• More Stupid from Stupidland: Ex-sheriff calls for uprising because allowing gay marriage in Utah is
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[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;43437809]It's more the fact that the whole hating gays is literally steming mainly from old Religion, and being taught that suddenly being gay makes you less of a person than yourself. So yes, it may seem a tad personal. But so is hating on gay people because of their sexuality.[/QUOTE] I just don't think that personally attacking somebody because they are ignorant or old-fashioned is a good way to get them to agree with you. It might make you feel better, but its not really making the world a better place.
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] Bad sides? Like what exactly?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43437895]I just don't think that personally attacking somebody because they are ignorant or old-fashioned is a good way to get them to agree with you. It might make you feel better, but its not really making the world a better place.[/QUOTE] I saw people calling him ignorant and old-fashioned but I didn't see any personal attacks beyond that [editline]6th January 2014[/editline] plus you yourself just called him ignorant and old-fashioned
[QUOTE=TestECull;43436185]But they did. Their decision doesn't agree with your backwards views, but they did their job. They did what the taxpayers wanted them to do, and that was legalize same sex marriage.[/QUOTE] Most people here only agree with that concept when it's on a topic they agree with, not in principle. There was a story a while back about a sheriff who said he wasn't going to enforce gun control, and it got showered in winners because he was taking matters into his own hands rather than do what the taxpayers wanted.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43437895]I just don't think that personally attacking somebody because they are ignorant or old-fashioned is a good way to get them to agree with you. It might make you feel better, but its not really making the world a better place.[/QUOTE] I'm not really Attacking him, it's more of an observation. Besides, I don't want him to agree, just voicing my piece to his mentality. The world won't be a better place until people change, and as an example, stop thinking like he does. If you think me calling someone old fashioned is the problem with those posts, then you prove me right.
[QUOTE=Bentham;43437998]I saw people calling him ignorant and old-fashioned but I didn't see any personal attacks beyond that [editline]6th January 2014[/editline] plus you yourself just called him ignorant and old-fashioned[/QUOTE] Generally the way these threads go is straight down to the bottom whenever somebody voices an opposing opinion, the "ignorant" and "old-fashioned" thing is just the beginning.
[QUOTE=catbarf;43438006]Most people here only agree with that concept when it's on a topic they agree with, not in principle. There was a story a while back about a sheriff who said he wasn't going to enforce gun control, and it got showered in winners because he was taking matters into his own hands rather than do what the taxpayers wanted.[/QUOTE] That is because defending someones right to own a gun is not the same as defending someones right to be a bigot who denys the rights of others.
Less freedom = more freedom Religious nutter fanatics never cease to amaze me.
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] I can't imagine anything bad about letting homosexuals marry.
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] Um, no I can't, because they don't exist. Get your head out of your ass.
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] I can't imagine any. Please list the downsides [B]you[/B] see.
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] Actually, I can't but feel free to elaborate. Coherent and sensible arguments please.
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] Yeah man, I agree. Downsides like and .
It's like my father's comment in Broken's city movie about one character: How can he be good? He is gay. I do not know how to get reason working into people heads like that. How does a human mind reaches irrationality so bad? Can someone explain that to me, from pyschology view point?
[QUOTE=ac/14;43438440]That is because defending someones right to own a gun is not the same as defending someones right to be a bigot who denys the rights of others.[/QUOTE] No kidding, it's different issues. But if you're going to say that law enforcement should ignore the law and go with their personal beliefs on one issue, then you're really in no position to cry foul when they do the same thing on a different issue. If you cheer on law enforcement clinging to conservative ideals over the law in one instance you can't be surprised when law enforcement clings to conservative ideals over the law in another instance.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43438231]Generally the way these threads go is straight down to the bottom whenever somebody voices an opposing opinion, the "ignorant" and "old-fashioned" thing is just the beginning.[/QUOTE] The problem is in any other thread someone with an opposing view would have to put up a defence and some sort of logical debate would ensue. That's hard to do when the only defense is ignorance. I don't see the person refuting any of the points made. Just because he has a different opinion doesn't mean his opinion is not open to debate. And on the subject of personal attacks, if things got out of hand I'm sure the moderators would deal with it but I didn't see anything that would qualify as personal attacks. Calling someone ignorant isn't a personal attack, calling someone ignorant because they were born in the south or have a low IQ or something is a personal attack.
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] [B]Bio[/B]logically, man + woman is the way to go. But just plain [B]logically[/B], there is absolutely no reason to not allow gay couples to wed.
[QUOTE=slayer64;43441304][B]Bio[/B]logically, man + woman is the way to go. But just plain [B]logically[/B], there is absolutely no reason to not allow gay couples to wed.[/QUOTE]You're wrong on the biological front as well given how we regularly observe homosexuality in nature.
Holy shit why can't people get their heads out of their asses over gay marriage. There is literally [B]NO[/B] reason to not let gays marry. None at all. They are fucking people like everyone else. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43443104]You're wrong on the biological front as well given how we regularly observe homosexuality in nature.[/QUOTE] I think he means that biologically, we are designed to be straight to reproduce.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43443381]Holy shit why can't people get their heads out of their asses over gay marriage. There is literally [B]NO[/B] reason to not let gays marry. None at all. [B]They are fucking people like everyone else.[/B][/QUOTE] This is correct in more than one way. :v:
I don't see how anyone can defend the county clerks in this situation. This would be like hiring a police officer that doesn't want to enforce the law.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43443104]You're wrong on the biological front as well given how we regularly observe homosexuality in nature.[/QUOTE] I think by biologically he was referring to that fact that you need a male and a female human to reproduce, so thus gay couples are not capable of that without outside assistance. And that is somewhat relevant since marriage was/is sort of the human equivalent to breeding pairs.
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] So what, does a gay guy with a battering ram come to your house every Tuesday night or something just to break your door down for the sake of it?
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;43444082]I think by biologically he was referring to that fact that you need a male and a female human to reproduce, so thus gay couples are not capable of that without outside assistance. And that is somewhat relevant since marriage was/is sort of the human equivalent to breeding pairs.[/QUOTE] marriage is an exchange of status and capital, nothing more. the other meanings are culturally tacked on to marriage. marriage would not exist without a state.
I'll shove MY gay agenda down HIS throat in a minute if you know what I'm saying
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;43444082]I think by biologically he was referring to that fact that you need a male and a female human to reproduce, so thus gay couples are not capable of that without outside assistance. And that is somewhat relevant since marriage was/is sort of the human equivalent to breeding pairs.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what I meant. Perhaps I worded it poorly.
I love how shit like this gives a bad connotation to the word "agenda". Almost like they believe the word "agenda" is a definition for world domination.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43437697]Oh man, personal attacks on somebody with a differing opinion and who was properly raised differently than yourself.[/QUOTE] you don't get to hide behind 'differing opinion' when 1. you're trying to legislate that opinion 2. that opinion is oppressive and 3. you have no literally no logical reasoning behind that opinion [editline]7th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=slayer64;43441304][B]Bio[/B]logically, man + woman is the way to go. But just plain [B]logically[/B], there is absolutely no reason to not allow gay couples to wed.[/QUOTE] if anything BIOlogically marriage doesn't make sense at all, tying 1 female to 1 male would result in less childbirth wouldn't it?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43444693]you don't get to hide behind 'differing opinion' when 1. you're trying to legislate that opinion 2. that opinion is oppressive and 3. you have no literally no logical reasoning behind that opinion[/QUOTE] #1 applies to nearly everything people hold opinions over, #2 applies to anything involving banning or restrictions, #3 isn't even an argument because believe it or not but people have reasons for why they believe what they do. None of this is unique to gay marriage, I could say all three of those apply to gun control, drug legalization, or abortion, and it wouldn't justify me being an ass to people who disagree just because I am so utterly convinced that I am right. Overwhelming self-righteousness does not excuse being an asshole for no reason to people who peacefully and politefully disagree. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43444693]if anything BIOlogically marriage doesn't make sense at all, tying 1 female to 1 male would result in less childbirth wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] Pair bonding is an evolutionary strategy that maximizes the likelihood of offspring surviving to reach maturity in a species with a long maturation time.
pair bonding's relevance with marriage is practically zero. youll find the concept of monogamy being a part of marriage is quite a new idea.
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