• Louisiana lawmakers propose prayer to stop oil disaster
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[QUOTE=Falineir;22800697]God wanted us to love him DESPITE that stuff happening. Yeah, okay. Both have parts that are half-true. God saw the rise of evil, knew he could stop it, but didn't. But not for the reasons you seem to think. You see, God wanted us to love him through free choice, free will. Tell me, is it really a free choice when the question is leading and there really aren't many or any other options. That's not free will, that's the equivilient to there being a one-party system. Choice A, or.... Choice A! Big choice, huh. You see, we are 100% capable of ending this oil spill within the next week. Why? We have the technology and resources to build what we need to do it. What's the problem, then? We're constrained by something that is 100% scientifically proven to be a complete fabrication of the human mind... Money. God doesn't give two shits about money. Money is the only thing keeping those rape victims from carrying around MP5's. Money is the only thing keeping anybody from developing an impregnable ICBM shield then distributing it all over the world, ending the threat of Nuclear war, then building perfect fusion plants, ending world energy, hunger and hostility crises. Yes, it is money's fault all these things are happening. Did God forsee the invention of money? Yes, and he facepalmed, grumbling "It's their choice..." As money began so did 'unsolvable problems'. How long does it take for humanity to build a starship with enough firepower or otherwise to take out an earth-killer asteroid without the constraints of money? Not very long. Not as long as it would with people saying "I'm not getting paid as much so I'm not really motivated." In turn, this is the same problem facing the oil spill effort. An atheist problem is preventing an atheist solution. No. Already countered all that.[/QUOTE] So god is basically the uncle that rapes you every day, but expects you to be loyal and worship the ground he walks on..? Yeah.. That's not cool in my book.
[QUOTE=Miskav;22800788]So god is basically the uncle that rapes you every day, but expects you to be loyal and worship the ground he walks on..? Yeah.. That's not cool in my book.[/QUOTE] That isn't even good as a trolling attempt.
[QUOTE=Falineir;22800895]That isn't even good as a trolling attempt.[/QUOTE] Explain the difference
[QUOTE=Miskav;22800679]That'd be nice to believe if you didn't encounter these nuts on a regular basis.[/QUOTE] You don't, it's just that normal people acting normally don't make the news.
[QUOTE=Falineir;22800697]God wanted us to love him DESPITE that stuff happening. [/quote] Why? Doing that makes him a sick bastard in my book, unworthy of my love or anyone elses. [quote] Both have parts that are half-true. God saw the rise of evil, knew he could stop it, but didn't. But not for the reasons you seem to think. You see, God wanted us to love him through free choice, free will. Tell me, is it really a free choice when the question is leading and there really aren't many or any other options. That's not free will, that's the equivilient to there being a one-party system. [/quote] You're forgetting about the rules he has arbitrarily imposed upon humanity. "Being gay is wrong". The justification? "I say so." Clearly if such a being were to exist, he would be incredibly pretty. Not only that, but he would be downright evil. Supposing someone murders a baby. He's murdered the baby, and it's terrible and everything but that baby's gone to Heaven now. That baby's parents will eventually meet up with that baby once they die provided God judges them deserving. The baby is saved from any danger of sinning and going to Hell. So the baby murderer would be this logic be guilty of at most separating two pious Christians from their child for a good fifty years or something, after which they have an entire eternity to make up for it. The murderer, however, is now destined for an eternity of pain and suffering. This man, who has sent a little baby up into Heaven, is being punished. Why? He's done the baby a great favour, killing them while they were still innocent. Letting the baby live and risk having it face an eternity of suffering after a sinful life is a worse option than sending it up to Heaven. If I had to choose between getting killed early to live in an eternal paradise or continuing to live on a planet filled with suffering and risk being damned to Hell for all eternity, I know which one I'd pick.
It's the South, which is a heavily religious area. It's not like the lawmakers are all going to walk out of their offices and personally solve the crisis by hauling the oil from the sea, handful by handful. [editline]12:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Splurgy;22803063]Why?[/QUOTE] Shits and giggles.
[QUOTE=Falineir;22800697] Already countered all that.[/QUOTE] You countered Epicurus?! You can't counter the word of Epicurus! That's a sin! You're going to hell! Epicurus is all knowing and cannot be questioned! (Replace "Epicurus" with "God" and you have the generic religious argument.)
[QUOTE=rosar0980;22774078]@GunFox Screw you. Prove there's no God. Prove there's no logic in our beliefs. It has been proven by many scientists that the univers couldn't have been created without some form of intervention of some kind. Hence, a god exists. --Sorry, derailed-- Back to topic. I like the idea. We have taken separation of church and state and bastardised it to where we are nearly killing religion off all together. Praying got the constitution written in 13 weeks when they couldn't get a single word down for months. Prayer helped this country be created. Praying may just give these men, and maybe others, the wisdom and insight to fix this damned oil spill. I say they should go for it. --Dearil again-- And, @nullsquared, where do you get off bashing Christians? We acutally get things done. You damned Bhuddists, Muslims, Atheists, and wtfever else have ddone nothing to fix this. Go ask Allah or Bhuddah or Science to give you the intelligence and resources to clean this up and then we will talk. Christianity has done more than just wate time. Like I said to GunFox, we Christians created a country, wrote a governmental system in 13 weeks, and our prayer saved many men from being killed because God left a fog sitting to let George Washington and his men escape. How can anyone explain that? God's miracles are inexplicable. Another @GunFox God gave the Earth to man and Satan. He does NOT.....I don't know how to put it into words. I gues we have free will, and the Earth is man's. God will give people the wisdom, and help his children (yes you too) but not the planet becuase it is Satan's influence not his. He gives us the intelligence and ability to fix things and help others. The holocaust was satan's doing, noy God. God did not allow it to happen. He did, however, allow Hitler, the Nazi, and their supporters have their free will. CItations God Exitsts: [url]http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html[/url] [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6688917/[/url] The Revolutionary War. Examine the events, and explain thos with science.[/QUOTE] You are not helping Christianities image. You are uneducated and illogical and irrational. Your belief is based purely on faith, do not insist it is fact. God is made up. [B]MADE THE FUCK UP[/B]
[QUOTE=nullsquared;22804114]You countered Epicurus?! You can't counter the word of Epicurus! That's a sin! You're going to hell! Epicurus is all knowing and cannot be questioned! (Replace "Epicurus" with "God" and you have the generic religious argument.)[/QUOTE] Well I'm pretty sure Epicurus was a human.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;22804243]Well I'm pretty sure Epicurus was a human.[/QUOTE] Yet a human is a much better entity to place your faith and beliefs in.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;22804243]Well I'm pretty sure Epicurus was a human.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and? At least I'd be putting my faith in someone tangible :downs:
facepunch is full of 1st year philosophy students, apparently.
[QUOTE=Fkpuz Version 1;22805079]facepunch is full of 1st year philosophy students, apparently.[/QUOTE] You flatter us too much We're secondary school at best
They must be Christians. Throw them to the lions!
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;22804243]Well I'm pretty sure Epicurus was a human.[/QUOTE] No he wasn't. The stories just depict him as human. He is really an immortal being.
[QUOTE=Splurgy;22803063]Why? Doing that makes him a sick bastard in my book, unworthy of my love or anyone elses. You're forgetting about the rules he has arbitrarily imposed upon humanity. "Being gay is wrong". The justification? "I say so." Clearly if such a being were to exist, he would be incredibly pretty. Not only that, but he would be downright evil. Supposing someone murders a baby. He's murdered the baby, and it's terrible and everything but that baby's gone to Heaven now. That baby's parents will eventually meet up with that baby once they die provided God judges them deserving. The baby is saved from any danger of sinning and going to Hell. So the baby murderer would be this logic be guilty of at most separating two pious Christians from their child for a good fifty years or something, after which they have an entire eternity to make up for it. The murderer, however, is now destined for an eternity of pain and suffering. This man, who has sent a little baby up into Heaven, is being punished. Why? He's done the baby a great favour, killing them while they were still innocent. Letting the baby live and risk having it face an eternity of suffering after a sinful life is a worse option than sending it up to Heaven. If I had to choose between getting killed early to live in an eternal paradise or continuing to live on a planet filled with suffering and risk being damned to Hell for all eternity, I know which one I'd pick.[/QUOTE] I like it how people concider Catholicism to be the umbrella for Christianity... Because its not, and a majority of the things they do are flat out wrong.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22773382]If another rig exploded, my god, I would be in tears.[/QUOTE] Well, lightning did hit that pumping platform... It could just as well hit the tanker.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22794408]When people board a plane, take it over with box cutters, and then slam it into the side of a building, killing THOUSANDS because they believe they will be forever rewarded and martyrs, I HAVE A FUCKING PROBLEM.[/QUOTE] 9/11 really didn't have anything to do with religion it was retaliation for all the shit the US and Israel did
[QUOTE=rosar0980;22774078]@GunFox Screw you. Prove there's no God. Prove there's no logic in our beliefs. It has been proven by many scientists that the univers couldn't have been created without some form of intervention of some kind. Hence, a god exists. --Sorry, derailed-- Back to topic. I like the idea. We have taken separation of church and state and bastardised it to where we are nearly killing religion off all together. Praying got the constitution written in 13 weeks when they couldn't get a single word down for months. Prayer helped this country be created. Praying may just give these men, and maybe others, the wisdom and insight to fix this damned oil spill. I say they should go for it. --Dearil again-- And, @nullsquared, where do you get off bashing Christians? We acutally get things done. You damned Bhuddists, Muslims, Atheists, and wtfever else have ddone nothing to fix this. Go ask Allah or Bhuddah or Science to give you the intelligence and resources to clean this up and then we will talk. Christianity has done more than just wate time. Like I said to GunFox, we Christians created a country, wrote a governmental system in 13 weeks, and our prayer saved many men from being killed because God left a fog sitting to let George Washington and his men escape. How can anyone explain that? God's miracles are inexplicable. Another @GunFox God gave the Earth to man and Satan. He does NOT.....I don't know how to put it into words. I gues we have free will, and the Earth is man's. God will give people the wisdom, and help his children (yes you too) but not the planet becuase it is Satan's influence not his. He gives us the intelligence and ability to fix things and help others. The holocaust was satan's doing, noy God. God did not allow it to happen. He did, however, allow Hitler, the Nazi, and their supporters have their free will. CItations God Exitsts: [URL]http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6688917/[/URL] The Revolutionary War. Examine the events, and explain thos with science.[/QUOTE] I just pissed myself from laughing so hard. [editline]01:40AM[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;22794408] When people board a plane, take it over with box cutters, and then slam it into the side of a building, killing THOUSANDS because they believe they will be forever rewarded and martyrs, I HAVE A FUCKING PROBLEM.[/QUOTE] I generally agree with everything you say other than this sentence. It wasn't just about killing Christians. The point of the 9/11 attack was to attack Western civilization because these people (Al Qaeda) are extremely upset with the westernization of the middle east and Israel with their shit. However; the whole religion thing did play a part in this too, but wasn't the major factor because they wouldn't attack something like the world trade center if that were the case. The WTC had people from all over the world of multiple religious affiliations/backgrounds. It was attacked simply because it was the symbol of western trade. I'm just surprised that they didn't target Wall Street.
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