homosexuality is definitely not any sort of biological population control method
[editline]15th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;43919816]Yes, I think adoption isn't a dependable way of creating families. It only works because of institutions that take care of it, whereas a conventional family is as simple as having a child of your own. It creates an unbreakable genetic bond. How would adoption work if there were no manmade institutions to manage it? Could you just grab a kid on the street and proclaim it as yours?[/QUOTE]
didn't see this edit. unbreakable genetic bond? you're an idiot. this unbreakable genetic bond doesn't seem to work so well in china where female children used to be left in the streets to die
[editline]15th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=gudman;43919887]There's a line between stupidity and ignorance. Why not fight ignorance by EXPLAINING how shit works instead of coming across as an asshole?[/QUOTE]
yes there is a line, and thinking the human race could die out if homosexuality is seen as normal is definitely crossing it
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[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;43919911]I think it works in today's society but it wouldn't on the most basal level.[/QUOTE]
we don't live on the most 'basal level' and uh, every single culture in human history has used adoption heavily, and not only that even animals have been shown to adopt
[QUOTE=gudman;43919887]There's a line between stupidity and ignorance. Why not fight ignorance by EXPLAINING how shit works instead of coming across as an asshole?[/QUOTE]
Because no one cares enough to hand-hold someone through not being an idiot
Especially when there will always be another idiot to replace them
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;43919888]
It just seems to me that there's more and more homosexuals than there were before, but that's easily explained by homosexuality becoming less of a taboo nowadays.[/QUOTE]
You see "more" homosexuals because the society is currently engaged in an argument, and more people speak up openly about their sexuality than before. It doesn't only relate to that, but it's a big factor. You can't make a person homosexual by influencing them in any way at all. I mean, if applied enough pressure, you can make me fuck a man, but you won't make me like it, or want it.
Now, if you somehow influence a child into thinking he has to fuck people of their sex, it, again, won't make them sexually attracted to same sex, it'll only make them miserable. But that doesn't really happen, nor is it going to ever be prevalent.
[editline]15th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43919936]Because no one cares enough to hand-hold someone through not being an idiot[/QUOTE]
Sure, but what are you losing here by not being an ass, I don't understand? It sure isn't "I'm not wasting time", because you still post. And since you're posting anyway, why not try and explain?
Calling people dumb is a guilty pleasure what can I say
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43919936]Because no one cares enough to hand-hold someone through not being an idiot[/QUOTE]
If trying to teach someone who's ignorant is pointless, why is acting like a dick to someone who's ignorant any more meaningful?
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;43919911]I think it works in today's society but it wouldn't on the most basal level.[/QUOTE]
'base level' also means nothing. it's a far, far removed and irrelevant. and just because 'it worked once', doesn't mean it's right. i don't even gotta bring up all the monstrosities mankind has committed because people were different.
[QUOTE=Simski;43919955]If trying to teach someone who's ignorant is pointless, why is acting like a dick to someone who's ignorant any more meaningful?[/QUOTE]
It isn't
Arguing on the internet period is pretty meaningless but that doesn't stop me from coming back like a battered wife
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43919963]It isn't
Arguing on the internet period is pretty meaningless but that doesn't stop me from coming back like a battered wife[/QUOTE]
I still think there's more point to trying to help than there is to just assume everything is a lost cause
[QUOTE=Simski;43919955]If trying to teach someone who's ignorant is pointless, why is acting like a dick to someone who's ignorant any more meaningful?[/QUOTE]
if someone needs me to explain to them why homosexuality being accepted as normal wouldn't wipe out the human race then they deserve to be insulted
I'm not shocked to be honest. I never understood the craze about Page but I guess a lot of fanboys are going to be disappointed. I hope they don't spam her with messages of betrayal and shit like that. That'd be very unfortunate.
Also this makes Beyond Two Souls even more awkward given the fate of every female protagonist in David Cage's games.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43919975]if someone needs me to explain to them why homosexuality being accepted as normal wouldn't wipe out the human race then they deserve to be insulted[/QUOTE]
and from your insults they will learn nothing, your insults will only serve to make them to think less of people that shares your opinion, and they will not be given any new reason to change their perspective
[QUOTE=Simski;43919991]and from your insults they will learn nothing, your insults will only serve to make them to think less of people that shares your opinion, and they will not be give any new reason to change their perspective[/QUOTE]
yes lets just remove all responsibility from moronic bigots
[QUOTE=Simski;43919966]I still think there's more point to trying to help than there is to just assume everything is a lost cause[/QUOTE]
Yeah but again you'll just drive yourself nuts, if you really want to put effort forth and aren't a slacktivist like myself you'd be better off doing something that influences the general public not every specific internet user you come across on a website where the statistical average age is 16.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;43919961]'base level' also means nothing. it's a far, far removed and irrelevant. and just because 'it worked once', doesn't mean it's right. i don't even gotta bring up all the monstrosities mankind has committed because people were different.[/QUOTE]
Good points, and you're right. Thanks for taking your time to help me fix the faults in my opinions.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43919975]if someone needs me to explain to them why homosexuality being accepted as normal wouldn't wipe out the human race then they deserve to be insulted[/QUOTE]
Yeah, everyone is educated and experienced in the field of biology these days, right? And even if they aren't, they sure as hell would help themselves get educated on the subject if you insult them just enough. This kind of misconception is pretty common, and it's mostly born of ignorance in biology. It's not exactly tought at schools everywhere. I don't see how completely dismissing that kind of opinion instead of making the truth more popular helps any cause at all.
You seem to hold that kind of paranoid belief that if someone holds opinion that is wrong, he must be a nazi. When someone knows less than you do, on a complicated matter no less, it doesn't automatically mean their ignorance of the subject is willingly self-imposed.
[QUOTE=gudman;43920014]Yeah, everyone is educated and experienced in the field of biology these days, right? And even if they aren't, they sure as hell would help themselves get educated on the subject if you insult them just enough. This kind of misconception is pretty common, and it's mostly born of ignorance in biology. It's not exactly tought at schools everywhere. I don't see how completely dismissing that kind of opinion instead of making the truth more popular helps any cause at all.
You seem to hold that kind of paranoid belief that if someone holds opinion that is wrong, he must be a nazi. When someone knows less than you do, on a complicated matter no less, it doesn't automatically mean their ignorance of the subject is willingly self-imposed.[/QUOTE]
i'm not educated in biology at all. just have a little bit of: common sense, critical thinking and human empathy!
[editline]15th February 2014[/editline]
are you seriously trying to defend someones idea that homosexuality being accepted would kill off the human race as anything other than complete dumbfuckery?
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43920002]Yeah but again you'll just drive yourself nuts, if you really want to put effort forth and aren't a slacktivist you'd be better off doing something that influences the general public not every specific internet user you come across on a website where the statistical average age is 16.[/QUOTE]
I don't really care for influencing the general public, or rather I know I have no real effective means of doing so. All I want is to influence Facepunch to be a civilized place where people treats each other with respect and gives everyone a fair chance.
Good for her for being honest.
[QUOTE=Simski;43920048]I don't really care for influencing the general public, or rather I know I have no real effective means of doing so. All I want is to influence Facepunch to be a civilized place where people treats each other with respect and gives everyone a fair chance.[/QUOTE]
why is it that you lovely dudes that just want everyone on facepunch to be treated with respect only ever seem to bring this up when it's idiots with moronic opinions on shit like gays being called out? never seen either of you defending people with liberal viewpoints when they're insulted
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43919963]It isn't
Arguing on the internet period is pretty meaningless but that doesn't stop me from coming back like a battered wife[/QUOTE]
It's like a game; you don't really get anything out of it, but it's fun so you keep doing it.
[QUOTE=be;43920139]It's like a game; you don't really get anything out of it, but it's fun so you keep doing it.[/QUOTE]
oh here we go, be and his game theory again
[QUOTE=arbio22;43917474]Doesn't homosexual mean sexually attracted to man? Hence "Homo" and "Sexual"[/QUOTE]
Yes, very good.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43920143]oh here we go, be and his game theory again[/QUOTE]
One day you will understand
This is a step in the right direction. Gay actors/actresses shouldn't have to hide something like this in fear of their careers.
I think a bit more could be done, however. Call me optimistic, but what I think we need alongside gay actors/actresses coming out is for straight actors/actresses to show support as well in this kind of format. I'd love to see an interview or something with whatever big hotshot celeb you want saying something along the lines of "I'm not gay, but I think it's wrong how they're treated and I think people should be allowed to be who they are."
Unless something like that has been done already, in which case it completely slipped passed me. Excuse my ignorance if it has been, I tend to not keep up with the news due it's general depressing nature and its focus on frivolous matters. (we should not be making news stories about what actors got arrested and for why, for example.)
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43920125]why is it that you lovely dudes that just want everyone on facepunch to be treated with respect only ever seem to bring this up when it's idiots with moronic opinions on shit like gays being called out? never seen either of you defending people with liberal viewpoints when they're insulted[/QUOTE]
Because people with liberal viewpoints including myself are the majority on FP, we don't need as much backup because the majority already agrees with us and we have enough knowledge on our subjects to fend well for ourselves.
I'm not really defending his opinions being argued against, I'm defending the use of respectful manners while arguing with someone.
[QUOTE=Simski;43919955]If trying to teach someone who's ignorant is pointless, why is acting like a dick to someone who's ignorant any more meaningful?[/QUOTE]
Being ignorant means they can get taught, they're idiots because they can't.
[QUOTE=arbio22;43917474]Doesn't homosexual mean sexually attracted to man? Hence "Homo" and "Sexual"[/QUOTE]
Post of the fucking year. I applaud you for not instantly sniping that.
[QUOTE=arbio22;43917474]Doesn't homosexual mean sexually attracted to man? Hence "Homo" and "Sexual"[/QUOTE]
No. Homo in this sense means same. What do you think the alternative is? Femsexual?
The two main directions are Hetero (as in different) sexual and homo (as in same) sexual
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;43919769]I think homosexuality should always be seen as different. I'm not homophobic, but neither do I think it's normal for a person to be attracted to the same sex, for biological reasons. Do you think a population where half the people have no desire to reproduce would be healthy? You may argue that a homosexual couple could have kids through fertilization by a 3rd person, but that way the offspring would not only miss a father figure, but also the genetic bond between children/parents would be broken and the whole concept of families starts to fall apart.[/QUOTE]
And that's why it's rare for populations to exceed a certain percentage of people who are not heterosexual. Obviously it's skewed in some cultures like ancient Greece or Japan, which had quite a lot of sexual relations in a teacher pupil dynamic, but other than that.
The amount is generally similar across populations. Just sometimes repressed in some cultures.
It's possible tough, for it to be more common amongst certain professions.
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