Article 50 could be triggered in January or February
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[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51067359]How the fuck are people agreeing with this post? This guy literally just strawmanned Hexpunk, used a completely ridiculous example that doesn't happen at all in the UK, and then went on to act smug and condescending while calling out other for doing the exact same thing.[/QUOTE]
SH in general seems to be moving further and further to the right.
It's good to see that the UK is finally on it's way to true independence. May Scotland secede and Wales return to the seas.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51067359]How the fuck are people agreeing with this post? This guy literally just strawmanned Hexpunk, used a completely ridiculous example that doesn't happen at all in the UK, and then went on to act smug and condescending while calling out other for doing the exact same thing.[/QUOTE]
But it does happen in most of Europe, right? Also, how do you know it doesn't happen in the UK? Some communities have been taken over in the extreme by roving gangs of muslims in the past, and have shariah courts(For marriage counseling or something??). It is an issue, maybe not up to the scale they exaggerate it to be, but I rarely hear of anything ever being done to stop it(Other than banning burkas, which is the antithesis of free speech).
To believe that a nation that once had an empire cant thrive on its own is potattas.
[QUOTE=space1;51068194]It's good to see that the UK is finally on it's way to true independence. May Scotland secede and Wales return to the seas.
But it does happen in most of Europe, right? Also, how do you know it doesn't happen in the UK? Some communities have been taken over in the extreme by roving gangs of muslims in the past, and have shariah courts(For marriage counseling or something??). It is an issue, maybe not up to the scale they exaggerate it to be, but I rarely hear of anything ever being done to stop it(Other than banning burkas, which is the antithesis of free speech).[/QUOTE]
Haha true independence. Brexit is awful for this country and this isolationist attitude people are developing needs to stop. We go from being part of a wider community to a shitty little island no one wants to deal with yay for "independence".
I just find it hilarious how people from US think going away from EU is indenpendence.
It's like US would out of the blue say any kind of trade agreement is suddenly awful and idiotic.
[QUOTE=Wazbat;51067686]Well, fuck. I hope I get to finish my education here it doesn't end till June/July though.
Idk if to tax Spanish nationality or what. I think I'm able to via naturalization[/QUOTE]
This is what gets me the most about Brexit, the Leave lot seem to completely ignore the millions of UK citizens living in the EU and the EU citizens living in the UK, perhaps under EU education or work systems, whose lives under completely under suspension now. Frankly, if you think that's ok I think you don't deserve a vote. Like there are kids who were born in the UK whose parents were living in the UK under the EU rules.
You want to know why I'm condescending and rude to Leavers? It's because I think they're stupid at best and vindictive at worst.
[QUOTE=space1;51068194]It's good to see that the UK is finally on it's way to true independence. May Scotland secede and Wales return to the seas.[/QUOTE]
if what's happening is independence, i'm wanting to leave this country
Apparently the month has not been officially confirmed.
Strangely it seems like gamesmanship is at play here.
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/theresa-may-rejects-claims-by-donald-tusk-that-article-50-to-be-triggered-in-february-a7314601.html[/url]
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;51070180]Apparently the month has not been officially confirmed.
Strangely it seems like gamesmanship is at play here.
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/theresa-may-rejects-claims-by-donald-tusk-that-article-50-to-be-triggered-in-february-a7314601.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Seems like the government wants to delay for as long as possible because they know they have no bargaining position.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51070279]Seems like the government wants to delay for as long as possible because they know they have no bargaining position.[/QUOTE]
my own little unsubstantiated theory is that May is going to try to delay the triggering until the next general election rolls around and try to use that as her parties platform to secure another term
worst part is, it'd probably work
[QUOTE=space1;51068194]IBut it does happen in most of Europe, right? Also, how do you know it doesn't happen in the UK? Some communities have been taken over in the extreme by roving gangs of muslims in the past, and have shariah courts(For marriage counseling or something??). It is an issue, maybe not up to the scale they exaggerate it to be, but I rarely hear of anything ever being done to stop it(Other than banning burkas, which is the antithesis of free speech).[/QUOTE]
omg wtf
dude where the fuck are you getting these news
jesus christ this is just something else
He might be crazy but Sharia Courts should absolutely be outlawed. I don't know how you can have a group of people in a first world country going "We don't like the law here, so we're going to ignore it and make our own". That sets a dangerous precedent as well, that they don't have to follow UK law in their communities, that they can enforce their own laws. I'd hope that if that was happening here, we'd have the real courts striking them down, maybe even charge them with kidnapping, impersonation, etc since they have no authority to be taking people and putting them on trial. We have problems with Sovereign Citizens but as far as I know they don't set up their own communities with their own courts.
[QUOTE=space1;51068194]It's good to see that the UK is finally on it's way to true independence. May Scotland secede and Wales return to the seas.
But it does happen in most of Europe, right? Also, how do you know it doesn't happen in the UK? Some communities have been taken over in the extreme by roving gangs of muslims in the past, and have shariah courts(For marriage counseling or something??). It is an issue, maybe not up to the scale they exaggerate it to be, but I rarely hear of anything ever being done to stop it(Other than banning burkas, which is the antithesis of free speech).[/QUOTE]
Having lived in the UK for the past 3 years I can confirm that my neighbourhood was indeed invaded by a horde of Muslims yelling and waving their scimitars. They imposed shariah law on all of us, forced the men to grow beards, and made the women wear burkas. Those who didn't were violently beheaded in the town square. It was awful. Thank God Farage brought the UK out of that horrific mess and expelled all the dirty towelheads, I hope Trump wins so that he can do that before the same fate befalls the US.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51070624]Having lived in the UK for the past 3 years I can confirm that my neighbourhood was indeed invaded by a horde of Muslims yelling and waving their scimitars. They imposed shariah law on all of us, forced the men to grow beards, and made the women wear burkas. Those who didn't were violently beheaded in the town square. It was awful. Thank God Farage brought the UK out of that horrific mess and expelled all the dirty towelheads, I hope Trump wins so that he can do that before the same fate befalls the US.[/QUOTE]
Why be sarcastic? Sharia courts are sadly a reality in the UK. You don't need to be a hard right Ukipper to be against them.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51065552]Ok then, tell me what actual positive effects Brexit had besides fucking over most of the Britons and sending a shockwave through the world economy when the news came out?
Let me put it in simple terms: a lot of industries, colleges, and government institutions were being funded by EU money. What happens when they no longer have that money to use? downsizing and closure of those institutions, which in turn leads to layoffs and lost jobs.[/QUOTE]
[I]Technically[/I] Britain could [I]in theory[/I] finance them themselves, but considering they'd likely have to pay accession fees to stay in the EEU, I wonder if they'd have more or less money they could allocate for that than before. They might also just put it elsewhere and blame an outside party again :v:
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[QUOTE=hexpunK;51065452]so literally "feels before reals".
Boy, no wonder the political landscape of the country is so fucking dire right now. People aren't willing to actually research anything and base their decisions on what's going on. Instead opting to listen to "pete from work" about how immigrants are taking all the jobs or whatever.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11251624/Where-are-the-immigrants-This-map-will-tell-you.html[/url]
The northern counties are currently some of the lowest migrant populations in the country. With only the largest cities having densities higher than 10% of foreign born nationals living and working there. If anyone in the country had grounds to complain about migrants taking their jobs or whatever, it'd be those living in the Greater London area, which has densities over 50% in a few districts.[/QUOTE]
The afd over here does something very similar.
An important official of that party is on record saying that facts didn't matter and that 'felt reality' was more important.
If that was the case, we certainly would be living in a very different world than this one :v:
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51068472]Haha true independence. Brexit is awful for this country and this isolationist attitude people are developing needs to stop. We go from being part of a wider community to a shitty little island no one wants to deal with yay for "independence".[/QUOTE]
When America did it, weren't they still a major power who kicked Mexico and Spain's ass?
[QUOTE=SpartanApples;51070675]Why be sarcastic? Sharia courts are sadly a reality in the UK. You don't need to be a hard right Ukipper to be against them.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely no legislation in the EU has given Sharia courts any actual jurisdiction. They dictate over community and civil manners in a similar way to how Catholic priests offer penance over a mortal sin, and if they do anything that puts them above the law then they're committing a crime. The problem lies with how these abuses of power tend to occur in secluded Muslim communities that are unwilling to report to the authorities.
The solution is ultimately to try and integrate these Muslim communities with the rest of the country but there's significant barriers to that that need to be overcome, Article 50 does nothing to ameliorate the situation.
[QUOTE=space1;51070747]When America did it, weren't they still a major power who kicked Mexico and Spain's ass?[/QUOTE]
:what:
[QUOTE=space1;51070747]When America did it, weren't they still a major power who kicked Mexico and Spain's ass?[/QUOTE]
Are you being serious right now.
I'm literally baffled, there are so many things wrong with this I don't know what to type as a response.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51070792]Are you being serious right now.
I'm literally baffled, there are so many things wrong with this I don't know what to type as a response.[/QUOTE]
think he's secretly competing with Blizzerd to see who can make the most outer space posts
[QUOTE=space1;51070747]When America did it, weren't they still a major power who kicked Mexico and Spain's ass?[/QUOTE]
Lmao of course you're comparing the American War of Independence with the UK triggering Article 50. I don't think you get how the UK literally cannot become independent from Europe because they are dependent on the bloc in so many ways they cannot function entirely on their own. This attempt at "independence" actually [I]reduces[/I] how much of a say the UK public has on their future as they will have to abide by EU regulations to have access to the single market [I]without having a vote in the European Parliament[/I], that is if they even manage to get that deal, which seems unlikely because the EU has more to gain from not giving the UK shit.
[QUOTE=space1;51068194]
But it does happen in most of Europe, right? Also, how do you know it doesn't happen in the UK?[B] Some communities have been taken over in the extreme by roving gangs of muslims in the past,[/B] and have shariah courts(For marriage counseling or something??). It is an issue, maybe not up to the scale they exaggerate it to be, but I rarely hear of anything ever being done to stop it(Other than banning burkas, which is the antithesis of free speech).[/QUOTE]
dude, I promise you, that is completely over the top and simply untrue, like wow.
its good to see that you admit to being unsure about the topic instead of pretending to be a "know it all genius." anyways, the reason why you don't hear much "action" being taken is because:
A. the problems that need "addressing" are hilariously exaggerated or just untrue to start with
B. complex social problems do not have easy, convenient solutions.
[QUOTE=space1;51070747]When America did it, weren't they still a major power who kicked Mexico and Spain's ass?[/QUOTE]
america got independence because half of the european countries declared war on britain, and britain didn't think that a long and bloody war over some colonies that gave little benefit to them was worth fighting over.
plus the new colonies went on to form a government that was pretty hypocritical and repeated the same tyrannies anyways considering what it lambasted the british government for
[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;51070785]:what:[/QUOTE]
Have an isolationist view of politics I mean.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish–American_War[/URL] Only got involved because one of our warships was mysteriously sunken.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican–American_War[/URL] Where the people of Texas literally seceded from Mexico, demanded to join the US, and forced their hand.
Now, I don't necessarily agree with the reasons for going to war here, particularly for the Mexican-American war, but this both establishes the United States as isolationist, and a major power relative to it's region at the time.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51070867]america got independence because half of the european countries declared war on britain, and britain didn't think that a long and bloody war over some colonies that gave little benefit to them was worth fighting over.
plus the new colonies went on to form a government that was pretty hypocritical and repeated the same tyrannies anyways considering what it lambasted the british government for[/QUOTE]
Your point? This has almost nothing to do with what I'm saying. Independence is the first step, not the end goal. Getting the best government, on the other hand, is near impossible.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;51070759]Absolutely no legislation in the EU has given Sharia courts any actual jurisdiction. They dictate over community and civil manners in a similar way to how Catholic priests offer penance over a mortal sin, and if they do anything that puts them above the law then they're committing a crime. The problem lies with how these abuses of power tend to occur in secluded Muslim communities that are unwilling to report to the authorities.
The solution is ultimately to try and integrate these Muslim communities with the rest of the country but there's significant barriers to that that need to be overcome, Article 50 does nothing to ameliorate the situation.[/QUOTE]
While this is all true, in no way did hexpunk get "strawmanned" as tornado ap had pointed out, and none of what I was saying really had to do with Brexit. The point of leaving the EU was to gain more financial legislation freedom and to prevent them from having to finance an EU army which may or may not be in the works. It's also more of a symbolic gesture rather than one motivated by necessity, as this does cause some instability in the EU.
[QUOTE=space1;51071036]Your point? This has almost nothing to do with what I'm saying. Independence is the first step, not the end goal. Getting the best government, on the other hand, is near impossible.[/QUOTE]
the point is that just like americas founding fathers, the leave campaign is made up of hypocrites and liars
and much like the early american government after independence, the british government is doing its best to introduce policies that the voters who voted leave didn't want in the first place
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51071064]the point is that just like americas founding fathers, the leave campaign is made up of hypocrites and liars
and much like the early american government after independence, the british government is doing its best to introduce policies that the voters who voted leave didn't want in the first place[/QUOTE]
I have always believed that the UK's own government has been more of an issue than the EU, but it was necessary to leave the EU to prevent another NATO. Every political science major, or anyone with any political education/insight at all would know it's a paper tiger that has failed in it's aims.
[QUOTE=space1;51071036]Have an isolationist view of politics I mean.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish–American_War[/URL] Only got involved because one of our warships was mysteriously sunken.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican–American_War[/URL] Where the people of Texas literally seceded from Mexico, demanded to join the US, and forced their hand.
Now, I don't necessarily agree with the reasons for going to war here, particularly for the Mexican-American war, but this both establishes the United States as isolationist, and a major power relative to it's region at the time.
Your point? This has almost nothing to do with what I'm saying. Independence is the first step, not the end goal. Getting the best government, on the other hand, is near impossible.[/QUOTE]
i mean, north korea is also isolationist. cutting oneself off from the world isn't the silver bullet, one stop trip to success you think it is.
and please for fucks sake stop bringing up america as a symbol of "how 2 do independunce" because the UK =/= America. America has almost five times the UK's population. America actually has a heavy industry sector, ours evaporated. America is rich in natural resources. The UK, by contrast, isn't. and America gained independence through war and bloodshed. the UK had a haphazard, shoddy, poor excuse of a referendum which was dominated by lies and falsehoods. not warfare.
[QUOTE=space1;51071076]I have always believed that the UK's own government has been more of an issue than the EU, but it was necessary to leave the EU to prevent another NATO. Every political science major, or anyone with any political education/insight at all would know it's a paper tiger that has failed in it's aims.[/QUOTE]
how do you mean failed
how do you mean prevent another NATO
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51065552]Ok then, tell me what actual positive effects Brexit had besides fucking over most of the Britons and sending a shockwave through the world economy when the news came out?
Let me put it in simple terms: a lot of industries, colleges, and government institutions were being funded by EU money. What happens when they no longer have that money to use? downsizing and closure of those institutions, which in turn leads to layoffs and lost jobs.[/QUOTE]
BUBUBUT WE STUCK IT TO THE BIG BAD DIDNT WE FELLAS
[QUOTE=space1;51071076]I have always believed that the UK's own government has been more of an issue than the EU, but it was necessary to leave the EU to prevent another NATO. [B]Every political science major, or anyone with any political education/insight at all would know it's a paper tiger that has failed in it's aims.[/B][/QUOTE]
Explain.
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