• Labour calls for longer school days
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[QUOTE=Coffee;34063068]One thing to keep in mind is that college hours are generally longer and more work like, the people who go to college are the ones who are more likely to get jobs, colleges generally have a much more adult approach to learning. The people who don't go to college should be given military service or something, at least that way they're doing something and not hanging out on street corners mugging old grannies.[/QUOTE] What an ignorant and offensive post.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063299]College in the UK = High School in the USA. It's free here.[/QUOTE] Isn't it High School = High School? College is mostly for people to go and learn vocations. University is where you go to get a degree, akin to what the yanks refer to as college. Maybe Scotland does it different from the rest of you.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063299]College in the UK = High School in the USA. It's free here.[/QUOTE] i'm jealous.
[QUOTE=Higginz511;34063380]i'm jealous.[/QUOTE] If you're lucky enough to be Scottish, you get free university in Scottish uni's, too, if I remember correctly.
i like how they try to say that school hours are nothing like work hours, well the gigantic difference there is school is mandatory and your parents/government force you to go at a young age, while working you actually get paid for probably a less exhausting day. 2/3 hours of homework means some kids would be getting kicked out of school for not doing their work, because what 12 year old will come home from school at like 7 and then go straight to 3 hours of homework then go to bed 5 days a week, with another 6 hours of homework to do on the weekend
[QUOTE=Jobby;34063365]Isn't it High School = High School? College is mostly for people to go and learn vocations. University is where you go to get a degree, akin to what the yanks refer to as college. Maybe Scotland does it different from the rest of you.[/QUOTE] In England it goes like: Nursery/Reception<Primary School<Secondary School<College<University
[QUOTE=Higginz511;34063380]i'm jealous.[/QUOTE] you're jealous for high school being free? isn't education in like every country free?
All of the major "improvements" to education in this country seem to be "MORE SCHOOL"
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063068]One thing to keep in mind is that college hours are generally longer and more work like, the people who go to college are the ones who are more likely to get jobs, colleges generally have a much more adult approach to learning. The people who don't go to college should be given military service or something, at least that way they're doing something and not hanging out on street corners mugging old grannies.[/QUOTE] [release]"The Education and Skills Act 2008 increased the minimum age at which young people in England can leave learning. This requires them to continue in education or training to the age of 17 from 2013 and to 18 from 2015. Young people will be able to choose whether to stay in full-time education, undertake work-based learning such as an Apprenticeship, or part-time education or training if they are employed, self-employed or volunteering for more than 20 hours per week."[/release] Of course, getting a job when you finish college is another matter. Or you can land yourself in £30k+ debt and go to uni, and then enjoy a whole new way of failing to get a job, only with added bitterness.
This is so fucking stupid. It sounds like they are literally planning to steal their childhood. Also, when will they learn for tests and shit? Whenever we had time at school we played CSS or something else that was fun. Do they really think pupils would rather learn at school with their friends than at home when they are alone and bored?
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063470]In England it goes like: Nursery/Reception<Primary School<Secondary School<College<University[/QUOTE] Oh right. Scotland goes Nursery>Primary>Secondary with the option to leave after your 4th year exams. People who do that usually go into full time work or go to college to learn a trade or something along those lines. You can, if you want, stay on for one or two more years of high school depending on what exam results you need to get into university. People very rarely do college and uni and if they do, it's usually to do the exams they missed by not doing their 5th and 6th year of high school.
[QUOTE=matt.ant;34063208]I think something that needs to be mentioned is that a lot of parents don't like the idea of their young child walking home in the dark, which it would be in winter[/QUOTE] Where I live, in Scotland, it gets dark around 3 in the winter.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;34063537][release]"The Education and Skills Act 2008 increased the minimum age at which young people in England can leave learning. This requires them to continue in education or training to the age of 17 from 2013 and to 18 from 2015. Young people will be able to choose whether to stay in full-time education, undertake work-based learning such as an Apprenticeship, or part-time education or training if they are employed, self-employed or volunteering for more than 20 hours per week."[/release] Of course, getting a job when you finish college is another matter. Or you can land yourself in £30k+ debt and go to uni, and then enjoy a whole new way of failing to get a job, only with added bitterness.[/QUOTE] Oh, I completely forgot about the Education and Skills Act 2008.
[QUOTE=Jobby;34063573]Oh right. Scotland goes Nursery>Primary>Secondary with the option to leave after your 4th year exams. People who do that usually go into full time work or go to college to learn a trade or something along those lines. You can, if you want, stay on for one or two more years of high school depending on what exam results you need to get into university. People very rarely do college and uni and if they do, it's usually to do the exams they missed by not doing their 5th and 6th year of high school.[/QUOTE] Hence if you live in England, but apply to a Scottish university, you generally have to do an extra year.
Maybe if they improve the whole fucking system and get teachers in who actually care about improving their teaching material instead of dragging kids along for the sake of grades, we wouldn't need longer days. The whole "no child left behind" bullshit is horribly flawed in every way. When someone like my old teacher is allowed to operate in education and fuck with the system so much as to force one of our GCSE options to be French for the sake of grades, I am literally sickened at how fucked up our education system is becoming.
I like stephen twigg, he was my local MP and always came into schools to talk to us, showed an interest in the area. I haven't seen the new guy, a tory, once. This is still not a good idea.
yes genius, give them an hour or two more at their horribly underfunded public schools that use outdated curriculum and poor teaching standards THAT will get them ready for the workforce!!!
Sounds pretty bad, I don't think there will be enough time for teachers to relax and learn new material to teach kids or even mark their uncountable numbers of tests in a year. Maybe they should make it mandatory to join an after school club if they want to extend school hours rather than just simply being longer for the sake of it - also remember the kids have to walk home, now they can walk home in the dark during winter what a load of shit.
doubt this would help then again Labour doesn't really have much of a say in things at the moment
Quantity over quality because actually fixing problems would be hard
"Kids hate being in school, they're doing absolutely terrible in classes" "...I got it!" "What?" "Make them stay LONGER!!!" "BRILLIANT!!!!"
Thank fuck i'm at university.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063121]College is much better, you're not legally obliged to be there so they don't have to care if you're not in.[/QUOTE] Then only the poor are obliged, good job thinking that through.
Sounds both good and bad to me. He says overhaul teaching students about computers which sounds good to me. [quote]"Pupils need to have an opportunity to understand the mechanisms and coding behind computer programmes".[/quote] At my school we only learn the basic subjects and whatever electives we choose, and none of that prepares us for working in the future. Maybe meet halfway with the students and work out what's best.
[QUOTE=MightyMax;34064219]"Kids hate being in school, they're doing absolutely terrible in classes" "...I got it!" "What?" "Make them stay LONGER!!!" "BRILLIANT!!!!"[/QUOTE] Wasn't there a recess episode about this?
For the first time in my life i agree with labour ... Us people in france have 4 more hours then they do >:(
The reason for this is because they teach people to pass exams, not actually prepare them for life/work.
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[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;34063027]I'm not sure about the UK but [b]nothing[/b] I learned in school prepared me for the work force.[/QUOTE] Well that simply isn't true. You learned a ton of stuff you just don't think about it because it's come naturally to you for the past X years.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;34063027]I'm not sure about the UK but nothing I learned in school prepared me for the work force.[/QUOTE] Ironically enough, the classes that people seem to get the most use out of, I included, like automotive technology, computer science, and practical shit like that are always the first ones they want to cut back on. [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MightyMax;34064219]"Kids hate being in school, they're doing absolutely terrible in classes" "...I got it!" "What?" "Make them stay LONGER!!!" "BRILLIANT!!!!"[/QUOTE] If they could make the work interesting kids might like being there and WANT to stay longer. Not all of them by any means, but quite a few I'm sure.
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