NATO troops allegedly kill Afghan president's cousin
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[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28527089]By western you mean American because we all know that America is the only country that invaded Afghanistan and the only country that kills civilians.
Obviously because all Americans are bloodthirsty monsters that should be wiped off the planet.[/QUOTE]
dude fuckin kill urself
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[QUOTE=Mingebox;28527502]Oops.[/QUOTE]
i laughed because i pictured a guy up in a helicopter saying this sarcastically
I have a severe urge to make a that's just fuckin NATO joke but I bet it's played out.
It's a bit hopeless to discuss about any war crimes in the middle east here because of americans immediately taking direct offense.
Oh please.
I love how no one actually bothers to read the article and just hops onto the "americans r skum killin civiies erryday" bandwagon immediately.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;28540599]I love how no one actually bothers to read the article and just hops onto the "americans r skum killin civiies erryday" bandwagon immediately.[/QUOTE]
Americans should stop if they don't want people to dislike it.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28540775]Americans should stop if they don't want people to dislike it.[/QUOTE]
What are you Trotsky's alt?
Americans aren't the only ones operating in Afghanistan. Collateral damage is almost entirely a guarantee with any large scale conflict, yeah it sucks but trying to paint a nation as civilian killers is stupid.
Also: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/09/afghanistan-insurgents-civilian-victims[/url]
That's 75% of all civilian deaths in 2010, at the hands of the Taliban. But you won't ever hear that statistic tossed around, it's sooo much more juicy to have civilian deaths at the hands of NATO.
Stop with your persecution complex. THE OH SO PERSECUTED NATO wahhh
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I'm so sick of hearing this argument that Collateral damage is justified because it's to be expected. Even though every fucking time a story comes out of collateral damage. there's some bullshit to follow it.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28541475]Stop with your persecution complex. THE OH SO PERSECUTED NATO wahhh
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I'm so sick of hearing this argument that Collateral damage is justified because it's to be expected. Even though every fucking time a story comes out of collateral damage. there's some bullshit to follow it.[/QUOTE]
What do you think should happen then - NATO should pull all its forces out of Afghanistan?
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28541561]What do you think should happen then - NATO should pull all its forces out of Afghanistan?[/QUOTE]
I don't know.
Honestly, I don't know. The US fucked the country it up, if they leave the country is fucked, if they stay, I doubt any real progress will happen.
The situation is a cluster fuck of stupidity.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28541475]Stop with your persecution complex. THE OH SO PERSECUTED NATO wahhh
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I'm so sick of hearing this argument that Collateral damage is justified because it's to be expected. Even though every fucking time a story comes out of collateral damage. there's some bullshit to follow it.[/QUOTE]
Persecution complex? Now who's throwing around the strawman arguments?
I never said or implied anything of the kind. All I'm pointing out is that your attempts to paint Americans as purposefully setting out to kill civilians is retarded.
The media doesn't tend to publish stories about Taliban wiping out villages, because again, it's expected, and doesn't cause controversy the way a story about NATO troops killing civilians does.
And I never said collateral damage is justified, nor do I think it is, so stop putting words in my mouth and go suck a dick tia.
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[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28541561]What do you think should happen then - NATO should pull all its forces out of Afghanistan?[/QUOTE]
The situation is kind of fucked at the moment. If all NATO forces pull out at the moment, the Taliban will return to power in no time.
If they stay, with a few more years experience the ANA will be able to slowly take over and be capable of handling their own problems within the country. As it stands, the ANA's capability is next to nothing, and it's still rife with Taliban informants. But this also means a few more years of bloodshed, so it's a very fucked situation all around.
So you're implying the media supports the Taliban? If not, why even bring it up?
American soldiers HAVE purposely killed civilians. And this shit isn't just one thing that happened and never happened again. It happens constantly. And I'm not even arguing that they purposly kill civilians. But how negligent and uncaring they are. The NATO Apache killing the 9 children, the OTHER Apache murdering a family, several people and two journalists, etc.
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The US military in itself is a corrupt institution.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28542179]So you're implying the media supports the Taliban? If not, why even bring it up?
American soldiers HAVE purposely killed civilians. And this shit isn't just one thing that happened and never happened again. It happens constantly. And I'm not even arguing that they purposly kill civilians. But how negligent and uncaring they are. The NATO Apache killing the 9 children, the OTHER Apache murdering a family, several people and two journalists, etc.
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The US military in itself is a corrupt institution.[/QUOTE]
1. Prove it happens constantly and deliberately.
2. Prove the US military is a corrupt institution.
I bet you can't prove either.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28542236]1. Prove it happens constantly and deliberately.
2. Prove the US military is a corrupt institution.
I bet you can't prove either.[/QUOTE]
Implying I have statistics that follow these events deliberately. As opposed to the fact they pop up all the fucking time.
And you seriously are denying the Military is corrupt? So Iraq, military cover-ups of incidents like the Iraqi Apache massacre, the rape and murder of Jamie Lee Jones and its subsequent cover-up. Not to mention the countless sexual abuse cases of both female soldiers and civilians. The inherent lack of morals when recruiting soldiers, including white supremacists who say they want to kill as many brown people as they can (which I find funny that gay people are banned from the military but not White supremacists.) The hand in hand relationship with the Northern Alliance. The bloated defence budget which A: shows the corrupt relationship with the Military and Private Contractors and B: the wasteful spending in the defence industry.
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I'm sure there's about 6 trillion more incriminating examples I can pull out. Iraq alone covers hundreds of individual and large ones.
The point is that no one receives any punishment. Not even the few ones that kill civilians on PURPOSE.
On a certain wikileaks document a tape was shown captured from a NATO helicopter heat camera showing the helicopter crew gunning down a wounded taliban dude after a random passer by had pulled over his van with two clearly visible kids inside and tried to help him. The NATO soldiers then state "Their fault bringing kids into battle".
Nothing is ever investigated, no one is ever tried. Sometimes it's just attempted to simply "cover up".
Do these men who pulled the trigger on the kids, their father and a wounded enemy not deserve punishment?
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28542355]Implying I have statistics that follow these events deliberately. As opposed to the fact they pop up all the fucking time.
And you seriously are denying the Military is corrupt? So Iraq, military cover-ups of incidents like the Iraqi Apache massacre, the rape and murder of Jamie Lee Jones and its subsequent cover-up. Not to mention the countless sexual abuse cases of both female soldiers and civilians. The inherent lack of morals when recruiting soldiers, including white supremacists who say they want to kill as many brown people as they can (which I find funny that gay people are banned from the military but not White supremacists.) The hand in hand relationship with the Northern Alliance. The bloated defence budget which A: shows the corrupt relationship with the Military and Private Contractors and B: the wasteful spending in the defence industry.
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I'm sure there's about 6 trillion more incriminating examples I can pull out. Iraq alone covers hundreds of individual and large ones.[/QUOTE]
So you've got nothing apart from a few isolated crimes and accidents, the actions of a few minority groups, a law soon to be repealed and the defence budget, which doesn't remotely prove the corruption of the military. All of this given the mammoth size of the US military establishment - you may as well argue New York and its population are also corrupt, given the various violent and horrible crimes which occur. Tl;dr, you're going to have to do better than that.
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28542179]So you're implying the media supports the Taliban? If not, why even bring it up?
American soldiers HAVE purposely killed civilians. And this shit isn't just one thing that happened and never happened again. It happens constantly. And I'm not even arguing that they purposly kill civilians. But how negligent and uncaring they are. The NATO Apache killing the 9 children, the OTHER Apache murdering a family, several people and two journalists, etc.
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The US military in itself is a corrupt institution.[/QUOTE]
Wowowow.
I'm implying that media in general is sensationalistic and will always prefer to give stories that generate controversy and attention over stories that the public will take for granted. "talibans are bad dudes, rape women and kill children" everyone goes yeah we already fucking knew that, "americans kill kid" everyone goes ape shit.
And yes there have been cases of American soldiers purposefully killing civilians, you are talking about a fucking HUGE entity filled with people from all sorts of backgrounds, it is a damn guarantee you are going to have a few bad eggs in there doing terrible stuff. There's also been cases of British troops doing terrible stuff intentionally, but I don't see you upping for your witch hunt on them.
But trying to say the US Military as a whole is intentionally setting out to kill civilians is flat out wrong.
And as far as unintentional casualties go, you act as if it's only the Americans. The 3 largest nations contributing to the war effort in A-stan are the US, the UK and Germany. There about another 25 nations contributing in smaller amounts.
The US military is fine damnit. It's just that the rotten eggs never get picked out of the basket and squashed.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28542443]So you've got nothing apart from a few isolated crimes and accidents, the actions of a few minority groups, a law soon to be repealed and the defence budget, which doesn't remotely prove the corruption of the military. All of this given the mammoth size of the US military establishment - you may as well argue New York and its population are also corrupt, given the various violent and horrible crimes which occur. Tl;dr, you're going to have to do better than that.[/QUOTE]
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I gave like 15 pretty fucking huge corrupt examples that lie at the top of the military command.
That's not a 'few isolated crimes' or accidents. lol
Flavor you ain't doing no favors to this debate.
[QUOTE=Falchion;28542436]The point is that no one receives any punishment. Not even the few ones that kill civilians on PURPOSE.
On a certain wikileaks document a tape was shown captured from a NATO helicopter heat camera showing the helicopter crew gunning down a wounded taliban dude after a random passer by had pulled over his van with two clearly visible kids inside and tried to help him. The NATO soldiers then state "Their fault bringing kids into battle".
Nothing is ever investigated, no one is ever tried. Sometimes it's just attempted to simply "cover up".
Do these men who pulled the trigger on the kids, their father and a wounded enemy not deserve punishment?[/QUOTE]
While I do believe cover ups are not something that should be done, I do not believe that the pilots willfully and purposely fired upon the news crew and van believing their were kids in that van and that they were unarmed news crew instead of Taliban. I have heard from a few places and people that some of the audio on that video was faked, but I don't put much stock in it regardless.
I think this was another video man. They had tracked down and interviewed the family of the victims (Because 2 kids actually survived). I don't think there was a news crew in this one.
wow
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;28527089]By western you mean American because we all know that America is the only country that invaded Afghanistan and the only country that kills civilians.
Obviously because all Americans are bloodthirsty monsters that should be wiped off the planet.[/QUOTE]
Are you that retarded or something
I'm cool with Americans shooting civilians.
It's not like im there.
[QUOTE=W0w00t;28534821]not to mention alot of civilians die from their OWN stubbornness
ex: not leaving their homes before a big operation even after tons of leaflets are dropped[/QUOTE]
Ehh... what if they don't have anywhere to go?
What if that small shack is the most important thing they have?
Nothing to see here, just another apologist.
nato = north american terrorist organisation
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