• Government threatens bakery for refusing to bake cake for lesbian wedding
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[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41921780]the comments section pretty much provides a list of people I would never wish to come in contact with.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling a good number of them are the kind of people that live in my town. Last year while me and some others were hanging out on the porch listening to music and talking, a middle-aged man walking by told us that rock music was satanic and we should stop listening to it.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;41921832]Maybe we don't know the whole story but so far it just seems like it's a bunch of people who don't want to bake a cake for gays. I'm not really sure where the line can be drawn for this. On one hand gay marriage is against their faith but on the other hand can a faith really be used to justify refusing service to someone?[/QUOTE] If it involved 2 gaping vaginas with rainbows coming out of it, we would know because it's a heavy conservative bias source that would do anything to make gays look bad.
Honestly the couple is more than likely protected under discrimination, under the story we've been given. The bakery should not be allowed to say "we don't bake cakes for LGBT". That would be discrimination. They can, however, say that they're not going to bake cakes for an LGBT person that's being rude, disruptive, or otherwise warrants not being served. They should also be able to say things like "we're not going to bake a cake with dicks drawn all over it". Not to the point that they can say "we're not baking wedding cakes with two male names/two female names/rainbows"
[QUOTE=Liem;41921727]So I clicked the source. [T]http://i.cubeupload.com/MCJZfg.png[/t][/QUOTE] They also shoved it smack in the middle of the article too. [T]http://i.imgur.com/EKqsg8L.png[/t]
Good. I hate this idea that businesses of any kind should be given some special privilege to do whatever they want or discriminate against whoever they want. I hate this notion of "business rights". Its an idiotic notion that gives them carte blanche to just do anything to feel like and treat people however they want and it shouldn't be considered acceptable in any world.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;41921663]Don't shop owners have the right to refuse business to anyone?[/QUOTE] Surely that depends on their reasoning. "Being homosexual" is not a good reason
The law does not give the shop owners the right to distinguish between heterosexual and homosexual weddings. If the shop owners have ever offered wedding cakes as a service, they are required to offer them to anyone, regardless of their views on the validity of the marriage. Don't confuse the situation with refusing service to a homosexual person, though. If the customer had walked in, told the shop owners she was gay, then asked for a [B]birthday[/B] cake, the situation may have been different. It's entirely possible that, while they might not refuse service to a gay person based solely on the person's sexual orientation, they may feel that a wedding between two women does not constitute a wedding (which is exactly what they say). The source I heard the story from said that the shop owners even offered to redirect the woman to a store that would gladly fill her order, but that they didn't feel comfortable doing it themselves. If I ever own a shop, I hope the state government grants me the authority to make judgement calls based on my own convictions.
Sure they're assholes, but private companies should have the right to refuse business.
gee why didn't the couple go to a different bakery then if the bakery is not going to serve them, the best way to stick the finger up at that bakery is to boycott it and go to a competitor instead. might as well take advantage of the market economy.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;41922252]gee why didn't the couple go to a different bakery then if the bakery is not going to serve them, the best way to stick the finger up at that bakery is to boycott it and go to a competitor instead. might as well take advantage of the market economy.[/QUOTE]Because discrimination should not be allowed to go unchecked in any way or manifest itself in any form.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;41922311]Because discrimination should not be allowed to go unchecked in any way or manifest itself in any form.[/QUOTE] Then a good portion of the internet should be shut down.
I'd just go to a different bakery It's their store, and as long as they were polite about it (which the article says they were) I see no reason why it needs to become a legal matter
you shouldn't have the right to refuse service to someone based on their race or religion or sexuality or gender or anything like that so this bakery can get fucked [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mellowbloom;41922358]I'd just go to a different bakery It's their store, and as long as they were polite about it (which the article says they were) I see no reason why it needs to become a legal matter[/QUOTE] how can you be polite about refusing to serve someone just because they're lesbians?
[QUOTE=areolop;41921766]Let me play devils advocate here and say that you walked into a muslim-ran butcher and asked for a nice pork chop. Them refusing to give you a porkchop would be the same situation here, no?[/QUOTE] ...No, because I'm pretty sure the reason for them not serving you a pork chop is because they don't supply it. [editline]21st August 2013[/editline] I'm pretty sure the right to refuse business comes down to if the client is being irrational or a general ass. I highly doubt whoever put that in place did it thinking "it's their business, they can be however as bigoted as they want."
another quality article from mrconservative
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;41921663]Don't shop owners have the right to refuse business to anyone?[/QUOTE] I think they do but only on the grounds that it's actually going to threaten their business. You can't refuse business on the grounds of racism or hatred in general, afaik.
this article makes me mad. the owners of the bakery said no based on their beliefs, and instead of respecting those beliefs these entitled assholes virtually ruin the families life. jesus christ, just find another bakery
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;41921663]Don't shop owners have the right to refuse business to anyone?[/QUOTE] did you not show up to class on the days they were teaching about the civil rights movement
would this have the same reaction if they refused a cake for a paedophiles wedding?
[QUOTE=Stroma;41922834]would this have the same reaction if they refused a cake for a pedophiles wedding?[/QUOTE] speechless
[QUOTE=Stroma;41922799]this article makes me mad. the owners of the bakery said no based on their beliefs, and instead of respecting those beliefs these entitled assholes virtually ruin the families life. jesus christ, just find another bakery[/QUOTE] what's to respect about refusing service to someone based on their sexuality? [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Stroma;41922834]would this have the same reaction if they refused a cake for a paedophiles wedding?[/QUOTE] lol what a classic comparison
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;41922852]what's to respect about refusing service to someone based on their sexuality? [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] lol what a classic comparison[/QUOTE] i compared it to pedophiles wedding because they're both sexual preferences.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;41922898]Child marriage is illegal. I made this post in case you need to be reminded.[/QUOTE] as is gay marriage in the state the bakery is [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Oregon]The U.S. state of Oregon does not recognize same-sex marriage.[/URL], your point?
[QUOTE=Stroma;41922868]i compared it to pedophiles wedding because they're both sexual preferences.[/QUOTE] It's still a shitty comparison, how is two consenting male adults getting married the same as (I assume this is what you mean by a pedophile wedding) somebody marrying a child who doesn't know any better? And pedophilia is illegal and obviously immoral (you don't need a bible to conform that) so I don't know where you're coming from. By giving cakes to homosexuals they're not supporting their lifestyle or helping the summoning of satan, they're just giving them cakes. You can dislike or think that being homosexual is sinful, that doesn't mean you're allowed to treat them like their lesser-humans.
[QUOTE=Stroma;41922868]i compared it to pedophiles wedding because they're both sexual preferences.[/QUOTE] no you compared it because you want to demonize gays don't even try to twist it another way. what if the bakery refused to bake a cake for a jewish couple because their beliefs state that jews are inferior humans and don't deserve cake? or blacks for the same reason? respecting bigoted beliefs is just the same as endorsing them
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;41922944]And pedophilia is illegal and obviously immoral [/QUOTE] how is paedophilia any less moral than same sex couples? much like 'moral' sex, not all acts of paedophilia are acts of rape.
[QUOTE=Stroma;41922980]how is paedophilia any less moral than same sex couples? much like 'moral' sex, not all acts of paedophilia are acts of rape.[/QUOTE] wait what so you've gone from comparison to paedophilia to justification of paedophilia
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;41923000]I'm done oh my god. We got trolled guys.[/QUOTE] i'm not trolling [editline]22nd August 2013[/editline] you're just running from the question because you can't answer it
[QUOTE=Stroma;41922916]as is gay marriage in the state the bakery is [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Oregon]The U.S. state of Oregon does not recognize same-sex marriage.[/URL], your point?[/QUOTE] Same sex Marriage is federally recognized now. Remember, y'know, that whole supreme court thing.
[QUOTE=areolop;41921667]where has "the right to refuse service" gone. If its a private bakery.. I dont see any reason they have to bake this cake. Unless Oregon thinks that a bakery is a public accommodation.[/QUOTE] Imagine living in a heavily conservative area, as a lesbian couple, in a small town. You'd starve to death if you only had local business to get food from. Walmart won't refuse you ofcourse, but not everyone lives somewhere with a chain market. Most people do, but not everyone. I'm not into the government forcing people to accept eachother, but the government ensuring everyone survives and makes sure discrimination doesn't fuck over the freedom and livelihood of the individual is fine by me.
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