[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24700455]And communism forgets that humanity is naturally greedy and egoist. It'll never work.
So we're even. Neither side works perfectly on paper, and both sides work perfectly on paper.[/QUOTE]
Except humans AREN'T. What fucking part of this do you not understand?
Greed has been propped up by Capitalism and systems similar to it before.
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AGAIN, Capitalism fucking fails on paper.
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[QUOTE=RBM11;24700555]I'm not talking about right now I'm talking about in the latter half of the 20th century.[/QUOTE]
when it was socialist?
[QUOTE=Warhol;24701215]Except humans AREN'T. What fucking part of this do you not understand?
Greed has been propped up by Capitalism and systems similar to it before.
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AGAIN, Capitalism fucking fails on paper.
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Lol, humans are only greedy because of the capitalism? Man, pass that over, I want what you're smoking.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24701264]Lol, humans are only greedy because of the capitalism? Man, pass that over, I want what you're smoking.[/QUOTE]
Because our Evolution included dollars, right?
you're a fucking joke.
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The primordial soup had a few quarters in it.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24701590]Because our Evolution included dollars, right?
you're a fucking joke.
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The primordial soup had a few quarters in it.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty much natural to want to have more than other people. Even toddlers fight over who gets what toy.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24701590]Because our Evolution included dollars, right?
you're a fucking joke.
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The primordial soup had a few quarters in it.[/QUOTE]
The strongest people in an evolutionary sense would be the ones that were capable of "getting" as much stuff as possible. Greed for money may not be natural, but we've always hungered for more.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24701215]Except humans AREN'T. What fucking part of this do you not understand?
Greed has been propped up by Capitalism and systems similar to it before.
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AGAIN, Capitalism fucking fails on paper.
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when it was socialist?[/QUOTE]
Ever heard the term Celtic Tiger? You grew rapidly because of extremely low corporate taxes and government grants to large corporations like Microsoft and Dell?
[QUOTE=Warhol;24701590]Because our Evolution included dollars, right?
you're a fucking joke.
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The primordial soup had a few quarters in it.[/QUOTE]
Early humans certainly didn't go around equally distributing the food they had, now did they?
Humans are naturally greedy. It's not necessarily a bad thing either.
[QUOTE=RBM11;24701638]Ever heard the term Celtic Tiger? You grew rapidly because of extremely low corporate taxes and government grants to large corporations like Microsoft and Dell?[/QUOTE]
Except our GDP and state of the economy is absolutely horrendous.
Lot of good the Celtic Tiger did.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24701626]It's pretty much natural to want to have more than other people. Even toddlers fight over who gets what toy.[/QUOTE]
I have never seen toddlers fight over toys. children do a lot of stupid shit. I was "greedy" when I was younger because I didn't understand the effects of consumption.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;24701716]Early humans certainly didn't go around equally distributing the food they had, now did they?
Humans are naturally greedy. It's not necessarily a bad thing either.[/QUOTE]
Greed is bad, boyo
[QUOTE=Warhol;24702720]
Greed is bad, boyo[/QUOTE]
Greed is also a natural part of humanity.
Charities are fictional, tru story
[QUOTE=Warhol;24703023]Charities are fictional, tru story[/QUOTE]
Sure, people give to others. But people take for themselves. Greed is natural, you can keep acting like this for as long as you want, but you're ignoring the fact people have always, and will always [b]want for more[/b]. The very essence of greed is to want for more, people always have and will. You're denying this.
Self want is not greed
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What these guys are doing is, they're trying to demonise all of humanity in order to say "lololol CAPITALISM IS PERFECT!"
[QUOTE=Warhol;24703100]Self want is not greed
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What these guys are doing is, they're trying to demonise all of humanity in order to say "lololol CAPITALISM IS PERFECT!"[/QUOTE]
It really isn't perfect. What do you classify as greed? Many people want for themselves so much that it IS greed.
If you want more then you need and you hurt others or are willing to hurt others
Want is human emotion, yes, but to willingly hurt others for useless things like money, is not human. It's society propping up items like money and it tantalises people.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24703261]If you want more then you need and you hurt others or are willing to hurt others
Want is human emotion, yes, but to willingly hurt others for useless things like money, is not human. It's society propping up items like money and it tantalises people.[/QUOTE]
No one cares about money, actually. We just care about what that money can get us.
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Hay guyze, russia did communism wrong so it must be bad bad communism. Dat commies r bad, haet more.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24703395]No one cares about money, actually. We just care about what that money can get us.
:downs:[/QUOTE]
Most rich people don't spend or intent to spend their money. Money gets you renown.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24705442]Most rich people don't spend or intent to spend their money. Money gets you renown.[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;24701716]Early humans certainly didn't go around equally distributing the food they had, now did they?
Humans are naturally greedy. It's not necessarily a bad thing either.[/QUOTE]
Sure they did. The hunters would share any food amongst the whole tribe to ensure survival of the community.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;24707543]Sure they did. The hunters would share any food amongst the whole tribe to ensure survival of the community.[/QUOTE]
What if a someone refused to work? Would they still give him the same amount as everybody else?
Communism isn't natural. Humans just aren't meant to be treated like robots.
[QUOTE=RBM11;24695554]That's a recent development.[/QUOTE]
Since the 80's the economy was supported by the construction industry,
when that inevitably crashed we ended where we are.
It may have looked like we were doing well but we're paying for it now.
If anything free-market capitalism has gotten us into deeper shit than sticking with our socialist beginnings would have.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;24710253]What if a someone refused to work? Would they still give him the same amount as everybody else?
Communism isn't natural. Humans just aren't meant to be treated like robots.[/QUOTE]
If he was able to work and just didn't want to he wouldn't get the same amount, how is communism different?
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
If he wasn't working to his full potential as a hunter, he can't expect to recieve as much as the others.
Capitalism would be perfect if the rewards were directly related to the amount of effort and work performed, but it's currently more interested in maintaining the status quo than the good of humanity as a whole.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;24701626]It's pretty much natural to want to have more than other people. Even toddlers fight over who gets what toy.[/QUOTE]
They also shit themselves and crawl everywhere, should we do that too?
Violence is obviously natural to us, but most of us have managed to keep that instinct under control.
Humans have achieved space travel, is that bad because it's unnatural?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24707473][citation needed][/QUOTE]
this is like the fifth time you've misused that.
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You are an awful poster.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24710694]this is like the fifth time you've misused that.
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You are an awful poster.[/QUOTE]
You claimed that most rich people do not spend money. Prove it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24664955]Source: [URL]http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article22467.html[/URL]
:byodood:[/QUOTE]
Lol, no. In fact, Conservative values are: Communist - Democratic - Independent/others/centrist - Republican - Fascism. So, in reality, Democrats and/or liberals are closer to being communists than Republicans/conservatives.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;24697153]Where do I even start...[/QUOTE]
Mind you, Stalin and Mao weren't communists.
True communism has never been achieved. The only two people who've ever come close to it were Lenin and Trotsky.
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Stalin and Mao were autocratic dictators who took over communist countries. They masked themselves as communists to gain popularity, but instead implemented absolute rule.
This why many agree the Soviet Union began to decline only due to Stalin's arrival.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;24714533]Lol, no. In fact, Conservative values are: Communist - Democratic - Independent/others/centrist - Republican - Fascism. So, in reality, Democrats and/or liberals are closer to being communists than Republicans/conservatives.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Bllasae;24714533]Lol, no. In fact, Conservative values are: Communist - Democratic - Independent/others/centrist - Republican - Fascism. So, in reality, Democrats and/or liberals are closer to being communists than Republicans/conservatives.[/QUOTE]
uh not really
SOCIAL SCALE
Progressive - Social liberal - Centrist - Social conservative - Reactionary
ECONOMIC SCALE
Free market - Liberal Democrat - Collectivization
both Fascism and Communism "feature" collectivization
So wait... Rightists are far Leftists? What?
[QUOTE=Atchell;24719067]So wait... Rightists are far Leftists? What?[/QUOTE]
Apparently.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;24713220]You claimed that most rich people do not spend money. Prove it.[/QUOTE]
If Rich people spent all their money, they wouldn't be rich, now would they?
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[QUOTE=thisispain;24716727]uh not really
SOCIAL SCALE
Progressive - Social liberal - Centrist - Social conservative - Reactionary
ECONOMIC SCALE
Free market - Liberal Democrat - Collectivization
both Fascism and Communism "feature" collectivization[/QUOTE]
Communism doesn't feature collectivization.
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