[QUOTE=SataniX;34065139]The reason for this is because they teach people to pass exams, not actually prepare them for life/work.[/QUOTE]
Isn't this why the teachers were boycotting SATS for 11 and 14 year olds
Does Britain have any decent political parties anymore? Conservatives are stuck in the 19th century, Lib Dem are lying fucks and Labour seems to be getting worse in general.
[QUOTE=Takuat;34065364]Does Britain have any decent political parties anymore? Conservatives are stuck in the 19th century, Lib Dem are lying fucks and Labour seems to be getting worse in general.[/QUOTE]
Time to start a new party, then.
Have education that has quality, not quantity.
Why is it that everyone in charge of education here is so braindead?
I mean, to begin with you basically have to be slow to get any kind of specialist schooling (which cuts people who are bright but not good with most schools out of the loop), and now they've apparently established the logic that being away from parents = not retarded.
It's bloody disgraceful is what it is.
Although there's a big problem with kids not being interested in learning, forcing them to sit down even longer is not at all the right way to do it. It'll just end up making them even more tired than they are currently, and they'll just want to see the end of the day even more. The correct way to do it is to make lessons more engaging.
they've been saying that shit like this is going to happen for the past 10 years
it's never going to happen
I went to a French in school in the UK and lessons would sometimes span from 8:25 till 6:10 pm, we'd have plenty of homework and did mock exams on saturday mornings nearly every fortnight.
It isn't that pressing and I still found lots of spare time, I think I benefited from the longer hours and generalist education and found in British university that my British educated peers lacked a lot of general knowledge which we've learnt in the extra time.
But that's just from my experience.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;34065408]Time to start a new party, then.[/QUOTE]
Your voting system would just punch this new party in the face.
[QUOTE=matt.ant;34062948]
"[B]A long hours culture has its drawbacks, but how many employers expect their workers to leave the office at 3.30pm?[/B]"[/QUOTE]
An employer who opens at 7:30am.
School is 8 hours. Work is 8 hours. Lunch breaks at schools are 20-30 minutes, lunch breaks at work are 30 minutes.
I don't see the problem here.
Also I used to work at a cabinet manufacturer and we started at 6am and left at 2:30. So there.
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;34065170]Small complaint, but I don't really think you should call Americans "yanks" not only because it sounds like an insult, but because North Koreans are told that they should put a bullet in the chest of all the "yankees" so it just sounds really dickish to anyone who knows that.[/QUOTE]
They ought to close down that baseball team then.
[QUOTE=chumchum;34065447]I went to a French in school in the UK and lessons would sometimes span from 8:25 till 6:10 pm, we'd have plenty of homework and did mock exams on saturday mornings nearly every fortnight.
It isn't that pressing and I still found lots of spare time, I think I benefited from the longer hours and generalist education and found in British university that my British educated peers lacked a lot of general knowledge which we've learnt in the extra time.
But that's just from my experience.[/QUOTE]
That's probably because you were raised on it, if people in the current schooling system were thrust into this sort of thing, they'd just be more tired and want to go home more after 3:20. I know I'd be like that.
Our whole school system is shit; it's not quite as bad as the American "no on left behind" attitude, but almost.
I am lucky enough to go to a selective state Grammar school, so I get the academic environment and strive that I want, and it got me 8A*s and 2As at GCSE.
But not everybody is academic; and that is where our schools fail us. Systems like the ones in Germany/Austria, with the school for different academic levels of students, with the least academic being helped into apprenticeships and work are what we need here.
cunts
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;34063027]I'm not sure about the UK but nothing I learned in school prepared me for the work force.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, basic math tends to come in handy on a daily basis, as well as learning to read.
It's been ages since I've had to calculate the surface area of a pyramid though.
[QUOTE=UrbanMachismo;34065545]An employer who opens at 7:30am.
School is 8 hours. Work is 8 hours. Lunch breaks at schools are 20-30 minutes, lunch breaks at work are 30 minutes.
I don't see the problem here.
Also I used to work at a cabinet manufacturer and we started at 6am and left at 2:30. So there.[/QUOTE]
Back when I was in Highschool we started at 9am and finished at 3:15, that isn't 8 hours.
I'm not saying I agree with the idea of kids being in School longer but right now it is shorter than work, at least where I was. A problem with work also is the travel time for most people these days is quite long, which makes the days even larger apart compared to School (and I was definitely never prepared for 13 hour days back in education, which was my first job after graduating).
Though I finished Highschool in 2004 so I'm a little out of date with UK Schools.
What we need in Schools, Colleges AND Universities is better quality not extra hours. Most graduates I know said their University was shit or below expectations, which is frustrating when you're paying for it.
To further elaborate on my previous point, the school day is too long as it is. The typical 7 hour day ensures that students are constantly going from class to class, making them more exhausted and unwilling to learn and take in information later in the day. Also, the large amount of classes squeezed in to the school day makes it more likely that the students will quickly forget what they have been taught in previous classes of the day, and adding on hours of extra classes will make the situation even worse.
In an ideal world schools would take register at 8am and finish by 12:30pm. This still allows 4 and a half hours of 'active' learning whilst the students are still awake and willing to learn and take in information. Classes would be in double periods, rather than the current single period system present in schools (Maths>English>Science>RE>Geography>Music for example), which would allow the children more lesson time in each subject and make it more likely for the students to retain information from earlier in the day or week.
The teaching sector of work is fucked as it is already, with teachers having to work extremely long hours both in and outside of school for relatively low pay, and also have recently had their pensions cut. By doing this it will ensure that teachers will be forced to work even longer hours, and will discourage even more people from becoming teachers.
[QUOTE=toaster468;34064878]Then only the poor are obliged, good job thinking that through.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand what you're saying.
I look at my post that you quoted and I can't make any sense of what you've said in relation to my post.
What the flying fuck I've already been doing after-school revision every day since I've come back, the Labour party can fuck off, and we already have something to prepare us for work, [B]work experience[/B] (albeit mine was shit and I ended up getting sacked by my bitch of a boss).
They need to improve on the hours we already go to school, not just give us more and say "fuck it they'll figure it out themselves".
[QUOTE=Nightsure;34066090]What the flying fuck I've already been doing after-school revision every day since I've come back, the Labour party can fuck off, and we already have something to prepare us for work, [B]work experience[/B] (albeit mine was shit and I ended up getting sacked by my bitch of a boss).[/QUOTE]
Congrats on actually managing to get fired on work experience.
I agree though, two week work experience placements actually offer much more insight and experience in to the world of work than school manages in 10 years.
As a pupil, I say for us all, fuck off, the days are long enough.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063133]Fine, they could be given public work schemes or something.[/QUOTE]
Right since forcing people to do is completely fine.
Oh wait that's a totalitarian/authoritarian goverment. But sure, if you'd like for us to become North Korea, by all means, do tell.
The dropout rate for highschools is pretty damn high these days. I can only see the rate going higher if the school days became longer.
[QUOTE=Kendra;34066209]Right since forcing people to do is completely fine.
Oh wait that's a totalitarian/authoritarian goverment. But sure, if you'd like for us to become North Korea, by all means, do tell.[/QUOTE]
At what people did I mention forcing them into such positions?
They'd be offered these placements, if they've refused all of them, they can do whatever they want.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063290]I know, but generally you find that a lot of the chav types are people who don't go to college.[/QUOTE]
You say that, you wouldn't any more if you looked at the students on my course.
so if their thinking about making the days longer, what about people who have a job in high school?
[QUOTE=Coffee;34066284]At what people did I mention forcing them into such positions?
They'd be offered these placements, if they've refused all of them, they can do whatever they want.[/QUOTE]
should be given military service =/= should be offered military service
The weird thing is that for the vast majority of problems like this we don't even need to do any thinking to solve it, just look at what other countries are doing and copy whoever has the best education system
wow
Generally involves "look north east a bit and copy".
Then we'd have a hell of a lot of improvement.
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