• U.S. Triathlete Hunter Kemper Says God Healed Injury
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[QUOTE=Chrille;37136708]By which, of course, I mean that these people thought that fruits could contain knowledge as well as talking snakes. They are not metaphors, they are remnants of bronze age culture creation tales. They didn't know any better.[/QUOTE] Because metaphor was invented about 500 years ago.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;37136729]Because metaphor was invented about 500 years ago.[/QUOTE] That's not the point. There is no evidence that these are metaphors, and no reason to assume so. They are like every other creation tale ever made except they have survived to this day.
Jeez, why do you people care so much when religious people pray or thank god or whatever? Like ok cool he thanked god "hahaha what an idiot ! He doesn't believe in what I believe in he's so dumb!" I don't know why you people get so riled up over a simple comment.
It's not a stretch to assume that when people of the bronze age spoke of talking snakes and magic fruit, they actually meant talking snakes and magic fruit. This is also why the creation story involving Adam and Eve is believed to be one of the oldest in the Bible by scholars (and the other creation story with the separation of the heavens and the oceans to be younger). It has no literary purpose. It's a bunch of shit thought up by a generation of shamans based on their own limited knowledge of the world.
The biggest troll in the history of the universe. 'Knowledge creates duality, life creates unity' is the essential teaching.. And then immediately goes on into thousands of pages of assertations of truth, absolutely ridiculous stories, riddled with fallacies, contradictions and other such fables designed specifically to throw people off to see if they actually get it, or if they're just following the crowd. And it seems that's exactly what everyone has done.. To the point where buildings exist where people hit each-other on the head with bibles (lol) and go to the grave believing their dualistic ego (character they have built all their lives) is going with them.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37136801]The biggest troll in the history of the universe. 'Knowledge creates duality, life creates unity' is the essential teaching.. And then immediately goes on into thousands of pages of assertations of truth, absolutely ridiculous stories, riddled with fallacies, contradictions and other such fables designed specifically to throw people off to see if they actually get it, or if they're just following the crowd. And it seems that's exactly what everyone has done.[/QUOTE] You just said religion does not assert itself true.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;37136820]You just said religion does not assert itself true.[/QUOTE] I don't know who wrote the first pages of the bible, but whoever wrote that snippet about knowledge being the root of evil (and along with it good, AKA duality, separateness, opposites, yin-yang) had their eye on the ball.
I might be late, but had anyone considered that if the operation failed, who would the man blame? The doctors or God?
I don't even know why we are debating the meanings of religion and its usefulness in modern society. This news is about a man dumb enough to believe what healed him was not the hard word of qualified people, but the will of some superior entity he firmly believes in. There is having faith in a god and then there's just being thick.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;37137816]I might be late, but had anyone considered that if the operation failed, who would the man blame? The doctors or God?[/QUOTE] Pretty sure he would think that God intended it that way. Also we do not even know if the man thanked the doctors, the guy who wrote the article decided what to put in the article and what not.
So a man suffers a horrific and painful injury that could prevent him from ever getting to the Olympics again, but manages to recover both his body and spirit in time to participate in 2012. This would be a thrilling tale for everyone here, if not for the fact that he was religious. I don't think that he thinks God and God alone healed him.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;37137816]I might be late, but had anyone considered that if the operation failed, who would the man blame? The doctors or God?[/QUOTE] If bad things happen to you: God is testing my faith! If good things happen to you: PRAISE DA LORD!
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37135817]I disagree, you believe in science and stuff you learned in school right? Stuff that was taught to you in the same language that religion was taught to him. Language, words and meanings themselves also came from other people telling you about them. All beliefs? Very much so. How can 'original thought' or 'truth' (the opposite of belief) involve words, when the origin comes from other people? We can't validate anything for ourselves because it involves more words in order to do so, only pretend that we can.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously saying that because things were transmitted over words, they're invalid? I can't even begin to approach you on that. Also, no, not everything is equally valid, because scientific ideas can be proven.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37135970]I'm not arguing that I know or believe anything anymore, simply challenging you to question what you know, or rather what you think you know. "I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates.[/QUOTE] You're misusing the fuck out of this.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37136873]I don't know who wrote the first pages of the bible, but whoever wrote that snippet about knowledge being the root of evil (and along with it good, AKA duality, separateness, opposites, yin-yang) had their eye on the ball.[/QUOTE] IIRC it was mostly Moses who wrote the original book of Genesis, along with inclusions from Noah, Isaac etc. Moses (if he even existed) hallucinated a burning bush through the usage of Shrooms and Noah put 2 of every species on the planet into a big boat and sailed to victory like a viking. Neither of these people's eyes were on the ball, but rather, by the looks of things, on unregulated/untested substances and their consequent hallucinations.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37136873]I don't know who wrote the first pages of the bible, but whoever wrote that snippet about knowledge being the root of evil (and along with it good, AKA duality, separateness, opposites, yin-yang) had their eye on the ball.[/QUOTE] How? Knowledge, our ability to give things definitions that we can then share, discuss, agree or disagree, thus leading to new definitions and new ways to describe things, giving us the ability to be the only animal to raise out of the mud and dirt, and caves, and build what we have now is not bad. You couldn't have that idea without knowledge. Ignorance is bliss yes? I think i'll take my lifes suffering that's given me great insight and knowledge over being in bliss where everything is completely unknown to me and the world isn't understood. You're not smart for being this cynical, and you're not smart for quoting the most picked of all Socrates quotes. Socrates said this to people as a way of goading them, few people could explain things the way he could, and he goaded people with this saying. At the end of the day, he knew so much, and he knew that all of it was only established on other bits of knowledge, standing on shoulders that are standing on shoulders and so on, and so forth and that if there was a fatal flaw in this knowledge, it meant nothing, but that we must still exist and do our best to try and discover the world as he did, and to understand and be critical of our understanding so as to understand that better. What, you take a phil 101 class and now you think you're fucking smart?
Athletes like him thank god when they have a victory, but they never mention god when they lose
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;37141024]How? Knowledge, our ability to give things definitions that we can then share, discuss, agree or disagree, thus leading to new definitions and new ways to describe things, giving us the ability to be the only animal to raise out of the mud and dirt, and caves, and build what we have now is not bad. You couldn't have that idea without knowledge. [B]Ignorance is bliss yes? I think i'll take my lifes suffering that's given me great insight and knowledge over being in bliss where everything is completely unknown to me and the world isn't understood. [/B] You're not smart for being this cynical, and you're not smart for quoting the most picked of all Socrates quotes. Socrates said this to people as a way of goading them, few people could explain things the way he could, and he goaded people with this saying. At the end of the day, he knew so much, and he knew that all of it was only established on other bits of knowledge, standing on shoulders that are standing on shoulders and so on, and so forth and that if there was a fatal flaw in this knowledge, it meant nothing, but that we must still exist and do our best to try and discover the world as he did, and to understand and be critical of our understanding so as to understand that better. What, you take a phil 101 class and now you think you're fucking smart?[/QUOTE] Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness... give me truth. -Henry David Thoreau
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37135906]Think about it.. you go in as a kid, not knowing what anything is or what anything means. Teachers point at letters, you learn the alphabet, you learn to read and you learn to identify objects. That's what makes the letter 'S' what we identify it as, or a bottle sitting on your desk. Remove context and what is there? A squiggly shape and some shaped plastic. Whoops! I just described it using more words. See how this just runs in circles? Peel back the layers of stuff taught to you by other people, and what's left? Undiluted reality where nothing is apart from anything else. Whoops! I just described it using more words. If it's truth you're after, wake up and smell the coffee.[/QUOTE] you're boring me to death
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;37135698]Well if he was healed by doctors and he's giving god credit I'm more inclined to think he's thick.[/QUOTE] I thought people thought of it like it was fate or someshit, not outright divine intervention. Like someone saves you, and you are thankful to god that you were fated to be saved by this person. That was always my take on it v:v:v
Shouldn't Zeus be the one to heal him? He is a olympian [editline]9th August 2012[/editline] Shame god couldn't heal his stupid name
He underwent fairly major surgery and by the sounds of it, nobody was sure if he would recover in time for the Olympics. There's only so much doctors can do, the body has to sort itself out. If he'd said that he was lucky that his arm was ready in time, nobody would have cared. Good old facepunch, one mention of thanking God and people start assuming that he prays instead of training and doesn't thank the doctors. I do sometimes feel that a lot of people see their own way of thinking is the only correct way, whilst criticising people for doing the same thing. I kind of see what SCopE is talking about, but he's saying it in a weird way. He means that even when we make our own minds up about things, we're still subconsciously relying on something somebody told us. It's hard to put into words because he's talking about the way you think [i]about the way you think[/i]. It's a bit existential and pointless, though IMO.
maybe we should just accept that some people believe in god instead of passively-aggressively whining on an obscure web forum over their clear deficiency of atheist fiber
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;37136094]This man, on one hand, believes that he knows something, while not knowing [anything]. On the other hand, I – equally ignorant – do not believe [that I know anything]. [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7b-ewi9NrMw/TXeAdG7yljI/AAAAAAAACo0/uUs7zs2FMr8/s1600/platosCave%2Bcopy.jpg[/img] If all you ever saw was the shadows on the wall, you would believe that to be reality. It would not make it reality.[/QUOTE] You know what's funny? Once you really understand what that represents, you realize that not only would it not matter that your reality wasn't all there is if you were a prisoner, but also that you can play that game into infinity and make every new revelation of some new layer of reality irrelevant. Fact is, we're quite aware nowadays that our senses don't cover all of reality. You don't need to point that out. [editline]10th August 2012[/editline] People like you are the definition of pseudo-intellectuals, guys who think they're smarter than everyone else or have access to some new layer of reality just because they understand the cave equation.
Just let the fucker believe whatever the fuck he wants to believe. I can almost see the grins of self-satisfaction that some of you get from discussing this shit from across my screen.
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