline]05:02AM[/editline] But I'm not going to argue. I know that I could come up with the best argument ever used and it still wouldn't change your views or opinions.[/QUOTE] You DO realise a massive amount of jobs are minimal wage, right? shitty jobs mind you. There is several million police officers in the country, many of whom are paid absolute shit for a job that could kill them. Want to tell me a profit motive exists there? We're also naturally not driven by a mental profit motive. [editline]10:50AM[/editline] [QUOTE=toxicpiano;24683391]Competition in the marketplace, which can (can being the main word here) be a benefit to consumers. I'm not sure what it's like wherever you live but the UK we've had massive price wars between the supermarkets and also broadband and phone companies in recent years.[/QUOTE] Competition is useless when all companies are shit at costumer service
[QUOTE=Warhol;24683642]We're also naturally not driven by a mental profit motive.[/QUOTE] Just because you aren't doesn't mean the entire human race isn't.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24682934]Radiohead isn't even that good[/QUOTE] You aren't even that good.
[QUOTE=N0 WAR;24683677]Just because you aren't doesn't mean the entire human race isn't.[/QUOTE] uh, no, not at all, the profit motive is not a human instinct. [editline]11:05AM[/editline] [QUOTE=GunsNRoses;24683686]You aren't even that good.[/QUOTE] whhhaaa, he made fun of my stupid band
[QUOTE=Warhol;24683773]uh, no, not at all, the profit motive is not a human instinct.[/QUOTE] Greed is human. The urge to get more to advance yourself above your rivals is as human as it gets. The only way you are going to change that is to make people believe that no-one is their enemy or rival which isn't really possible either.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24683906]Greed is human. The urge to get more to advance yourself above your rivals is as human as it gets. The only way you are going to change that is to make people believe that no-one is their enemy or rival which isn't really possible either.[/QUOTE] The greedy people yell the loudest. You mean to tell me every single organisation/person/programme is all motivated by greed? [editline]12:03PM[/editline] Greed is not a human instinct.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24683524]Almost never really happens. Monopolies do develop, and money can not be the sole deciding factor for so many things.[/QUOTE] Yes I understand that, I completely agree that it should not be up to the market to decide certain things, especially like public transport (not including air travel), healthcare, education etc. What I'm saying is that there are some instances where competition in the market is of genuine benefit to consumers in terms of price.
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