Diablo III's Jay Wilson lashes out at series creator David Brevik, "Fuck that loser"
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[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;37338936]After hearing so much about Diablo 3, I sorta feel like that by not playing it, I missed out a solid chunk of modern gaming history.
I am fucking glad I did.[/QUOTE]
I played Diablo 3 up to Hell difficulty and got a refund so I didn't miss shiet and got my money back. Sweet deal
P.S. the storyline sucks shit and a 6 year old could make a better plot
This just goes to show how young the gaming industry still is, I mean this also happens in films and Hollywood, but that's career suicide, to say the least.
And cannot agree with you more DeEz they really ought to sack up and take in the criticism and honestly Brevik could've just let loose and I'm sure he wanted to, but he kept it fairly clean, good on him, good on him.
Just gonna throw this out there: Anyone hyped for a new Diablo should really get Torchlight 2. Some backstory:
After David Brevik left Blizzard North, he founded Flagship Studios with a lot of the people from the Diablo team. One of their projects was an action RPG called Mythos, which was never released because the company was dissolved. They eventually got together and created a little studio called Runic Games. Makers of Torchlight 1 and 2. The "real" Diablo 3.
Without the hype of the Diablo franchise D3 wouldn't have sold 1/5th of what it did.
[QUOTE=venn178;37341686]Just gonna throw this out there: Anyone hyped for a new Diablo should really get Torchlight 2. Some backstory:
After David Brevik left Blizzard North, he founded Flagship Studios with a lot of the people from the Diablo team. One of their projects was an action RPG called Mythos, which was never released because the company was dissolved. They eventually got together and created a little studio called Runic Games. Makers of Torchlight 1 and 2. The "real" Diablo 3.[/QUOTE]
Ya, im waiting for Torchlight 2.
But the newest Diablo 3 patch sounds pretty good.
Its sad, Diablo 3 could have been amazing, the combat and look is really smooth, all the spells are fun and have a real kick to them, all that shit is great, but the fucking RMAH and shitty itemization and shit like that just make it bad, and the RMAH isnt going anywhere ever, it will be there forever.
"Fuck that loser", while not the language I'd use, fits pretty well when you consider Blizzard Souths version of Diablo 3 got cancelled because it didn't live up to Blizzard's quality specifications (something the inc gamers article doesn't mention whatsoever), and the Blizzard North version became the fastest selling PC title of all time. I'd be pretty annoyed to if an obviously still upset former game developer publicly ripped my game, and closed an interview with an outright "we are the better studio".
[QUOTE=Raidyr;37343051]"Fuck that loser", while not the language I'd use, fits pretty well when you consider Blizzard Souths version of Diablo 3 got cancelled because it didn't live up to Blizzard's quality specifications (something the inc gamers article doesn't mention whatsoever), and the Blizzard North version became the fastest selling PC title of all time. I'd be pretty annoyed to if an obviously still upset former game developer publicly ripped my game, and closed an interview with an outright "we are the better studio".[/QUOTE]
IIrc Diablo III as it was meant to be was cancelled when Blizz South nearly gone bankrupt and was acquired by Activision, instead of continuing the project, act threw everyone out and started making their own Diablo III.
I got to say that I bought the game by sheer peer presure, while I did enjoy, I have to agree that this game is pure hype, and gets nowhere near to live up to the game that Diablo II was.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;37343168]more sales/broadened audience hardly = a better game[/QUOTE]
Whether or not it's an actual "better" game is subjective opinion, because better is an incredibly general word to use when you are talking about a game with as many moving parts and complex mechanisms as one made in 2011. Metacritic gives both titles an 88, though I'm sure Blizzard paid off all 34 critical reviewers to pass that one. I personally liked both, I'm just sympathizing with the Diablo 3 devs here. Thrown under the bus is an apt phrase in this situation.
That facebook was the biggest circlejerk i ever saw. This is the kind of people you DON'T want making games. They can't evolve if they can't take criticism. They're obviously ignoring it on account of being "superior to the one delivering the critique". That's retarded. GG Blizzard. Rip 1887-1999.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;37343230]IIrc Diablo III as it was meant to be was cancelled when Blizz South nearly gone bankrupt and was acquired by Activision, instead of continuing the project, act threw everyone out and started making their own Diablo III.
I got to say that I bought the game by sheer peer presure, while I did enjoy, I have to agree that this game is pure hype, and gets nowhere near to live up to the game that Diablo II was.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On August 1, 2005, Blizzard Entertainment announced the closure of Blizzard North. A key reason for the closure was Blizzard North's poor development of what was to be Diablo III which did not meet the expectations of Vivendi.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bomimo;37343278]That facebook was the biggest circlejerk i ever saw. This is the kind of people you DON'T want making games. They can't evolve if they can't take criticism. They're obviously ignoring it on account of being "superior to the one delivering the critique". That's retarded. GG Blizzard. Rip 1887-1999.[/QUOTE]
I find the idea that Blizzard as a company can't take criticism absurd when they are constantly asking the community for feedback on changes. The huge 1.0.4 patch coming out soon? They let everyone know about every major change for weeks in advance so people could talk about that. Their community managers (the "blue posters") are constantly interacting with the community. Major gameplay elements of WoW have changed, for good or bad, because an overwhelming section of the community. The RealID forum change, which would have made everyone posting on Blizzard forums use their actual name, was reversed in days because of the backlash.
This wasn't criticism. This was a journalist-backed hatchet job.
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This wasn't criticism. This was a journalist-backed hatchet job.[/QUOTE]
It was the objective truth colored mildly by professional opinion. The response was a 40-yearold fat virgin circle jerk.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;37343431]It was the objective truth colored mildly by professional opinion. The response was a 40-yearold fat virgin circle jerk.[/QUOTE]
Way to ignore the rest of my post outlining why your original post was wrong.
As long as we are talking about objectivity, this dudes Diablo III game got canceled because it wasn't good enough for release. Jay Wilsons Diablo III game released and sold millions. Objective fact.
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[url]http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6368188147#2[/url]
>Blizzard doesn't listen to criticism.
Fine. Blizzard takes criticism. Jay Wilson and 12 other developers do not.
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Someone else must be beating him with a stick to get anything fixed.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;37343556]Fine. Blizzard takes criticism. Jay Wilson and 12 other developers do not.
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Someone else must be beating him with a stick to get anything fixed.[/QUOTE]
It is actually just Jay Wilson. I met him at a Blizzcon once when getting a soda, and he seemed so full of himself.
Either he has douchey people on his team, or they are trying to suck up to him to not get fired.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;37343556]Fine. Blizzard takes criticism. Jay Wilson and 12 other developers do not.
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Someone else must be beating him with a stick to get anything fixed.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6968517"]Jay Wilson listening to criticism of the game and making sweeping endgame changes[/URL]
Yeah, someone else is beating him with a stick. The people who bought the game. Not some game developer with a chip on his shoulder visible from space.
[QUOTE=Fangz;37343654]It is actually just Jay Wilson. I met him at a Blizzcon once when getting a soda, and he seemed so full of himself.
Either he has douchey people on his team, or they are trying to suck up to him to not get fired.[/QUOTE]
You can't really take that personally. I'm gonna guess he kinda didn't notice you and/or didn't return a greeting? Usually that's rude, but he may be a bit stressed out at BlizzCon.
Fuck Blizzard
diablo 3 sucks balls
What I didn't get was why Fallen were like, the hardest enemies to kill whereas in the first game they tended to be something extremely low levels would have ease massacring armies of them.
Act 4 was worth it though.
[QUOTE=FunnyBunny;37338787]what a thundercunt[/QUOTE]
To call him a thundercunt is insulting to thundercunts.
Call him a super-mega-hypercunt instead.
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;37343318]I'd love to buy Torchlight 2, but I don't like the visuals either.
I just want a dark, gritty demonic Diablo game again.[/QUOTE]
Well there's Grim Dawn, which is from the Makers of Titan Quest, which is one of the best Diablo-clones IMO. But that's way too early in development to tell where it's going. That's also Path of Exile which is has dark in gritty scenery, but seemed really sterile to me.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;37344209]Well there's Grim Dawn, which is from the Makers of Titan Quest, which is one of the best Diablo-clones IMO. But that's way too early in development to tell where it's going. That's also Path of Exile which is has dark in gritty scenery, but seemed really sterile to me.[/QUOTE]
Pretty hyped for Grim Dawn, I liked Titan Quest more than any of the Diablo games.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;37343478]Way to ignore the rest of my post outlining why your original post was wrong.
As long as we are talking about objectivity, this dudes Diablo III game got canceled because it wasn't good enough for release. Jay Wilsons Diablo III game released and sold millions. Objective fact.
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[URL]http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6368188147#2[/URL]
>Blizzard doesn't listen to criticism.[/QUOTE]
David Brevik (As well as [URL="http://www.diablowiki.net/Bill_Roper"]Bill Roper[/URL], [URL="http://www.diablowiki.net/Max_Schaefer"]Max Schaefer[/URL], and [URL="http://www.diablowiki.net/Erich_Schaefer"]Erich Schaefer[/URL]) resigned from Blizzard North in 2003. It closed in 2005 with Blizzard's cancellation of Diablo III. Obviously there were other problems, and he has the right to say whatever he wants about Diablo III's development.
Hell, there was even some screenshots released from that version of the game, so it looks like they got moderately far before they all up and quit.
[IMG]http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/600/medium/screen07.jpg[/IMG]
I never said he wasn't allowed to say what he wants about D3's development. I was just criticizing what he said.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;37344666]I never said he wasn't allowed to say what he wants about D3's development. I was just criticizing what he said.[/QUOTE]
Well you're directly pinning Diablo III's cancellation on him, and that's dead wrong.
[quote]I speak for everyone in our company when I say how grateful we are to have had the opportunity to work closely with this group of individuals. Each one of them has made valuable contributions to many of our games, and we would like to thank them for all of their hard work over the years. We wish them nothing but the best and are confident that they will be successful in their future endeavors," stated Mike Morhaime, Blizzard Entertainment president and co-founder."At the same time, we want to convey that Blizzard's success has never been attributable to any one person or small group of individuals, and I am confident that we have the teams in place to continue creating some of the best games in the world."
[B]Blizzard does not believe that these resignations will cause any significant delays or have long-term negative effects on the "Diablo®" series or other projects in development.[/B][/quote]
There's no way to be right in saying this, but what it looks like is there was an internal conflict at Blizzard involving these long-time devs, and they all left at once to start a new company. At the same time, what was left of their crippled team continued to work on Diablo III under Blizzard's orders. In 2005 (5 years of total dev time), Blizzard passed it off to the current dev team hoping to get it out the door faster, who started over from scratch on the current version. (Common industry practice when taking in another studio's project)
The original Diablo III according to interviews was qutie a bit more MMO like, so it was going to be a much larger and more expensive game than what we were given, so it makes perfect sense that Blizzard would reboot it after Blizzard North suffered such a huge loss of experience.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;37344733]Well you're directly pinning Diablo III's cancellation on him, and that's dead wrong.
There's no way to be right in saying this, but what it looks like is there was an internal conflict at Blizzard involving these long-time devs, and they all left at once to start a new company. At the same time, what was left of their crippled team continued to work on Diablo III under Blizzard's orders. In 2005 (5 years of total dev time), Blizzard passed it off to the current dev team hoping to get it out the door faster, who started over from scratch on the current version.
The original Diablo III according to interviews was qutie a bit more MMO like, so it was going to be a much larger and more expensive game than what we were given.[/QUOTE]
Do you know how stressful that is? The current dev team was probably panicking so much.
[QUOTE=Swilly;37344807]Do you know how stressful that is? The current dev team was probably panicking so much.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like they're still panicking since they can't take constructive criticism from the very people who's success they're borrowing.
True enough, he had a disagreement with management and quit. How much of the game did he work on before he left though? I suppose it's possible the most of it was developed under the skeleton crew that remained behind but we just don't know.
So yes I'll admit that it was misleading of me to suggest that the earlier iteration of Diablo 3 failed solely because of him. I still find his criticisms of Blizzard South to be unwarranted though.
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[QUOTE=1/4 Life;37344824]Sounds like they're still panicking since they can't take constructive criticism from the very people who's success they're borrowing.[/QUOTE]
"We could do it better because you have no experience" isn't particularly constructive. The closest they got to actually talking about the flaws of Diablo 3 were a cursory rundown of the RMAH and poor itemization.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;37344824]Sounds like they're still panicking since they can't take constructive criticism from the very people who's success they're borrowing.[/QUOTE]
That's actually a horrible way to look at it, since they're not borrowing anything and have to live up to their expectations and standards of the previous games.
Its more like being the younger brother who just joined highschool after your older popular brother left.
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