• Jury finds Dylann Roof Guilty On All Charges
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I like to look at it this way: A bullet in the brain, although satisfying for the victims, ends the suffering this asshole is near certainly to experience in prison instantly. On the otherhand, sticking him in a cell (or box) means he's going to get at the minimum around 60+ years of never seeing the outside world again and whatever else ye olde prison justice can cook up. [Sp] Bubba. Black church slaughter. Put 2 and 2 together.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Adamnetwork;51534804]He will spend life in prison. We have not executed anyone since 2011 due to the state being unable to acquire all three drugs that form the cocktail used in a lethal injection. Even if we got all the drugs needed he would spend over 30+ Years in jail due to the queue and how long it usually takes to execute anyone.[/QUOTE] Never understood why US must use lethal injection Why not just hanging? It works better than that.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51535105]So we agree that agent faze should seek help then.[/QUOTE] Since you're demonizing wanting someone dead, what makes it so much worse than your idea for justice, presumably locking him up until he is dead anyways? Does your demand for suffering place you above anyone who might think that he should just die? [QUOTE=Anti Christ;51535096]I guess I find it hard to differentiate between someone that wants 1 person dead, and someone that wanted 9 people dead. Sorry.[/QUOTE] If you can't differentiate between someone saying "this man should die because he has killed 9 people and is unfit for society" and someone actually killing 9 people then maybe you're the one that should be seeking help
Death penalty should only be reserved for terrorists/serial killers/mass murderers/and child molesters. Dylann Roof is a terrorist and a mass murderer so he hits my criteria.
Don't kill him, let him live with that on his conscience.
[QUOTE=shian;51535154]Never understood why US must use lethal injection Why not just hanging? It works better than that.[/QUOTE] Because hangings can fail to instantly kill someone and instead they choke to death which is pretty brutal. Firing squads can fail to instantly kill someone as well, and the electric chair failing is also something that can happen. Death penalty is pointless anyways, people never give practical reasons for it. It's always emotional reasons and petty revenge. Wanting him dead doesn't mean you're a bad person, it means you're irrational because you want to perform a pointless action. Once they get the life sentence, society is completely safe from them, no further action is required. Their death gives no benefits, instead we lose taxpayer money so we can make them die faster.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51535245]Don't kill him, let him live with that on his conscience.[/QUOTE] He doesn't care about the people he killed since he wanted to start a race war. Their deaths don't weight anything on him most likely.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51535245]Don't kill him, let him live with that on his conscience.[/QUOTE] To do something like this and laugh about it (and the police said he did during his interview), it's safe to say that he doesn't have one.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;51535246]Because hangings can fail to instantly kill someone and instead they choke to death which is pretty brutal. Firing squads can fail to instantly kill someone as well, and the electric chair failing is also something that can happen. Death penalty is pointless anyways, people never give practical reasons for it. It's always emotional reasons and petty revenge. Wanting him dead doesn't mean you're a bad person, it means you're irrational because you want to perform a pointless action. Once they get the life sentence, society is completely safe from them, no further action is required. Their death gives no benefits, instead we lose taxpayer money so we can make them die faster.[/QUOTE] So you think we should have let tim mcveigh fart around in a cell for the rest of his life? I sure as shit wouldn't want my taxpayer money going towards giving him a comfy bed.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;51535246]Because hangings can fail to instantly kill someone and instead they choke to death which is pretty brutal. Firing squads can fail to instantly kill someone as well, and the electric chair failing is also something that can happen. Death penalty is pointless anyways, people never give practical reasons for it. It's always emotional reasons and petty revenge. Wanting him dead doesn't mean you're a bad person, it means you're irrational because you want to perform a pointless action. Once they get the life sentence, society is completely safe from them, no further action is required. Their death gives no benefits, instead we lose taxpayer money so we can make them die faster.[/QUOTE] Okay, I know this is a far fetch idea, but think of it. Death eliminates any opportunity of the convict ever committing any crimes ever again, if it ever happen somehow they managed to escape prison/got rescued etc. and then go on doing more evil acts like this. I know that in US supermax prisons, no way in hell is anyone getting out, but really if they ever managed to escape like ted bundy (I know he got out of a courtroom during recess) then it kinda becomes a failure if shit goes south. [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] Of course, you run the risk of having him becoming a martyr, but if Osama was to be captured instead of killed in this context, you think America will give him life imprisonment?
death penalty wastes too much money, as a tax payer i dont want tons of costly court sessions and investigations and stupid expensive drugs that may or may not work when you can just throw him in a box for the rest of his life for cheaper besides if you really want revenge on the dude why would you want to give him the easy way out? that seems counter to your own goals tbh
[QUOTE=Govna;51535099]It's sad when people become that out of touch with reality.[/QUOTE] Hey, gotta output that zinger out somehow. It's the only way you can really feed their ego.
Honestly even though Roof is one of the worst human beings I can conceptualize and I despise him with every essence of my being, I still feel like rehabilitative justice would be best. I think that our horrible prisons and retributive justice system dont really do any good for anyone.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51535326]death penalty wastes too much money, as a tax payer i dont want tons of costly court sessions and investigations and stupid expensive drugs that may or may not work when you can just throw him in a box for the rest of his life for cheaper besides if you really want revenge on the dude why would you want to give him the easy way out? that seems counter to your own goals tbh[/QUOTE] I've always had the idea of possibly replacing the death penalty with a full lobotomy, would that be a better, it's technically a less death filled solution to the death penalty, you also pretty much pacify the person you lobotomized, you don't require any complex chemicals to preform it, it's easy enough to preform with a trained individual. Have we ever tried to do it, or am I thinking of lobotomy in the wrong way and it has the chance of not pacifying the person it's preformed on?
[QUOTE=jonu67;51535381]I've always had the idea of possibly replacing the death penalty with a full lobotomy, would that be a better, it's technically a less death filled solution to the death penalty, you also pretty much pacify the person you lobotomized. Have we ever tried to do it, or am I thinking of lobotomy in the wrong way and it has the chance of not pacifying the person it's preformed on?[/QUOTE] that's such an incredible human rights violation i'm not entirely sure where to start
[QUOTE=Judas;51535404]that's such an incredible human rights violation i'm not entirely sure where to start[/QUOTE] I mean, does that really matter, if you are going to execute the person [I]anyway,[/I] this solution at the very least prevents that death sort of.
[QUOTE=jonu67;51535433]I mean, does that really matter, if you are going to execute the person [I]anyway,[/I] this solution at the very least prevents that death sort of.[/QUOTE] whats worse, to lose your life or to be alive and lose all of your sense of self being reduced to an animal ill leave that one to the philosophers though
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;51535151]I like to look at it this way: A bullet in the brain, although satisfying for the victims, ends the suffering this asshole is near certainly to experience in prison instantly. On the otherhand, sticking him in a cell (or box) means he's going to get at the minimum around 60+ years of never seeing the outside world again and whatever else ye olde prison justice can cook up. [Sp] Bubba. Black church slaughter. Put 2 and 2 together.[/sp][/QUOTE] Why do you assume this mans death would bring satisfaction to the victims? Stop projecting your murder boner onto others.
[QUOTE=Pops;51535279]So you think we should have let tim mcveigh fart around in a cell for the rest of his life? I sure as shit wouldn't want my taxpayer money going towards giving him a comfy bed.[/QUOTE] This is the type of emotional argument I'm talking about, either way your taxes are getting used. Killing him still provides you no personal benefit and your taxes will continue to go into prisons to feed and house criminals of all varieties. [QUOTE=shian;51535308]Okay, I know this is a far fetch idea, but think of it. Death eliminates any opportunity of the convict ever committing any crimes ever again, if it ever happen somehow they managed to escape prison/got rescued etc. and then go on doing more evil acts like this. I know that in US supermax prisons, no way in hell is anyone getting out, but really if they ever managed to escape like ted bundy (I know he got out of a courtroom during recess) then it kinda becomes a failure if shit goes south. [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] Of course, you run the risk of having him becoming a martyr, but if Osama was to be captured instead of killed in this context, you think America will give him life imprisonment?[/QUOTE] That's a legitimate argument but it's so difficult and rare for someone to break out of a maximun security prison that we safely say it's not going to happen any time soon. Osama Bin Laden is a different situation because he was an active threat who heads a terrorist organization. Killing him as quick and immediatley as possible made it so lives would not be put at risk. If he was somehow captured safely, I think they'd probably send him to gitmo to get tortured. If they deicded not to do that, he probably would be given the death penalty, which I still disagree with in any possible situation where we have the criminal in custody, and probably die even earlier than that by getting shanked by inmates OR getting killed by the security who will most likely not treat him well at all.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51535439]whats worse, to lose your life or to be alive and lose all of your sense of self being reduced to an animal ill leave that one to the philosophers though[/QUOTE] Not sure, I've never done either before, but one is you being completely gone, the other allows you to live in some capacity, no longer a danger to the world. [editline]edit[/editline] This really should be the perfect medium for people who like the idea of executions, not a fan myself, but I like suggesting alternative options.
I still dont really get why taxpayer dollars are always the #1 concern in prisoner rights and what their fate ultimately entails. It all seems somewhat barbaric to me. You're probably paying pennies on the dollar for the entire justice system really, the amount of taxpayer dollars that go to the prison system is pretty small when compared to stuff like social security, the military, and healthcare as far as I know. Is it really that much of a concern that it invalidates human rights and a potentially better society at large?
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;51535449]This is the type of emotional argument I'm talking about, either way your taxes are getting used. Killing him still provides you no personal benefit and your taxes will continue to go into prisons to feed and house criminals of all varieties. That's a legitimate argument but it's so difficult and rare for someone to break out of a maximun security prison that we safely say it's not going to happen any time soon. Osama Bin Laden is a different situation because he was an active threat who heads a terrorist organization. Killing him as quick and immediatley as possible made it so lives would not be put at risk. If he was somehow captured safely, I think they'd probably send him to gitmo to get tortured. If they deicded not to do that, he probably would be given the death penalty, which I still disagree with in any possible situation where we have the criminal in custody, and probably die even earlier than that by getting shanked by inmates OR getting killed by the security who will most likely not treat him well at all.[/QUOTE] i guess you haven't heard of "kill one, save a thousand" before? for some people, a life sentence won't do jack shit. it also isn't a matter of personal benefit, it's for the greater good that some particular people are removed from society permanently. i don't mind my taxpayer money going to people who have a chance of being rehabilitated, but for a shitbag terrorist/mass murderer, the only option should be death. also, a massacre is statistically 10 deaths or more, roof killed 9 people. that being said, he should still get the same treatment.
[QUOTE=Judas;51535404]that's such an incredible human rights violation i'm not entirely sure where to start[/QUOTE] And killing people for a revenge fetish isn't violating every human's right to live? Because you seemed to enjoy defending that by saying people were putting themselves on a pedestal by not agreeing.
[QUOTE=Pops;51535504]i guess you haven't heard of "kill one, save a thousand" before? for some people, a life sentence won't do jack shit. i don't mind my taxpayer money going to people who have a chance of being rehabilitated, but for a shitbag terrorist, the only option should be death.[/QUOTE] The only option should be death for what logical reasons?
[QUOTE=Pops;51535504]i guess you haven't heard of "kill one, save a thousand" before? for some people, a life sentence won't do jack shit. i don't mind my taxpayer money going to people who have a chance of being rehabilitated, but for a shitbag terrorist, the only option should be death.[/QUOTE] I think it should be on a case-by-case basis really. Proper psychiatric evaluations and regular re-evaluations should be put into place to see if rehabilitation is feasible. I'm all for the Scandinavian style prison systems, unless people could present evidence as to why they might be struggling or failing in any sense.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;51535520]The only option should be death for what logical reasons?[/QUOTE] in the case of ksm or osama, they're terrorists, mass murderers and war criminals. you seriously think they should just rot away in a cell?
[QUOTE=Pops;51535529]in the case of ksm or osama, they're terrorists, mass murderers and war criminals. you seriously think they should just rot away in a cell?[/QUOTE] if its cheaper yeah
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51535534]if its cheaper yeah[/QUOTE] Again, is money really the only concern here?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51535534]if its cheaper yeah[/QUOTE] but is it cheaper? they could live up to 90 years old, as opposed to a firing squad, hanging or lethal injection. shit, there are plenty of people who would do it for free.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;51535078]I'm sorry but if you want someone dead, you have problems. End of. Roof has problems. Agent Faze has problems. They both need to be addressed.[/QUOTE] I'm legit curious where stables breeding such moral horses are.
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