• Tory Minister Alan Duncan slammed for saying 'primitive cultures' have anti-LGBT problem
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;44526678]Well it doesn't help that missionaries from the US and Europe are helping fuel this or that Islamic groups influenced by the middle-east hate it.[/QUOTE] They're also labeled as hate groups.
I have never understood the attitude of "remember that homophobia is a western import from colonialism!!!!!" so what you're saying is, that these countries are still following an attitude that was held by the west [I]centuries[/I] ago, and this is meant to be any better?
[QUOTE=J!NX;44525715]Believe it or not, there are way more important ideals than gay marriage to base a political structure on. And conservative thinking isn't ignorant thinking, it's something different. It's ignorant to be anti-gay however. You can be ignorant and a liberal, libertarian, conservative, whatever.[/QUOTE] For seeing past ideology and to the supporting, yet twisted and mostly forgotten, political philosophies: I award you the "Sorry, most of facepunch will ignore you because people love to hate" award [editline]12th April 2014[/editline] But yeah, politically the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have lost all real meaning in the popular lexicon. They still have meaning scientifically, but all that most people "know" about politics was created as ideology and has only the most tenuous connection to any sound philosophy.
the reason there's a backlash is mostly because he broke anthropology rule no.1: don't fucking call other cultures 'primitive' culture is a completely socially constructed so to say one is more 'primitive' that another is just dumb. our ideas of primitivity come entirely from comparing stuff to ourselves. it's all relative. primitivity is a evolutionary idea which has no place in discussions on culture
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;44528101]the reason there's a backlash is mostly because he broke anthropology rule no.1: don't fucking call other cultures 'primitive' culture is a completely socially constructed so to say one is more 'primitive' that another is just dumb. our ideas of primitivity come entirely from comparing stuff to ourselves. it's all relative. primitivity is a evolutionary idea which has no place in discussions on culture[/QUOTE] Although culture evolves...yet it might be better to say culture adapts to current conditions and civilization grows. Primitive is an odd term in evolution too, it's more like wrong tool for the job
I use primitive to refer to a society which cannot maintain large populations for long periods of time. If you had some hunter gather way of organizing say a group of 1000 people as opposed to 50, then that societies social and political institutions, economic system, technological ability, etc would be "primitive" because they would not be able to keep that number of people working and living together without it falling apart.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;44527072]I have never understood the attitude of "remember that homophobia is a western import from colonialism!!!!!" so what you're saying is, that these countries are still following an attitude that was held by the west [I]centuries[/I] ago, and this is meant to be any better?[/QUOTE] centuries ago? hmm weird i was under the impression that alot of the anti-gay hate laws in african countries were supported and funded by westerners. maybe you should remember that being gay got you chemically castrated in the UK as little as 60 years ago [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] or imprisoned
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;44527072]I have never understood the attitude of "remember that homophobia is a western import from colonialism!!!!!" so what you're saying is, that these countries are still following an attitude that was held by the west [I]centuries[/I] ago, and this is meant to be any better?[/QUOTE] More an acknowledgement (Not a absolution of those countries) that we left a complete mess behind us. And are still causing a mess - remember the American fundies and Uganda?
We still make a mess with our huge influence and our lack of understanding of Huntingtonism: You can't just jump to western democracy, and the different conditions in many countries also calls for different ways of eventually reaching it.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44528478]centuries ago? hmm weird i was under the impression that alot of the anti-gay hate laws in african countries were supported and funded by westerners. maybe you should remember that being gay got you chemically castrated in the UK as little as 60 years ago [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] or imprisoned[/QUOTE] who funded this was it funded by western governments, or religious extremists from the west because if it is the latter, you are essentially saying the west is responsible for the actions of the few and rich or are we saying that spheres are directly responsible for the actions of individuals [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;44528494]More an acknowledgement (Not a absolution of those countries) that we left a complete mess behind us. And are still causing a mess - remember the American fundies and Uganda?[/QUOTE] once again, labelling an entire political pole because of the actions of individuals if this was done in any other comparison, you'd be laughed out instantly disclosure: I completely agree that colonialism left a big mess behind it, but saying that the west is responsible for the work of religious extremists in pushing forward anti-LGBT laws currently is akin to saying that countries in the geopolitical east are responsible for the actions of religious extremists involved in acts of terrorism. the west is not a gestalt entity with every single citizen.
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