Huge blast at Japan nuclear power plant - a partial nuclear meltdown has occured
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[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;28582847]But it just seems that there is always something reactors are at risk of, and that the next risk will just be something else. People uphold nuclear as the best viable resource just because it's more efficient in ways or more recently developed but this just proves that they still don't have it down to something that people can openly say that it is safer than other resources.
It doesn't bother you that this resource requires more safety regulations than anything else? Even a bit?[/QUOTE]
It's people like you why we're stuck with 50-60 year old reactors and not brand new plants that can't do anything even close to this. This is basically only the third notable incident to happen in all the hours nuclear power plants have run since inception.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;28582847]But it just seems that there is always something reactors are at risk of, and that the next risk will just be something else. People uphold nuclear as the best viable resource just because it's more efficient in ways or more recently developed but this just proves that they still don't have it down to something that people can openly say that it is safer than other resources.[/QUOTE]
Complain until no new reactors are built for 40 years.
Complain when the 40 year old reactors have problems.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;28583934]Pros:
It's safer than coal.
More renewable than coal. (Almost infinitely so)
Kills no one. Coal kills approx. 100,000 people in the first world every year.
Releases less radiation into the environment than coal.
Better for the environment by such a ridiculous amount.
Cons:
It sounds scary.[/QUOTE]
+ Cons:
Propaganda against nuclear energy regarding the Chernobyl incident, which happened due to numerous flaws in the plant that the currently used nuclear plants do not have.
Thats cool
[QUOTE=Egonny;28583716]Not sure if it has been posted yet, but this is a must-read regarding the nuclear meltdown: [url]http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/[/url]
tl;dr : this is not Chernobyl v2, everything will be OK.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, really tired of ignorant people like that, the japanese reactors doesn't even use carbon, which was the cause chernobyl released so much radiation.
[QUOTE=Crimor;28584728]Yeah, really tired of ignorant people like that, the japanese reactors doesn't even use carbon, which was the cause chernobyl released so much radiation.[/QUOTE]
Not carbon, but graphite.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;28584813]Not carbon, but graphite.[/QUOTE]
Graphite is just layers of sheets of carbon atoms. In a general sense.
Evacuation zone has been increased from 20km to 100km, looks like something worse is going to happen :ohdear:
[QUOTE=Someguy13;28584991]Evacuation zone has been increased from 20km to 100km, looks like something worse is going to happen :ohdear:[/QUOTE]
Source?
Source please.
[QUOTE=Killerelf12;28584877]Graphite is just layers of sheets of carbon atoms. In a general sense.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but I still feel it's far more correct to say graphite.
[QUOTE=WhatTheEf;28585146]Source please.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.mtv3.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat.shtml/2011/03/1289713/mtv3n-uutisten-kirjeenvaihtaja-kaikki-kertoo-siita-etta-vaara-on-todellinen]Source (in finnish)[/url]
[quote=Finnish]Matka on todella hidasta, sillä ajamme tänne pikkuteitä pitkin. Tässä voi mennä vielä tuntikausia ennen kuin pääsemme sinne. Kaiken lisäksi pysähdyttyämme huoltoasemalla kuulimme, että Fukushiman suoja-aluetta on laajennettu 20 kilometristä sataan kilometriin eli kovin lähelle Sendain kaupunkia emme ehkä pääsekään, Saraste kertoo. [/quote]
[quote=Translated to English]The trip is really slow, because here we are driving on small roads. It might take hours before we can get there. Moreover, the refueling stops told us that the Fukushima protection zone has been extended from 20 kilometers to a hundred kilometers and very near the city of Sendai, so we may not have access to there, Saraste says.[/quote]
(Reuters) - Health risks from Japan's quake-hit nuclear power reactors seem fairly low and winds are likely to carry any contamination out to the Pacific without threatening other nations, experts say.
So apparently a volcano erupted in SW Japan.
Nature's really piling it on.
Yea. At least the rest of the Pacific is alright. Kind of.
[QUOTE=NiGHTS88;28585280]So apparently a volcano erupted in SW Japan.
Nature's really piling it on.[/QUOTE]
God's getting revenge for Loli Hentai.
[url]http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/[/url]
after reading this, and knowing it did partially meltdown, but hearing so many different conflicting opinions about what could happen, I can safely say, everything is contradictory.
The fallout to my area is 750 rads, and the gist of that report is essentially that the worst problem is the power outages in Japan now. The reactor went partial, so failsafes did work, but how many people are screaming bloody mary because they don't know any better? so my question is, how long are we waiting for real answers?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28585539][url]http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/[/url]
after reading this, and knowing it did partially meltdown, but hearing so many different conflicting opinions about what could happen, I can safely say, everything is contradictory.
The fallout to my area is 750 rads, and the gist of that report is essentially that the worst problem is the power outages in Japan now. The reactor went partial, so failsafes did work, but how many people are screaming bloody mary because they don't know any better? so my question is, how long are we waiting for real answers?[/QUOTE]
750 Rads? Is that from the fallout map people keep bringing up showing the fallout crossing the Pacific and hitting the west coast? Its actually a fake.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;28585700]750 Rads? Is that from the fallout map people keep bringing up showing the fallout crossing the Pacific and hitting the west coast? Its actually a fake.[/QUOTE]
I should have known but fear got the best of me on that one.
It did seem too artificial to be real, but thanks Zeddy.
Yeah, a lot of people thought it was real at first.
[QUOTE=Zeddy;28585909]Yeah, a lot of people thought it was real at first.[/QUOTE]
Mostly the same people that thought it would chernobyl.
Small news update (ZDF news about 40 minutes ago):
- Four reactors at first plant with failing cooling.
- Third reactor has decreasing pressure.
- Second reactor has uncontrolled pressure buildup in containment and there are worries that the outer containment explodes. (Click on the small exploding/melting reactor on the left [url=http://www.zdf.de/]here[/url].)
- 500 000 people are fleeing to the south of the country.
- The reactor in Fukushima contains lots of nuclear breakdown products, wich make it more than twice as hazardous as the Chernobyl radioactivity.
(Caesium and strontium; It's the stuff that enters your muscles and bones and stays there. Strontium is undetectable by Geiger-Müller counters.)
Mind you, the television station is not known for exaggerating. (It has public funding and doesn't show ads after 8pm or during broadcasts, so they aren't that dependent on the viewers.)
They also said the 20 km evacuation radius is not nearly enough.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;28586877]Small news update (ZDF news about 40 minutes ago):
- Four reactors at first plant with failing cooling.
- Third reactor has decreasing pressure.
- Second reactor has uncontrolled pressure buildup in containment and there are worries that the outer containment explodes. (Click on the small exploding/melting reactor on the left [url=http://www.zdf.de/]here[/url].)
- 500 000 people are fleeing to the south of the country.
- The reactor in Fukushima contains lots of nuclear breakdown products, wich make it more than twice as hazardous as the Chernobyl radioactivity.
(Caesium and strontium; It's the stuff that enters your muscles and bones and stays there. Strontium is undetectable by Geiger-Müller counters.)
Mind you, the television station is not known for exaggerating. (It has public funding and doesn't show ads after 8pm or during broadcasts, so they aren't that dependent on the viewers.)
They also said the 20 km evacuation radius is not nearly enough.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/[/url]
Poor Japan..
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28586912][url]http://morgsatlarge.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/[/url][/QUOTE]
Why is everyone linking that? I don't know shit about nuclear reactors but I doubt you do either so.. Stop linking to some random fucking blog!
[quote=Streaky]The number of inaccuracies and assumptions you can’t possibly know the answer to (and it’s doubtful Japan knows some answers and cares about others) in this post are truly frightening, it’s hard to know even where to begin.
I’m not suggesting that anybody should be frightened and these issues Japan is experiencing only tend to happen with water reactors, gas reactors and beyond if there’s a serious issue you force-feed them boron balls and all is good with the world.
I’d like to strip this post apart but it’s so long I don’t have time.
You never specified what this scientists PhD is in – does he work in archaeology maybe? Then you go on to specify a person who works in Germany’s nuclear power industry but fail to mention this person’s bonafides once again.
Ignoring all that, I must admire your ability to predict the future and assure us there will be no issues with a reactor that long predates the Chernobyl incident – I’d just like to finish by pointing out that if you think the pressure vessel on that site was somehow a pathetic effort, I’d remind you that the lid that (steam) blast threw into the air like it was cardboard weighed about 2000 tons. The second explosion on the site was altogether more powerful.
These same reactions can happen in any water-moderated reactor vessel in the right circumstances.
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and lol at the sources..
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[QUOTE=J!NX;28582941]So, anyone able to write up a post on everything thats so far happened?[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12722719]BBC News timeline[/url]
The "Why I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors."-post is mostly accurate, the problem is that it doesn't match with some of the measurements and official statements (radioactive iodine outside the facility, other isotopes with much slower breakdown involved, partial meltdown confirmed...).
[editline]13th March 2011[/editline]
Wait, he's a [b]food[/b] researcher??
[editline]13th March 2011[/editline]
The decay time he gives for radioactivity around the fuel is ridiculous.
[editline]13th March 2011[/editline]
[quote]The point is that the nuclear fuel has now been cooled down. Because the chain reaction has been stopped a long time ago, there is only very little residual heat being produced now. [/quote]
What.
I really should have read that more thoroughly before commenting on it.
The only radioactive material that will enter the air in case of an explosion; is idoine...which is a halfing-time of 8 days, which isn't much. Whew.
Saw this on danish TV, hard to translate it correctly.
And there won't be an explosion.
Oh no, whoos gonna make all our great animes like lucky star! desu kawaii~
[sp]sarcasm to its fullest extent[/sp]
[QUOTE=coco911231;28587605]Oh no, whoos gonna make all our great animes like lucky star! desu kawaii~
[sp]sarcasm to its fullest extent[/sp][/QUOTE]
I do believe some voice actors are dead/missing and some anime is most definitely going to get delayed possibly cancelled.
It truly is a sad day.
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