• Russia massing troops on Ukrainian border
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This is like the fifth time this is reported. Just like with North Korea, nothing will happen.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45169375]This is like the fifth time this is reported. Just like with North Korea, nothing will happen.[/QUOTE] Probably not, but the situation is not really comparable to North Korea. North Korea would get utterly obliterated if they made an overt move against south korea, even the most loudmouth generals and politicians probably know that at heart. Russia on the other hand actually has some weight to throw around and a direct engagement with NATO would be very costly for both sides.
look at those bastards
I wish the government I was supporting would give my militia free guns along with tank, helicopter, and IFV support. russia pls gib.
Is that a Negev he's holding? GabeN would be proud.
I like how article dismisses recent shelling of russian border checkpoint and that Ukrainian btr crossed border previously and was left without crew in a damn field. You can raise your red scare dongers as much as you want but this is a logical step to prevent more provocations. Not to mentioned a damn stream of refuges who i would like ot remind you, flee from Ukrainian military, not separatist forces (or why else would they go to russia, huh?)
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45174644]I like how article dismisses recent shelling of russian border checkpoint and that Ukrainian btr crossed border previously and was left without crew in a damn field. You can raise your red scare dongers as much as you want but this is a logical step to prevent more provocations. Not to mentioned a damn stream of refuges who i would like ot remind you, flee from Ukrainian military, not separatist forces (or why else would they go to russia, huh?)[/QUOTE] Okay but Russia started this whole conflict though, remember?
[QUOTE=-Sleepy-*;45174541]Is that a Negev he's holding? GabeN would be proud.[/QUOTE] It's a PKM.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45174731]Okay but Russia started this whole conflict though, remember?[/QUOTE] west has as much involvement in the destabilization of ukraine as russia this is practically syria and libya but in europe
[QUOTE=Leon;45174855]west has as much involvement in the destabilization of ukraine as russia this is practically syria and libya but in europe[/QUOTE] How many regions of Ukraine has the "west" annexed?
[QUOTE=Leon;45174855]west has as much involvement in the destabilization of ukraine as russia this is practically syria and libya but in europe[/QUOTE] god damn it give me one piece of evidence of the west doing anything apart from giving money to the new government to not collapse
[QUOTE=Turing;45175092]god damn it give me one piece of evidence of the west doing anything apart from giving money to the new government to not collapse[/QUOTE] Are you stupid? What about that leaked tape where top US diplomats discuss which Ukrainian rich guy to back?
[QUOTE=laserguided;45180838]Are you stupid? What about that leaked tape where top US diplomats discuss which Ukrainian rich guy to back?[/QUOTE] Yeah, giving support and money. Meanwhile Russia has actively invaded Ukraine and annexed a large portion of the country.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45180865]Yeah, giving support and money. Meanwhile Russia has actively invaded Ukraine and annexed a large portion of the country.[/QUOTE] But- But, the U.S. is just as bad because middle of the road fallacy! Invasion and annex is so trivial compared to the real threat of mild international political influencing.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45180865]Yeah, giving support and money. Meanwhile Russia has actively invaded Ukraine and annexed a large portion of the country.[/QUOTE] Backing political figures before a new government is even formed. No doubt the west is heavily involved in the initial crisis and the aftermath. No doubt Russia is involved in invading Crimea and backing troops in East Ukraine.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45180906]Backing political figures before a new government is even formed. No doubt the west is heavily involved in the initial crisis and the aftermath. No doubt Russia is involved in invading Crimea and backing troops in East Ukraine.[/QUOTE] Except that's all indirect support of the Ukrainian status quo?, while Russia is supplying the separatists with military hardware and is (as we can suppose from what's been reported on so far) directly contributing to the rebel offensive with soldiers. You have got to admit the balance of powerplay is highly skewed here towards Russia, man. Our angry words are still just words from our mouths and euro bills from our wallets, but Russian anger is manifest in bullets and boots on the ground.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;45174731]Okay but Russia started this whole conflict though, remember?[/QUOTE] It's pretty much like punching someone in the face and then telling them to calm down and not start a fight.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;45181439]Except that's all indirect support of the Ukrainian status quo?, while Russia is supplying the separatists with military hardware and is (as we can suppose from what's been reported on so far) directly contributing to the rebel offensive with soldiers. You have got to admit the balance of powerplay is highly skewed here towards Russia, man. Our angry words are still just words from our mouths and euro bills from our wallets, but Russian anger is manifest in bullets and boots on the ground.[/QUOTE] They supported those figures during the overthrow of the government.
The west has nothing to do with Ukraine or Syria, don't be silly :wink:
[QUOTE=ExplosiveCheese;45174796]It's a PKM.[/QUOTE] Actually, its a PKP.
[QUOTE=just-a-boy;45181439]Except that's all indirect support of the Ukrainian status quo?, while Russia is supplying the separatists with military hardware and is (as we can suppose from what's been reported on so far) directly contributing to the rebel offensive with soldiers. You have got to admit the balance of powerplay is highly skewed here towards Russia, man. Our angry words are still just words from our mouths and euro bills from our wallets, but Russian anger is manifest in bullets and boots on the ground.[/QUOTE] Russia is using bullets and soldiers because there's nothing left for it to do. This isn't germany, this is ukraine. Not just the fSU, the heartland of east slavs. Besides, what are they going to do diplomatically? Fall for another 'not one inch east' promise? Liberal, atlanticist powers like the US can afford to throw around carriers, money, and their politicians. Doesn't make them morally better.
[QUOTE=Conscript;45183219]Russia is using bullets and soldiers because there's nothing left for it to do. This isn't germany, this is ukraine. Not just the fSU, the heartland of east slavs. Besides, what are they going to do diplomatically? Fall for another 'not one inch east' promise? Liberal, atlanticist powers like the US can afford to throw around carriers, money, and their politicians. Doesn't make them morally better.[/QUOTE] They could have always just bought some politicians for their side and tried to out-influence voters, NOT DESTABILIZE Ukraine even further.
[QUOTE=-Sleepy-*;45174541]Is that a Negev he's holding? GabeN would be proud.[/QUOTE] How does one get this dumb.
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