• More Stupid from Stupidland: Ex-sheriff calls for uprising because allowing gay marriage in Utah is
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[quote]“The way you take back freedom in America is one county at a time.[/quote] It's like "freedom" these days is just a buzzword used to get people on your side. How can you seriously say you're "tak[ing] back freedom" by removing the freedoms of someone else?
[QUOTE=catbarf;43444806]#1 applies to nearly everything people hold opinions over, #2 applies to anything involving banning or restrictions, #3 isn't even an argument because believe it or not but people have reasons for why they believe what they do. None of this is unique to gay marriage, I could say all three of those apply to gun control, drug legalization, or abortion, and it wouldn't justify me being an ass to people who disagree just because I am so utterly convinced that I am right. Overwhelming self-righteousness does not excuse being an asshole for no reason to people who peacefully and politefully disagree. Pair bonding is an evolutionary strategy that maximizes the likelihood of offspring surviving to reach maturity in a species with a long maturation time.[/QUOTE] yes so you don't get to hide behind 'WELL IT'S JUST MY OPINION GOSH' regardless of your opinion. although i think people should be polite and nice to others i don't really give a shit about being polite to ignorant morons who want to fuck people over based on their sexuality. in this day & age unless you're born in a 3rd world country or something you don't really have a huge excuse to believe that kinda shit. and how is someone calling for an uprising peacefully and politefully disagreeing? and yeah that was actually one thing i was thinking, that yeah the family unit could guarantee safety of the offspring, but even then, we don't legislate based on that kinda crap or it would be illegal for unemployed people or physically weak people or mentally impaired people to marry.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43444884]yes so you don't get to hide behind 'WELL IT'S JUST MY OPINION GOSH' regardless of your opinion. although i think people should be polite and nice to others i don't really give a shit about being polite to ignorant morons who want to fuck people over based on their sexuality. in this day & age unless you're born in a 3rd world country or something you don't really have a huge excuse to believe that kinda shit. and [B]how is someone calling for an uprising[/B] peacefully and politefully disagreeing?[/QUOTE] Did [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1344007&p=43437410&viewfull=1#post43437410"]this dude[/URL] call for an uprising and I missed it, or did you not actually read what sloppy_joe was referring to before zeroing in on his post? 'I can be an asshole because I really don't like their opinion' is the worst logic, doubly so if you actually expect other people to change their beliefs when you insult them.
[QUOTE=catbarf;43444999]Did [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1344007&p=43437410&viewfull=1#post43437410"]this dude[/URL] call for an uprising and I missed it, or did you not actually read what sloppy_joe was referring to before zeroing in on his post? 'I can be an asshole because I really don't like their opinion' is the worst logic, doubly so if you actually expect other people to change their beliefs when you insult them.[/QUOTE] well, since noone personally attacked that dude from what i saw i assumed he was referring to the dude in the article. and sure maybe it's not the best logic but i'm not a vulcan or anything am i? also i don't really think it's so black and white like that, it really depends on the opinion. [editline]7th January 2014[/editline] like i don't think you can look at 'i think gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because' as a reasonable or informed or intelligent opinion that should be respected
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;43444842]It's like "freedom" these days is just a buzzword used to get people on your side. How can you seriously say you're "tak[ing] back freedom" by removing the freedoms of someone else?[/QUOTE] That's because there's two meanings of freedom, both of which are totally different from each other; There's freedom to, and freedom from.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43437697]Oh man, personal attacks on somebody with a differing opinion and who was properly raised differently than yourself.[/QUOTE] His opinion is bad and he should feel bad for having it
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;43444614]I love how shit like this gives a bad connotation to the word "agenda". Almost like they believe the word "agenda" is a definition for world domination.[/QUOTE] When I was in Elementary School, an Agenda was those book things the schools gave you to write your homework down in. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43444693]if anything BIOlogically marriage doesn't make sense at all, tying 1 female to 1 male would result in less childbirth wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] You should ask that to all those other animal species who mate for life. It ain't just humans that do it. We just make a bigger deal out of it (unless you count the mating dances some of them do as an equivalent to a marriage ceremony).
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;43445219]When I was in Elementary School, an Agenda was those book things the schools gave you to write your homework down in. You should ask that to all those other animal species who mate for life. It ain't just humans that do it. We just make a bigger deal out of it (unless you count the mating dances some of them do as an equivalent to a marriage ceremony).[/QUOTE] which animals are those??? not gonna actually ask them i'm just curious
[QUOTE=Ownederd;43444167]So what, does a gay guy with a battering ram come to your house every Tuesday night or something just to break your door down for the sake of it?[/QUOTE] That happens to me a lot.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43445234]which animals are those??? not gonna actually ask them i'm just curious[/QUOTE] Gibbons, Swans, Black Vultures, French Anglefish, Albatrosses, Voles, Turtle Doves, Bald Eagles, Wolves (this one surprised me, too), Cranes, some others. Apparently it's rare but monogamy does exist outside the human race, just like homosexuality.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;43445308]Gibbons, Swans, Black Vultures, French Anglefish, Albatrosses, Voles, Turtle Doves, Bald Eagles, Wolves (this one surprised me, too), Cranes, some others. Apparently it's rare but monogamy does exist outside the human race, just like homosexuality.[/QUOTE] yeah i figured most would be birds. that wolves & voles is pretty out of it
[QUOTE]“The people of Utah have rights, too, not just the homosexuals. The homosexuals are shoving their agenda down our throats,” Mack said.[/QUOTE] I don't understand this whole 'agenda' thing; it's like gay people are trying to make the whole world homosexual. How do you make someone homosexual? You offer them the chance to participate in homosexual activities and see if they like it?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43436119]Actually, what he is doing is massively different. He's actually trying to force his ideals on to people and control the action of others. Gay couples just want the same rights afforded to straight couples and aren't seeking to force anything on to anyone.[/QUOTE] m-m-muh morals.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;43445308]Gibbons, Swans, Black Vultures, French Anglefish, Albatrosses, Voles, Turtle Doves, Bald Eagles, Wolves (this one surprised me, too), Cranes, some others. Apparently it's rare but monogamy does exist outside the human race, just like homosexuality.[/QUOTE] Don't dolphins also display homosexuality?
reinterpreting random animal behavior and applying to humans is a fairly strange and nonsense thing to do. surely looking at bonobo's and chimpanzees makes more sense than looking at anglefish and turtle doves
If there was a creature to look at for that argument, wouldn't it be dolphins? Intelligent mammals with a form of communication? I don't think the argument holds a lot of weight as nothing really holds any weight against homosexuality.
Well, I was talking about monogamy, not homosexuality, when I listed those animals, and those were the only specific examples I could find doing a basic google search, because Wikipedia didn't have any "list of animal species that display monogamy" articles (I think they do have a list of animals that display homosexuality, though).
i was just interested in which other animals do that kinda stuff. i think arguments about naturalness and what animals do etc stopped being relevant when we started wearing clothes and using tools
id really prefer hominidae when making brash and completely unsupported guesses at evolutionary psychology
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43445862]i was just interested in which other animals do that kinda stuff. i think arguments about naturalness and what animals do etc stopped being relevant when we started wearing clothes and using tools[/QUOTE] That is true.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43445862]i was just interested in which other animals do that kinda stuff. i think arguments about naturalness and what animals do etc stopped being relevant when we started wearing clothes and using tools[/QUOTE]It is still a valid argument though when people try to make an argument to nature. "Well homosexuality is unnatural so we shouldn't do it!" "Well, no, homosexuality IS natural. It occurs all the time in nature."
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43446144]It is still a valid argument though when people try to make an argument to nature. "Well homosexuality is unnatural so we shouldn't do it!" "Well, no, homosexuality IS natural. It occurs all the time in nature."[/QUOTE] killing someones offspring so you can mate with them occurs all the time in nature too. all nature arguments are stupid as hell i reckon
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43445833]If there was a creature to look at for that argument, wouldn't it be dolphins? Intelligent mammals with a form of communication? I don't think the argument holds a lot of weight as nothing really holds any weight against homosexuality.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=kiloy;43445774]Don't dolphins also display homosexuality?[/QUOTE] Dolphins have prehensile penises that they can use to manipulate objects, the ability to use sonar organically, and they kill other species like porpoises for [I]fun[/I]. We should probably consider dolphin behaviour a separate compartment entirely instead of trying to draw parallels with human mores.
kill other species for fun? gee you're right that kind of thing has no parallels with human behaviour
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43446250]killing someones offspring so you can mate with them occurs all the time in nature too. all nature arguments are stupid as hell i reckon[/QUOTE]Not exclusively, its all circumstantial really. But yeah, when someone tries to make the argument that homosexuality is unnatural, I'm pretty sure that pointing out how they are wrong is entirely valid.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43446437]kill other species for fun? gee you're right that kind of thing has no parallels with human behaviour[/QUOTE] With your [I]face[/I]? :v: We typically also don't go after things close to our own size with our bare hands, we use guns and other methods of efficient extermination.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43446523]Not exclusively, its all circumstantial really. But yeah, when someone tries to make the argument that homosexuality is unnatural, I'm pretty sure that pointing out how they are wrong is entirely valid.[/QUOTE] yeah it's a valid way to point out that their nature argument is incorrect but all nature arguments are still stupid [editline]7th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43446718]With your [I]face[/I]? :v: We typically also don't go after things close to our own size with our bare hands, we use guns and other methods of efficient extermination.[/QUOTE] barely any animal goes after things their own size unless they're a pack hunter
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] thats great no one asked for your opinion
[QUOTE=opti2000;43437410]I am honest i am also against homosexual marriage. It is my opinion. You can imagine yourself the bad sides about it.[/QUOTE] It stops being an opinion and start being a factually wrong statement when it has been disproved, like being against gay marriage.
If homosexuality is unnatural then why is there a tickly spot in male's buttholes that makes them orgasm when it's stimulated?
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