Huge blast at Japan nuclear power plant - a partial nuclear meltdown has occured
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[QUOTE=Tamschi;28601091]ARD:
- The explosions at reactors 1 and 3 destroyed the outer containment (the concrete bubble), the steel casing is intact.
(I'm not entirely sure about that, there is A LOT of contradicting information, but this would explain the strength of the explosions.)[/QUOTE]
It is impossible for them to know that.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;28601091]ZDF:
- There is news about a large leak of radiation.[/quote]
Is there any other news site who confirms this? Because I can't find any.
Japan seems to have a lot of problems cooling the reactors, I hope they won't get even more trouble :ohdear:
[QUOTE=Egonny;28604693]It is impossible for them to know that.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that this happened, the radiation would be worse and they couldn't flood it with water any more.
[QUOTE=Egonny;28604693]Is there any other news site who confirms this? Because I can't find any.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/14/japan.nuclear.reactors/?hpt=T1[/url]
The radiation doubled for a short time, it's much lower again now. I guess they have a somewhat strange definition of large.
The outlook on this nuclear accident is still remarkably good.
Even with a release of radioactive steam and failures in all three levels of coolant backup, with two explosions and meltdowns happening in two different reactors on site, they are still doing a damn good job keeping all radioactive materials contained. It's only once we have stuff like the uranium fuel outside of the inner containment chamber will we really start to have problems however so far it appears the inner containment is quite blast resistant.
[QUOTE=MIPS;28608558]The outlook on this nuclear accident is still remarkably good.
Even with a release of radioactive steam and failures in all three levels of coolant backup, with two explosions and meltdowns happening in two different reactors on site, they are still doing a damn good job keeping all radioactive materials contained. It's only once we have stuff like the uranium fuel outside of the inner containment chamber will we really start to have problems however so far it appears the inner containment is quite blast resistant.[/QUOTE]
3 explosions now
[QUOTE=ironman17;28559817]I think one of my former tutors was going after a scholarship in Japan, but I guess now her plans have changed a little.[/QUOTE]
This girl in my class was going to japan for an exchange program.
The airport she was going to fly into no longer exists.
[QUOTE=spog;28608587]3 explosions now[/QUOTE]
Just heard about it.
Apparently pressure dropped in the main pressure vessel when the explosion happened. This means that either a valve has been blown off....or the integrity of the vessel has failed which is VERY bad as it means it's now possible for the contents of the pressure vessel to leak out and into the inner containment chamber. If molten fuel is escaping we should hear about inner containment radiation levels pegging and then all we have left is the thick concrete base of the inner containment chamber.
Edit:
[IMG]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/vessel.gif[/IMG]
Staff are being evacuated from the plant. Either they are getting all non-essential crew out of there because the radiation levels are now so high or they are going to start remotely controlling and monitoring everything so they can not be as badly exposed.
Edit: Oh, it's the crew from one of the other reactors on site so there is still other personnel that are working on the problem.
This gives me an idea for a meltdown map...
de_nuke_meltdown
:frown:
So, lets see here...
Reactor 1: shut down pre-quake for refueling
Reactor 2: exploded
Reactor 3: exploded
Reactor 4: exploded, on fire
The Prime Minister was just telling people on NHK to dust off before entering their homes.
Sounds to me like there is actual real deal fallout. And the winds for the next few days are going to be blowing that stuff straight towards Tokyo. Real deal SHTF going on there.
I've been seeing a lot of twitter posts and Facebook statuses that go like this:
"A nuclear power plant in Fukumi, Japan exploded at 4:30 AM today. If it rains tomorrow or later, don't go outside. If you are outside, be sure that you have rain protectors. It's acid rain. Don't let it touch you. You may burn your skin, lose your hair or have cancer. Please pass, stay safe and remind everyone you know."
I live in Southeast Asia so I guess people have a good reason to be scared but I'm no expert on nuclear stuff. Is this just silly scaremongering or an actual risk?
Also sorry if this is late
Since people can't understand basic shit I'll go over a few things.
A fire won't do what it did in chernobyl because the only reason that spread radiation was because it used carbon(graphite to be exact) as a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_moderator"]moderator[/URL](shield) which caught on fire, turning the carbon, and the radiation inside it, into smoke, which rose up into the atmosphere. As far as I know, no one has used carbon moderators since
Nuclear reactors cannot explode, no matter how hard you try and make it happen, it does not have enough [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fuel"]fuel[/URL] for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass"]critical mass[/URL]
If you want to know more and not be an ignorant hippie, watch this, if there's something you don't understand after watching the entire thing, feel free to pm me or post and I will explain it, or someone else that knows their shit will.
[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4"][media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4[/URL][/media]
last i heard they were flooding the reactor with seawater
uhh what part of the reactor, that, if contact with water will produce a volatile reaction?
Now it's snowing in the tsunami ravaged areas. [url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-15/japan-s-weather-to-turn-to-freezing-snow-in-quake-hit-areas.html[/url]
Nuclear reactors were built by IKEA.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28613212]last i heard they were flooding the reactor with seawater
uhh what part of the reactor, that, if contact with water will produce a volatile reaction?[/QUOTE]
all the explosions thus far are simple O2 and H2 flash fires. That's all that can really happen here. Maybe that will crack the shell but it won't explode like a weapon at all. It might just leak radiation until they can clean it up.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28613292]all the explosions thus far are simple O2 and H2 flash fires. That's all that can really happen here. Maybe that will crack the shell but it won't explode like a weapon at all. It might just leak radiation until they can clean it up.[/QUOTE]
Well, what part of the Chernobyl Reactor caused so much stress about a threat of a thermal explosion involving the water reservoir underneath it?
[QUOTE=Miskatonic;28613288]Now it's snowing in the tsunami ravaged areas. [url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-15/japan-s-weather-to-turn-to-freezing-snow-in-quake-hit-areas.html[/url]
Nuclear reactors were built by IKEA.[/QUOTE]
120,000 bottles of water, 100,000 packages of noodles, and only 130 toilets. Oh boy.
This scares the shit out of me.
I would cry like a baby if a random earthquake that was that bad happened in the U.S.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28613324]Well, what part of the Chernobyl Reactor caused so much stress about a threat of a thermal explosion involving the water reservoir underneath it?[/QUOTE]
to my knowledge almost all the problems with Chernobyl were from the complete misuse of the reactor and that it used graphite instead of light water, which can break down and turn to carbon smoke which can damage the reactor/spread radiation.
Afaik
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;28613324]Well, what part of the Chernobyl Reactor caused so much stress about a threat of a thermal explosion involving the water reservoir underneath it?[/QUOTE]
The Fukushima reactors doesn't have water reservoirs underneath, unlike Chernobyl.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28613394]to my knowledge almost all the problems with Chernobyl were from the complete misuse of the reactor and that it used graphite instead of light water, which can break down and turn to carbon smoke which can damage the reactor/spread radiation.
Afaik[/QUOTE]
In a nutshell, pretty much, they were idiotic to test a worst case scenario without proper preperations.
[editline]15th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=LarparNar;28613452]The Fukushima reactors doesn't have water reservoirs underneath, unlike Chernobyl.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, pretty much everything that fucked up in chernobyl isn't used anymore.
I might be late.
Evacuation area:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/fApwf.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Crimor;28613070]Since people can't understand basic shit I'll go over a few things.
A fire won't do what it did in chernobyl because the only reason that spread radiation was because it used carbon(graphite to be exact) as a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_moderator"]moderator[/URL](shield) which caught on fire, turning the carbon, and the radiation inside it, into smoke, which rose up into the atmosphere. As far as I know, no one has used carbon moderators since
Nuclear reactors cannot explode, no matter how hard you try and make it happen, it does not have enough [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fuel"]fuel[/URL] for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass"]critical mass[/URL]
If you want to know more and not be an ignorant hippie, watch this, if there's something you don't understand after watching the entire thing, feel free to pm me or post and I will explain it, or someone else that knows their shit will.
[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4"][media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4[/URL][/media][/QUOTE]
Thank you so much for posting this.
[QUOTE=Crimor;28613070]Since people can't understand basic shit I'll go over a few things.
A fire won't do what it did in chernobyl because the only reason that spread radiation was because it used carbon(graphite to be exact) as a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_moderator"]moderator[/URL](shield) which caught on fire, turning the carbon, and the radiation inside it, into smoke, which rose up into the atmosphere. As far as I know, no one has used carbon moderators since
Nuclear reactors cannot explode, no matter how hard you try and make it happen, it does not have enough [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fuel"]fuel[/URL] for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass"]critical mass[/URL]
If you want to know more and not be an ignorant hippie, watch this, if there's something you don't understand after watching the entire thing, feel free to pm me or post and I will explain it, or someone else that knows their shit will.
[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4"][media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4[/URL][/media][/QUOTE]
I knew I could learn everything I'll ever need to know in life on YouTube.
[QUOTE=caesium;28613791]Thank you so much for posting this.[/QUOTE]
Also PM'd star about it, hoping to get it tossed in the OP's of these threads, would make these threads give me less of a headache from the stupidity that news station fearmongering has caused(Like people in finland or someshit buying like all the fucking iodine pills in the country)
[QUOTE=Crimor;28613070]Since people can't understand basic shit I'll go over a few things.
A fire won't do what it did in chernobyl because the only reason that spread radiation was because it used carbon(graphite to be exact) as a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_moderator"]moderator[/URL](shield) which caught on fire, turning the carbon, and the radiation inside it, into smoke, which rose up into the atmosphere. As far as I know, no one has used carbon moderators since
Nuclear reactors cannot explode, no matter how hard you try and make it happen, it does not have enough [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fuel"]fuel[/URL] for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass"]critical mass[/URL]
If you want to know more and not be an ignorant hippie, watch this, if there's something you don't understand after watching the entire thing, feel free to pm me or post and I will explain it, or someone else that knows their shit will.
[URL="http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4"][media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4[/URL][/media][/QUOTE]
Long lecture, but it was really informative.
I will now specialize as an internet nuclear physicist.
[QUOTE=Alvaldi;28613830]Long lecture, but it was really informative.
I will now specialize as an internet nuclear physicist.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for making that a page king :3:
So I've been sleeping, but what's up?
Anyone got a summary of the last nine hours?
[QUOTE=LarparNar;28614174]So I've been sleeping, but what's up?
Anyone got a summary of the last nine hours?[/QUOTE]
Just more ignorant people going lolchernobyl, not that much from japan.
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