[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26270804]No it's completely fine. In my culture we take our daughters and make dogs fuck them at their 10th birthday. It's a nice family tradition.
But seriously, if you are OK with killing innocents, rape, pedophilia, torture, etc etc. you have issues. It's not an opinion.[/QUOTE]
FUCK. Just shut up. Do you honestly think people are going to agree with your opinions.
If I'm a soccer mom because I'm not OK with killing innocents, rape, pedophilia, torture and so on, then so be it.
At least I'm not a psychopath.
Swastika: Okay
Nazis: Bad.
There IS a fucking difference.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26270804]No it's completely fine. In my culture we take our daughters and make dogs fuck them at their 10th birthday. It's a nice family tradition.
But seriously, if you are OK with killing innocents, rape, pedophilia, torture, etc etc. you have issues. It's not an opinion.[/QUOTE]
It is absolutely an opinion! If you were raised among these things, it would be as natural as brushing your teeth. You wouldn't even notice it.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26270860]If I'm a soccer mom because I'm not OK with killing innocents, rape, pedophilia, torture and so on, then so be it.
At least I'm not a psychopath.[/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha no, shithead.
See, let's say you lived in a society where everybody ate eachother, let's also pretend your god is a cow. For you, it'd be a normal thing, wouldn't it? Then you'd see the society who doesn't eat people, but cows instead. You'd be spooked! They eat your fucking god! Holy shit they're evil!
Yeah. It's that. But sadly, because of people like you, the world will never achieve world peace.
Were the nazis racist cunts? Yes they were. But there are many neo nazis who just live off with the idea that a single race, a single culture and a single language would make a better world. It's their ideology, let them live with it.
[QUOTE=scottsmith46;26270883]It is absolutely an opinion! If you were raised among these things, it would be as natural as brushing your teeth. You wouldn't even notice it.[/QUOTE]
[B]:foxnews:Killing innocents, rape, pedophilia, torture, and so on is natural and should not be discouraged. More at 10. And now the following: story of a 10 year old girl, who's going to be stoned to death for disobeying her father and not letting him rape her anally as a part of local tradition.:foxnews:
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See, let's say you lived in a society where everybody ate eachother, let's also pretend your god is a cow. For you, it'd be a normal thing, wouldn't it? Then you'd see the society who doesn't eat people, but cows instead. You'd be spooked! They eat your fucking god! Holy shit they're evil![/QUOTE]
So if people do bad things as a part of their tradition or ideology it means it's fine and should not be punished or discouraged.
[QUOTE=MenteR;26270946]Yeah. It's that. But sadly, because of people like you, the world will never achieve world peace.[/QUOTE]
Haha, we will never achieve world peace because of people who discourage propagating hatred and racism? That's a nice logic right there.
[QUOTE=MenteR;26270946]Were the nazis racist cunts? Yes they were. But there are many neo nazis who just live off with the idea that a single race, a single culture and a single language would make a better world. It's their ideology, let them live with it.[/QUOTE]
So, because there are few pussy neo nazis who wouldn't actually kill people, it means their ideology of getting rid of everyone except the proud aryan race is acceptable.
There will never be world peace so long as there are two human beings on this planet, I mean, look at yourselves, you're arguing about the most fuckin' trivial shit ever. Sure, a single race would be ideal, but we can't have that, since we are inequal, therefore the Nazi's were wrong, their symbol is okay, though, who give's a fuck? It's recognition of a historical period.
And yes, growing up in a society where asking a girl out would be the equivalent of pooping on her and popping her hymn with a doorknob, that would be normal to you, wouldn't it? But the moment you see someone differing, then you'd be freaked out because you weren't the same, which would warrant inequality, which would warrant hate, which would warrant fighting.
Oh yeah, I just read your post again. I'm totally against propagating hatred. I'm totally against mormons showing up on funerals with hatred banners.
But there's a HUGE difference between beating jews up and simply wearing a swastika as an emblem. One of them is propagating hatred, the other one is propagating your ideology. You're not directly attacking anyone.
While I agree that this is an offensive symbol, I still think Stephen Toulouse is a douche. "Seriously dude I'm the guy with the banhammer I do what I decide to don't fuck with me", that is what I get from his quote.
The swastika is not an offensive symbol. The Nazi's make it look offensive, so everyone gets pissy when people draw/wear/look at one.
What, it's just some colors, big deal. What if SS stands for something else. That is just unnecessary. Really. Whoever is offended by such symbols is just an over-reacting prick who probably doesn't even KNOW anything about the world war.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26271030]*retarded words from a kid who didn't learn basic philosophy*[/QUOTE]
Listen. I'll try to explain it once again.
It's not BAD. If indians sacrifice people, it's NOT FUCKING BAD. It's part of their tradition. Indians, most specially, AGREE to be sacrificed to their gods.
You mentioned people getting stoned to death. That is wrong, because one should not be killed just because they disagree with an ideology. Sadly, it happens.
About the third part of your post, yes. Imagine a world where everybody lived with their own ideologies and own tribes and didn't try to attack eachother because they were okay with what they had? A tribe of black people, a tribe of jews, a tribe of aryans, a tribe of people who didn't care for race, bla bla bla. It's an utopy, and your small brain can't imagine it, but I'm trying to explain it to you.
Nazism implies that one race, one language and one culture would make the world better, and make people think as one. This leads to exterminating other races only because Hitler:
1. Wasn't happy with the land portion he had.
2. Had to promise the people of the country revenge on who destroyed them back in WW1.
And no, it's not GETTING RID of everyone. I bet if Hitler had his chance to get his own planet where there were only aryan people, he would have.
The holocaust happened because of the first reason. If Hitler was happy with his aryan people living in their own dreamland, he wouldn't have invaded Poland, or Czechoslovakia. Or any other countries he actually invaded.
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Would you like to be served again?
I don't see a difference between holding a sign "kill all niggers and hebes" and holding a nazi flag.
Nazism is an ideology of racism and extreme nationalism. If you hold up their flag it means you believe and are behind what they say.
You all take it as a joke, "who cares". If you'd realize, really realize who's colors you're wearing you wouldn't be joking about it.
[QUOTE=MenteR;26271314]Listen. I'll try to explain it once again.
It's not BAD. If indians sacrifice people, it's NOT FUCKING BAD. It's part of their tradition. Indians, most specially, AGREE to be sacrificed to their gods.[/QUOTE]
IF they are old enough to understand what they are doing and agree to die for their beliefs, well, it's their choice.
[QUOTE=MenteR;26271314]
About the third part of your post, yes. Imagine a world where everybody lived with their own ideologies and own tribes and didn't try to attack eachother because they were okay with what they had? A tribe of black people, a tribe of jews, a tribe of aryans, a tribe of people who didn't care for race, bla bla bla. It's an utopy, and your small brain can't imagine it, but I'm trying to explain it to you.[/QUOTE]
And what if one of these ideologies would be like "lets kill everyone except us"? Still an utopy? I guess my small brain can't grasp the concept.
[QUOTE=MenteR;26271314]Nazism implies that one race, one language and one culture would make the world better, and make people think as one. This leads to exterminating other races only because Hitler:
1. Wasn't happy with the land portion he had.
2. Had to promise the people of the country revenge on who destroyed them back in WW1
And no, it's not GETTING RID of everyone. I bet if Hitler had his chance to get his own planet where there were only aryan people, he would have.
The holocaust happened because of the first reason. If Hitler was happy with his aryan people living in their own dreamland, he wouldn't have invaded Poland, or Czechoslovakia. Or any other countries he actually invaded.
[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter what it originally stood for. What it stands for now is important.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26271442]I don't see a difference between holding a sign "kill all niggers and hebes" and holding a nazi flag.
Nazism is an ideology of racism and extreme nationalism. If you hold up their flag it means you believe and are behind what they say.
You all take it as a joke, "who cares". If you'd realize, really realize who's colors you're wearing you wouldn't be joking about it.[/QUOTE]
It's different.
Again, nazism does not directly imply to exterminate all races. A sign which explicitly says "kill niggers and hebes" does.
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And what if one of these ideologies would be like "lets kill everyone except us"? Still an utopy? I guess my small brain can't grasp the concept.
[/quote]Again, nazism does not directly imply to exterminate all races.
[quote]
Doesn't matter what it originally stood for. What it stands for now is important.[/quote]
You're unquestionably wrong. It was [b]never[/b] about killing other races.
[quote]Everything Silly Sil has said[/quote]
It's a geometric pattern,
Grow some balls.
Got rid of my swastika, don't want to get banned.
Just need two more layers to finish my eagle with SS instead of swastika.
Oh and for you PC lot, or xbox if you want to risk it, don't use rectangles for swastika. Make a black square, turn it on it's side and put white rectangles to cut out the shape. Makes it look neater and easier to get it straight
So what's nazism about? I'm lost here.
So a symbol for the far left of the political spectrum is allowed, but not the far right?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26269842]Ancient as in 60 years ago? Maybe if you're 5. And nazis are still there. Still spreading and living the hate. Still carrying this symbol. I don't get why kids these days think it's cool to wear a sign propagating nazism. Why not call yourself "kill all niggers and hebes" in game + the nazi emblem? Pretty much the same to people who actually know what the swastika stands for and what people who carried it did.
Because, you little mongrel, you don't play as an SS officer and the gameplay doesn't include supervising killing millions of innocent people while sipping tea.
Simply put, these symbols aren't meant to propagate what they stand for. But since you haven't understood it yet there is no point explaining.[/QUOTE]
You don't play as an SS officer in Black Ops either... I should also add that I'm Jewish, so I think I understand why it might be offensive to some, but that doesn't make it right to make a big deal out of nothing. These people are trolls. And you're giving them the exact reaction they want. If they can't use the swastika, they'll simply switch to something else.
[QUOTE=Dmarine;26275275]You don't play as an SS officer in Black Ops either... I should also add that I'm Jewish, so I think I understand why it might be offensive to some, but that doesn't make it right to make a big deal out of nothing. These people are trolls. And you're giving them the exact reaction they want. If they can't use the swastika, they'll simply switch to something else.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26275021]So what's nazism about? I'm lost here.[/QUOTE]
Pick fascism and add excluding other races from the society to it. That's pretty much nazism in a nutshell.
This racial exclusion leads to racism but again, nazism does not directly imply to exterminate all races.
[QUOTE=MenteR;26275503]Pick fascism and add excluding other races from the society to it. That's pretty much nazism in a nutshell.
This racial exclusion leads to racism but again, nazism does not directly imply to exterminate all races.[/QUOTE]
How's excluding other races from society not racism :v:
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26275630]How's excluding other races from society not racism :v:[/QUOTE]
Because they had something they called "racial hygiene", which was used way before nazism, to have a society with a single culture, race and language. That isn't racism at all, it's just the way they prefered the society.
It started being racism when Germany started killing jews and sending their families to the death camps, instead of simply having them off the country peacefully.
[editline]24th November 2010[/editline]
Now instead of driving off the original topic, I'm taking it you still disagree that is wrong for people to have swastikas as their emblems?
racism: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
Wanting no blacks implies that you are superior, otherwise you wouldn't want them gone
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;26275852]racism: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
Wanting no blacks implies that you are superior, otherwise you wouldn't want them gone[/QUOTE]
Yes. What I'm saying, however, is how nazism does not directly imply to exterminate all races as Silly Sil states it.
[editline]24th November 2010[/editline]
The term "racial hygiene" was used, back then, as an indication of racial pride. Indians used that (there are many types of "red" people) for example.
Whats next?
Stick figures banned because they look racist?
[QUOTE=Micr0;26275085]So a symbol for the far left of the political spectrum is allowed, but not the far right?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this, communist parties = oh thats fine. Far right parties... HOLY SHIT NAZIS THEY HATE IMMIGRANTS!
First of all I used a sign with "kill all niggers and hebes" as an example of hate speech, not the main goal. (Just like you've said it might have meant that in nazi Germany but now it's just racial hatred, not "lets do holocaust again")
Second, we have established that nazism promotes racism. Which is wrong by the way (?).
Third, wearing colors or a signs of a party means that you support them and promote them. And due to that, I still think putting the nazi flag in your emblem or on your T-shirt is wrong and should be discouraged, not advocated.
Again, a nazi, a soviet or an american emblem are all about the ideologies you like. Please re-read my posts on the last page. I'm repeating myself just because you can't understand what I've been saying all these posts.
You think that everything but your culture and what YOU think is right, is right. And even with strong arguments, you still don't make up your mind that showing what you like in public is right.
I give up. But don't you give up, read up about ideologies.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;26276386]First of all I used a sign with "kill all niggers and hebes" as an example of hate speech, not the main goal. (Just like you've said it might have meant that in nazi Germany but now it's just racial hatred, not "lets do holocaust again")
Second, we have established that nazism promotes racism. Which is wrong by the way (?).
Third, wearing colors or a signs of a party means that you support them and promote them. And due to that, I still think putting the nazi flag in your emblem or on your T-shirt is wrong and should be discouraged, not advocated.[/QUOTE]
Thor's symbol isn't directly translated as "Kill all the jews"
There is a difference between a sign which says "Kill all the jews" and a Swastika.
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